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Data Graham posted:Seems a little weird to me that a federal judge would be among these people No one gives a poo poo about what Flynn did and he won't see any consequences
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Antifa don't tend to show up and protest criminals who have already been caught and are cooperating with investigators into 2018 Hitler. There's not much fascist about the justice system working correctly for a change.
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Dec 18, 2018 19:24
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Man, I was kind of hoping that they'd go through with it and the Judge would say "and yes, this meets the constitutional definition of actual for real-treason, jail forever", because that would be incredible.
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Dec 18, 2018 19:25
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Your Taint posted:You know it's bad when even Fox News is like "he's probably already hosed." Andrew Napolitano is a real lawyer.
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Dec 18, 2018 19:25
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:You think there's any part of his brain that's aware of the irony or do you think he's like Trump where he's completely compartmentalized it and decided that it's not real? You don't make it as far as he did in that kind of double-life if you have any capacity for self-awareness....
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Dec 18, 2018 19:27
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Toobly posted:you spelled "diet coke" wrong Someone has clearly never had a 7/11 coke slushie! Now it comes in Diet because of that peak American physique!
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Dec 18, 2018 19:27
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WoodrowSkillson posted:No one gives a poo poo about what Flynn did and he won't see any consequences Are you posting from the same universe as us? Why all of the nearly identical, cartoonishly despairing posts from a bunch of people all of a sudden? Was Flynn's case featured on a major podcast and everyone needed to run in and drop the freshest nothing matters take? e: oh wait they're almost all you, never mind! Quorum fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Dec 18, 2018 |
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Dec 18, 2018 19:28
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Quorum posted:Are you posting from the same universe as us? Why all of the nearly identical, cartoonishly despairing posts from a bunch of people all of a sudden? Was Flynn's case featured on a major podcast and everyone needed to run in and drop the freshest nothing matters take? They posted the same stuff about Manafort too and he is rotting forever in prison.
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Dec 18, 2018 19:29
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Quorum posted:Are you posting from the same universe as us? Why all of the nearly identical, cartoonishly despairing posts from a bunch of people all of a sudden? Was Flynn's case featured on a major podcast and everyone needed to run in and drop the freshest nothing matters take? If things start mattering a lot of people's worldview will to have to shift dramatically
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Dec 18, 2018 19:29
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friendbot2000 posted:Someone has clearly never had a 7/11 coke slushie! Now it comes in Diet because of that peak American physique! Trump did 7/11
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WoodrowSkillson posted:No one gives a poo poo about what Flynn did and he won't see any consequences Yeah that's why he's still National Security Advisor, and also why attendance at his 2024 inauguration will be mandatory
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Quorum posted:Are you posting from the same universe as us? Why all of the nearly identical, cartoonishly despairing posts from a bunch of people all of a sudden? Was Flynn's case featured on a major podcast and everyone needed to run in and drop the freshest nothing matters take? It's funny seeing exactly how the consequences of Mueller's investigation will play out. a bunch of stern words and very serious faces as no actual consequences are handed out past a few fall guys, namely Manafort and Cohen whose actual consequences stem from loving over and pissing off other rich guys.
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Dec 18, 2018 19:30
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Sounds a lot like the judge saying “go spend the holiday with your kids, you won’t next year”
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Dec 18, 2018 19:32
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:You think there's any part of his brain that's aware of the irony or do you think he's like Trump where he's completely compartmentalized it and decided that it's not real? There's no way he thinks he did anything wrong. That's the problem with these motherfuckers, their barometer for what is okay is broken. The ethical line is always one step beyond what they've done, no matter how many steps forward they take.
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Dec 18, 2018 19:32
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WoodrowSkillson posted:It's funny seeing exactly how the consequences of Mueller's investigation will play out. a bunch of stern words and very serious faces as no actual consequences are handed out past a few fall guys, namely Manafort and Cohen whose actual consequences stem from loving over and pissing off other rich guys. Uh-huh. And the dissolution of the Trump Foundation?
