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Fritz Coldcockin posted:The base determines who wins primaries and therefore has the Senate Republican caucus by the balls. They can make life very unpleasant for Mitch McConnell if he dares to cross God-Emperor Peepants, and they will never, ever, ever, EVER view any ousting of Trump as anything other than a terrible betrayal. Why does this matter?
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Generally people have no trouble understanding that if I do a drive by shooting on someone else's house and then their relatives do one on mine, my kids didn't "have it coming" but my evil actions absolutely provoked the evil response and it's not victim-blaming to say that I share responsibility for what happened and if I want to commit drive by shootings then having shootings committed against me is the expected consequence. But replace "me" with "our government and our glorious military" and suddenly people go absolutely stupid and insist that anyone mentioning the connection between us bombing the poo poo out of other countries and invading them and terrorizing them and supporting tyrannical dictatorships who will lease oil fields and military bases to us in exchange for weapons to use against their own people, and those people committing terrorist attacks here must be "blaming the victims". Really though they don't care about the victims since they're just fine with more terrorist attacks happening as long as our awesome military is overseas kicking rear end and taking gas.
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:Why does this matter? because the number of republican politicians who will put the future of their party above their own personal political survival can be counted on the fingers of one foot
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Dec 19, 2018 18:36
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Pence has been present everywhere with Trump and goes to pentagon meetings and receives intelligence briefings so that when Trump is gone (or wanted gone) the GOP can point to Pence as an icon of calm stability, doing what was necessary when the trump wouldn't. quietly tending the garden while trump stomps around in it and cleaning up his messes. they'll be tons of accounts of pence holding the reins not speaking up to preserve the office for future presidents, pointing to trump's departure (however it happens) as being evidence that "the system works" it's not loving rocket science of course the GOP would ask that you politely forget this 
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Dec 19, 2018 18:36
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Wark Say posted:Maybe I'm misinterpreting you here (and if I am, apologies), but are you telling us that, irregardless of Trump leaving the presidency with his hands uncuffed (I know I know, very unlikely), that it's very much likely that his companies/endeavors/gravy trains are all going to get turbo-hosed once he's out of #1600 Pennsylvania Avenue? yeah he's committed crimes in New York for decades and any AG who is interested in a political career in New York (which is every single one) is gonna be ecstatic at the possibility of turbofucking him for all those crimes i think they'll go after trump org before he's even out of office
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:The base determines who wins primaries and therefore has the Senate Republican caucus by the balls. They can make life very unpleasant for Mitch McConnell if he dares to cross God-Emperor Peepants, and they will never, ever, ever, EVER view any ousting of Trump as anything other than a terrible betrayal. Says who? Why should we accept this received truth that trump is good at everything and is a 4D savant chess master who always wins? What if he's just bad at this?
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Dec 19, 2018 18:38
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:Why does this matter? You assume that just because "they will always vote Republican" means "they will always vote for incumbent Republicans". This isn't the case, and the Republican caucus in the Senate has a yellow streak a mile wide. They will calculate that no matter how awful Trump is, the wrath of his minions is way, way worse. Owlofcreamcheese posted:Says who? Why should we accept this received truth that trump is good at everything and is a 4D savant chess master who always wins? What if he's just bad at this? I never said he was, because he doesn't need to be in order to have a devoted base of Neanderthal chuds who will do whatever he tells them. Please point me to where I said that Trump was a political genius of any kind. Fritz Coldcockin fucked around with this message at 18:40 on Dec 19, 2018 |
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I'd seen a few tweets on this and thought it was Trump's new policy of denying asylum to people who crossed the Mexican border. It's not: it's overturning Jeff Sessions' attempt to bar anyone fleeing gang violence or domestic violence from getting asylum. It's a huge deal, much bigger than I though - it is a given that the policy denying aslyum to people who crossed the Mexican border will not be upheld, but gutting this racism elf decision now that he's gone is something I wasn't expecting: https://twitter.com/AliceOllstein/status/1075437418260652033
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Dec 19, 2018 18:39
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evilweasel posted:yeah he's committed crimes in New York for decades and any AG who is interested in a political career in New York (which is every single one) is gonna be ecstatic at the possibility of turbofucking him for all those crimes take out the president of the United States take care of the subway it's embarrassing which one is easier
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if you primary Trump, who would even be on the GOP ticket? Resident ghoul Tom Cotton? Dan Crenshaw? As slim as the Dem options are, the GOP possibilities are loving dire.
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evilweasel posted:yeah he's committed crimes in New York for decades and any AG who is interested in a political career in New York (which is every single one) is gonna be ecstatic at the possibility of turbofucking him for all those crimes
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FlamingLiberal posted:It’s already started, right? I believe there are a few investigations yep and the current AG all but ran on a "lock him up" platform
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:You assume that just because "they will always vote Republican" means "they will always vote for incumbent Republicans". This isn't the case, and the Republican caucus in the Senate has a yellow streak a mile wide. They will calculate that no matter how awful Trump is, the wrath of his minions is way, way worse Oh for sure, they are going to run and vote Dem DLC Inc posted:if you primary Trump, who would even be on the GOP ticket? Resident ghoul Tom Cotton? Dan Crenshaw? As slim as the Dem options are, the GOP possibilities are loving dire. Their primary was ridiculously overstuffed in 2016. But I guess THE BASE won't vote for any of them and are't going to vote for Republicans so
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Says who? Why should we accept this received truth that trump is good at everything and is a 4D savant chess master who always wins? What if he's just bad at this? Even if he is the rest of the GOP is worse, they're not beating him because they suck not because he's great
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VitalSigns posted:Generally people have no trouble understanding that if I do a drive by shooting on someone else's house and then their relatives do one on mine, my kids didn't "have it coming" but my evil actions absolutely provoked the evil response and it's not victim-blaming to say that I share responsibility for what happened and if I want to commit drive by shootings then having shootings committed against me is the expected consequence. Gin and Tacos had an interesting article the other day about how left-wing foreign policy is sortof collectively bad. http://www.ginandtacos.com/2018/12/18/all-greek/ I don't entirely agree with him but I think that the left does need to do a better job of speaking up and articulating exactly why non interference is the best foreign policy most of the time.
