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3 Tablets Daily posted:How is it a war crime to seize and destroy the assets of criminals? The guy was convicted of murder. i know you are very dumb but collective punishment is a war crime.
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Dec 18, 2018 01:55
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But it was his home that they demolished.
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Dec 18, 2018 01:57
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Destroying his home serves only to punish his family and community.
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Dec 18, 2018 02:00
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Destroying his home serves only to punish his family and community. But couldn't you make the same argument against seizing the assets of American gangsters? I think most people would agree that seizing the assets of gangsters is a necessary tool in the fight against organized crime.
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Dec 18, 2018 02:02
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after all, there might have been rubber tubing in that house
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Dec 18, 2018 02:06
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3 Tablets Daily posted:But couldn't you make the same argument against seizing the assets of American gangsters? I think most people would agree that seizing the assets of gangsters is a necessary tool in the fight against organized crime. You're a huge idiot if you think seizing the assets of criminals is anything similar to this.
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Dec 18, 2018 02:06
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Also you pulling this poo poo on a topic where people are actually dying is in very bad taste.
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Dec 18, 2018 02:09
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But it is. The guy murdered an Israeli, and was found guilty by an Israeli court.
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Dec 18, 2018 02:09
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his family wasn’t.
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Dec 18, 2018 02:09
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His family wasn't sent to jail. They were living in the home of a convicted criminal who had his assets seized. Bad luck for them, but the state has the right to take away your things if you're going to throw slabs of marble onto its soldiers from the top of a building. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Dec 18, 2018 02:15
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that’s not how asset seizure works in criminal law.
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Dec 18, 2018 02:17
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3 Tablets Daily posted:How is it a war crime to seize and destroy the assets of criminals? The guy was convicted of murder. No, he wasn't. He was arrested and charged (by a military court) with murder, but has yet to face trial. I'd love to see their proof, given that the death happened in the middle of a loving riot in a refugee camp, and that none of the dead person's squadmates saw who threw the rock. It's a military court, though, a kangaroo court run by Army officers with a 99% conviction rate. So even if he goes to trial, it's not a fair or legitimate one.
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Dec 18, 2018 02:38
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3 Tablets Daily posted:How is it a war crime to seize and destroy the assets of criminals? The guy was convicted of murder. So punishing the entire family? Like the hanging in "The Sixth Sense?" This, in the end, will make things worse for Israel.
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Dec 18, 2018 02:59
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3 Tablets Daily status: extremely not mad.
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Dec 18, 2018 03:53
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i really wish i could tell for sure which lunatics are trolls and which are genuinely passionate israeli citizens suffering from some kind of syndrome that makes them chronically online
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Dec 18, 2018 04:07
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I was thinking troll but spending $10 on that incredibly mad avatar is a whole new level.
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Dec 18, 2018 04:09
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it breaks my heart to see a thread full of smug little men of chub greedily awaiting the downfall of israel and the mass abasement of our poor family once more before the lord. we are so gentle and we have been hurt so badly already. i understand your glee but it still breaks my heart. oh jerusalem, jerusalem
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Dec 18, 2018 04:22
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Lightning Knight posted:3 Tablets Daily status: extremely not mad. now now, there's always the possibility it's someone else upset at the suggestion israel is not granted the g-dlike power to decree the sins of the father pass on to the closest building it's convenient to blow up
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Dec 18, 2018 04:35
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Irony Be My Shield posted:I was thinking troll but spending $10 on that incredibly mad avatar is a whole new level. on a mod who can change it back at will, no less
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Dec 18, 2018 04:45
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3 Tablets Daily posted:But couldn't you make the same argument against seizing the assets of American gangsters? I think most people would agree that seizing the assets of gangsters is a necessary tool in the fight against organized crime. I personally believe RICO, asset forfeiture before conviction, is a violation of due process and the constitution. The Fifth Amendment says to the federal government that no one shall be "deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law." The Fourteenth Amendment, ratified in 1868, uses the same eleven words, called the Due Process Clause, to describe a legal obligation of all states.
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Dec 18, 2018 06:33
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VideoGameVet posted:I personally believe RICO, asset forfeiture before conviction, is a violation of due process and the constitution. Agreed, the US just needs to make it official and grant Israel representation in Congress.
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Dec 18, 2018 07:49
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VideoGameVet posted:I personally believe RICO, asset forfeiture before conviction, rico is not asset forfeiture before conviction it almost always involves asset forfeiture before conviction, because you're rolling up the leadership of a criminal organization, but they're separate things (asset forfeiture in its current form is bad and quite possibly unconstitutional, mind)
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Dec 18, 2018 08:42
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The important thing here is that the home demolitions are not based on or tied to any kind of legal action. There is no requirement that the target be convicted of a crime or even being charged with one. It's an military action, not a legal action, and is routinely used against people who have not been convicted of any crime.