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Dec 18, 2018 19:33
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Random Stranger posted:For anyone who needs to know the exact legal definition of treason from the US constitution: I believe Flynn's taking money from Turkey and, because of that money, pushing for the delay of the attack on ISIS qualifies. It's giving aid and comfort to ISIS. The only questionable part is that he's giving aid and comfort to ISIS as part of assisting Turkey which is not an enemy, and you can argue that makes it not treason.
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Dec 18, 2018 19:33
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WoodrowSkillson posted:It's funny seeing exactly how the consequences of Mueller's investigation will play out. a bunch of stern words and very serious faces as no actual consequences are handed out past a few fall guys, namely Manafort and Cohen whose actual consequences stem from loving over and pissing off other rich guys. you can't even make your  take coherent at this point lolcohen and manafort and flynn and gates are nothing but coffee boys right
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Dec 18, 2018 19:33
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I'm generally a part of the "nothing matters" crowd, but I fully believe that Flynn will go to prison. It's good that all of these people around Trump are going to jail. However, the goal is Trump. Trump himself needs to held accountable, Trump needs to get locked up, in order for the country to recover. If Trump and his family live out the rest of their days rich and free, then we failed.
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Dec 18, 2018 19:34
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friendbot2000 posted:Uh-huh. And the dissolution of the Trump Foundation? If a foundation is dissolved by government action do you have to pay your debts accrued through it?
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Dec 18, 2018 19:34
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friendbot2000 posted:Uh-huh. And the dissolution of the Trump Foundation? Truly brutal that in the end the Trumps won't be on the boards of NYC based companies and might have to pay a whopping 2.8 million dollars. Oh man we sure got them this time. And that assumes they also lose everything in the subsequent part of the lawsuit.
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Dec 18, 2018 19:35
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WoodrowSkillson posted:It's funny seeing exactly how the consequences of Mueller's investigation will play out. a bunch of stern words and very serious faces as no actual consequences are handed out past a few fall guys, namely Manafort and Cohen whose actual consequences stem from loving over and pissing off other rich guys. I didn't realize that Individual-1 had a SA account. Or are you SHS?
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Dec 18, 2018 19:36
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WoodrowSkillson posted:It's funny seeing exactly how the consequences of Mueller's investigation will play out. a bunch of stern words and very serious faces as no actual consequences are handed out past a few fall guys, namely Manafort and Cohen whose actual consequences stem from loving over and pissing off other rich guys. al capone went to jail for tax evasion too the thing about financial crimes is they're great because you just can't argue with the numbers and people who are crooks tend also to be financial crooks, so when you can throw manafort in jail for the rest of his life on financial crimes you take that opportunity
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Dec 18, 2018 19:37
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WoodrowSkillson posted:Truly brutal that in the end the Trumps won't be on the boards of NYC based companies and might have to pay a whopping 2.8 million dollars. Oh man we sure got them this time. And that assumes they also lose everything subsequent part of the lawsuit. Please, don't pretend you're not enjoying the schadenfraude at least a little.
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Dec 18, 2018 19:37
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Crows Turn Off posted:I'm generally a part of the "nothing matters" crowd, but I fully believe that Flynn will go to prison. It's good that all of these people around Trump are going to jail. He's going to throw his unlimited money at legal defense until his body quits on him He will die before he sees justice, after living a life of unparalleled luxury and being recorded as one of the most influential people in modern history My great hope is that his kids rot in jail cells
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If he's been holding out like this, I can't help but think it must be something actually really loving big that he's been desperately trying not to give up, and now is like oh gently caress I'm gonna go to jail forever wait stop ok I'll talk
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WoodrowSkillson posted:Truly brutal that in the end the Trump's won't be on the boards of NYC based companies and might have to pay a whopping 2.8 million dollars. Oh man we sure got them this time. It is remarkable how you are able to just write off the government going after their personal piggy bank as nothing matters in addition to ALL the other investigations into Trump and his family. It is almost a chud-like disassociation from reality. Not quite the same, but equally annoying.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:Truly brutal that in the end the Trumps won't be on the boards of NYC based companies and might have to pay a whopping 2.8 million dollars. Oh man we sure got them this time. And that assumes they also lose everything subsequent part of the lawsuit. It's funny seeing exactly how the consequences of WoodrowSkillson's posting career will play out. a bunch of nothing matters and very smug posts as consequences rain down one by one, each of them with a post hoc justification about how it doesn't count this time
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WoodrowSkillson posted:No one gives a poo poo about what Flynn did and he won't see any consequences Reality proves otherwise
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empty whippet box posted:If he's been holding out like this, I can't help but think it must be something actually really loving big that he's been desperately trying not to give up, and now is like oh gently caress I'm gonna go to jail forever wait stop ok I'll talk if Mueller thought Flynn was holding out on anything he wouldn't be recommending no jail time what happened here is Flynn massively hosed up with his "i was entrapped" letter, and the judge was prepared to throw the book at him, and Flynn is hoping he cools off in three months
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That's treason Donnie!