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Dec 18, 2018 08:59
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Main Paineframe posted:The important thing here is that the home demolitions are not based on or tied to any kind of legal action. There is no requirement that the target be convicted of a crime or even being charged with one. It's an military action, not a legal action, and is routinely used against people who have not been convicted of any crime. I actually forgot what thread I was in.  Yeah, the home demolitions in Palestine are goddamn nutso, including the one we just had an insane rear end in a top hat argue.
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Dec 18, 2018 09:05
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Every demolition is approved by the supreme court. Make of it what you will.
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Dec 18, 2018 09:45
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Every demolition is approved by the supreme court. The institutions of an apartheid state have no value, their decisions no merit, their people no worth.
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Dec 18, 2018 10:55
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Orange Devil posted:The institutions of an apartheid state have no value, their decisions no merit, their people no worth. I'll let them know that you feel that way.
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Dec 18, 2018 11:17
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3 Tablets Daily posted:But it is. The guy murdered an Israeli, and was found guilty by an Israeli court. Would you accept the verdict of a Hamas court that found an Israeli soldier guilty of murdering a Hamas member, and therefore decided it was fair punishment to destroy the Israeli soldier's family home?
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Dec 18, 2018 12:04
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Cat Mattress posted:Would you accept the verdict of a Hamas court that found an Israeli soldier guilty of murdering a Hamas member, and therefore decided it was fair punishment to destroy the Israeli soldier's family home? Hamas doesn't do that though. They don't do war crimes or murder children at comparable rates at all.
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Dec 18, 2018 15:59
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Cat Mattress posted:Would you accept the verdict of a Hamas court that found an Israeli soldier guilty of murdering a Hamas member, and therefore decided it was fair punishment to destroy the Israeli soldier's family home? This is hilarious. Imagine if people ascribed this much agency to a people being genocided anywhere else. Why didn't the Jews just find the Germans guilty from their concentration camps and destroy their homes? Oh yeah.
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Dec 18, 2018 16:02
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I'm preeetty sure he's dunking on the guy who says war crimes are cool if the colonialist courts say they are.
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Dec 18, 2018 16:13
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i just woke up and am clearly reverse sundowning
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Dec 18, 2018 16:14
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Every demolition is approved by the supreme court. Not directly. The demolitions themselves are a military administrative action that doesn't go before any judge. The targets have a short window to appeal, and can appeal it to the High Court...which generally holds that the demolition is a military administrative action with no particular ties to the legal process, and that they'll defer to the judgement of the military. For example: quote:The Hamid family asked the court to nullify the IDF’s demolition order because their son had not yet been convicted of killing Lubarsky, while arguing that demolishing the entire building would cause disproportionate harm to the other occupants who were not involved in the attack. The family also argued that the IDF only moved to demolish the entire building at the urging of the Lubarsky family.
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Dec 18, 2018 17:49
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I bet all those kids whose homes got demolished for no reason are gonna grow up just loving Israel.
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Dec 18, 2018 17:52
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The need for a constant supply of angry Palestinians is a security consideration.
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Dec 18, 2018 17:56
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Marxist-Jezzinist posted:The need for a constant supply of angry Palestinians is a security consideration. After all, without enemies Israel won't be able to justify asking for lots of military aid.
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Dec 18, 2018 18:02
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GreyjoyBastard posted:rico is not asset forfeiture before conviction Thank you for the clarification. Yes, I agree that "asset forfeiture before conviction" is unconstitutional. That was what I was trying to say.
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Dec 18, 2018 18:11
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Irony Be My Shield posted:I bet all those kids whose homes got demolished for no reason are gonna grow up just loving Israel. That's the thing I don't understand. Supposedly Netanyahu has this really high IQ. If true why can't he figure that out? There was a simulation game where you went after terrorists but the collateral damage spawned even more terrorists. That's what this feels like.
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Dec 18, 2018 18:16
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VideoGameVet posted:That's the thing I don't understand. Supposedly Netanyahu has this really high IQ. If true why can't he figure that out? what country are you from, that you do not have an example in your home politics of how the right wing views having a minority threat to fearmonger about as a state of affairs to be maintained- and if possible, exacerbated- by whatever means necessary?
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VideoGameVet posted:That's the thing I don't understand. Supposedly Netanyahu has this really high IQ. If true why can't he figure that out?
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