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empty whippet box posted:If he's been holding out like this, I can't help but think it must be something actually really loving big that he's been desperately trying not to give up, and now is like oh gently caress I'm gonna go to jail forever wait stop ok I'll talk I'd like to think that but the reality is probably just lawyers stalling for time and praying Trump gives a Christmas pardon. What do they have to lose?
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Not a Children posted:He's going to throw his unlimited money at legal defense until his body quits on him  I can't help but feel that there might be a flaw in your claim.
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Dec 18, 2018 19:41
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mod sassinator posted:I'd like to think that but the reality is probably just lawyers stalling for time and praying Trump gives a Christmas pardon. What do they have to lose? Flynn's goal was to secure access back into the wingnut welfare circuit. He didn't need a pardon, because he wasn't going to get jail time until he tried that stunt.
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mod sassinator posted:I'd like to think that but the reality is probably just lawyers stalling for time and praying Trump gives a Christmas pardon. What do they have to lose? I hope he does. It will just be another indictable offense on Donnie's Jacket because he has repeatedly waded into the fray with his dumb tweets. Then the House can subpoena Flynn and he can do nothing about it.
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Dec 18, 2018 19:42
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Eh, I lean most of the time (well generally do think that things Matter, but I don't think Trump is ever going to be walked out of the White House in chains by Mueller) but Flynn is hosed and taking down the Trump Foundation is a fairly strong blow. Take your victories when you get them.
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Dec 18, 2018 19:43
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evilweasel posted:Flynn's goal was to secure access back into the wingnut welfare circuit. He didn't need a pardon, because he wasn't going to get jail time until he tried that stunt. lmao the wingnut crowd is shifting so loving fast from "JUDGE SULLIVAN WILL THROW OUT THE CASE AND CHARGE THE FBI WITH CRIMES" to "JUDGE SULLIVAN IS A DEMOCRAT" https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status/1075096786996527105
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CuddleCryptid posted:Reclassification as a "vital service" in 3...2...1... Just FYI - classification as "essential" basically just means a person is working on credit. Paychecks will only go out once a budget is passed authorizing the spending.
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Dec 18, 2018 19:46
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Feldegast42 posted:Eh, I lean I basically agree; legally speaking Trump is going to suffer a death of a thousand cuts, and so each one is worth savoring. The weirdo hashtag resistance people who retweet Mensch and the people insisting nothing will ever matter actually overlap in that they both conceive of the investigation as a movie which either will, or will not, have one final climactic scene where Mueller says "HOW DARE YOU, SIR" and everyone claps. If only reality were more accommodating of our need for instant gratification and high drama.
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Shifty Pony posted:Just FYI - classification as "essential" basically just means a person is working on credit. Paychecks will only go out once a budget is passed authorizing the spending. Yeah, doesn't 'essential' mean they get thrown in jail if they refuse to work for free until the budget is approved?
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eke out posted:lmao the wingnut crowd is shifting so loving fast from "JUDGE SULLIVAN WILL THROW OUT THE CASE AND CHARGE THE FBI WITH CRIMES" to "JUDGE SULLIVAN IS A DEMOCRAT" Flynn: i did these crimes This guy: that's false how do you deal with someone who believes another person is lying when that person says they did it in open court
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