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:Oh for sure, they are going to run and vote Dem he means they're gonna toss them out in the next republican primary
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evilweasel posted:I'd seen a few tweets on this and thought it was Trump's new policy of denying asylum to people who crossed the Mexican border. It's not: it's overturning Jeff Sessions' attempt to bar anyone fleeing gang violence or domestic violence from getting asylum. It's a huge deal, much bigger than I though - it is a given that the policy denying aslyum to people who crossed the Mexican border will not be upheld, but gutting this racism elf decision now that he's gone is something I wasn't expecting:
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Dec 19, 2018 18:41
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Bicyclops posted:Yeah. He hasn't even tried to hide his corruption, really, and his moron Presidency has opened him up to way too much scrutiny. haveblue posted:Non-NYers do not understand the degree to which Trump is loathed here. He's been a tabloid fixture since the 80s and there are buildings with his name on them all over town. The most recent election proved that taking on Trump is a winning position now so the investigations are not going to stop.
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Dec 19, 2018 18:41
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:Oh for sure, they are going to run and vote Dem Jesus Christ. Again, I DID NOT SAY THIS. You are aware of the primary process, right? You are also aware of how much success the Tea Party had in purging anyone they perceived as a RINO between 2008-2016?
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FlamingLiberal posted:That Sessions policy was in direct violation of international treaties we have signed regarding asylum so it should absolutely be thrown out. yeah but under US law treaty obligations don't always have the force of law (in fact, they usually don't) it got thrown out because the racism elf decision violated our immigration laws, rather than any treaties
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Dec 19, 2018 18:42
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evilweasel posted:I'd seen a few tweets on this and thought it was Trump's new policy of denying asylum to people who crossed the Mexican border. It's not: it's overturning Jeff Sessions' attempt to bar anyone fleeing gang violence or domestic violence from getting asylum. It's a huge deal, much bigger than I though - it is a given that the policy denying aslyum to people who crossed the Mexican border will not be upheld, but gutting this racism elf decision now that he's gone is something I wasn't expecting: there are a couple other cases in this line of decisions that this makes me very happy about. the same reason core elements of this fail under State Farm/Fox hard look review should hopefully apply to some other decisions that Sessions similarly certified to himself then abruptly changed 30+ years of DOJ policy (while maintaining that it WASN'T a policy change, just them upholding the law in a way previous administrations hadn't - which is ironically what's gonna bite them in the rear end)
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evilweasel posted:he means they're gonna toss them out in the next republican primary Nah. Even if they did, if I were an evil piece of garbage in congress the last 18 months, I'd be proud of my accomplishments and ready to take a cushy consulting gig. The only thing they wanted that they didn't get was ACA repeal (which dark times will be coming for anyway, thanks to a tipped SC) and The Wall, which was a dumb thing anyhow.
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VitalSigns posted:Generally people have no trouble understanding that if I do a drive by shooting on someone else's house and then their relatives do one on mine, my kids didn't "have it coming" but my evil actions absolutely provoked the evil response and it's not victim-blaming to say that I share responsibility for what happened and if I want to commit drive by shootings then having shootings committed against me is the expected consequence.
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:Nah. Even if they did, if I were an evil piece of garbage in congress the last 18 months, I'd be proud of my accomplishments and ready to take a cushy consulting gig. getting tossed out in a primary seriously hurts your post-congress earning power. plus, why retire when you can just corruptly insider trade for all the money you could want and also be one of the most powerful people in the country?
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:Jesus Christ. Again, I DID NOT SAY THIS. You are aware of the primary process, right? You are also aware of how much success the Tea Party had in purging anyone they perceived as a RINO between 2008-2016? The damage Trump is doing to the Republican brand as a whole far outweighs the gain of certain evil shits replacing the current evil shits.
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https://twitter.com/WPJohnWagner/status/1075442924224217088 "just keep loading up tractor-trailers with every scrap of paper in your offices and copies of every hard drive and we will tell you when to stop" "in a few weeks we'll be sending over buses, load those up with various aides to be deposed and again, we'll tell you when to stop"
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evilweasel posted:yeah but under US law treaty obligations don't always have the force of law (in fact, they usually don't) Yeah lol at the US being bound to any international treaty. No one on the world thinks the US is a good-faith actor
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DLC Inc posted:if you primary Trump, who would even be on the GOP ticket? Resident ghoul Tom Cotton? Dan Crenshaw? As slim as the Dem options are, the GOP possibilities are loving dire. That's why the RNC and Trump Campaign are merging into one for 2020.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Gin and Tacos had an interesting article the other day about how left-wing foreign policy is sortof collectively bad. http://www.ginandtacos.com/2018/12/18/all-greek/ Nah quote:One, more popular among leftist-progressive types, is essentially a repackaged version of Gilded Age and Interwar isolationism. War is bad (which is true, but not a foreign policy). Any outcome that does not involve the United States engaging in military action is good (usually true, but not universally). Picking sides is bad, because without any real thought about what American goals are – Humanitarian? Strategic? Public relations? – everything gets reduced to Philosophy 101 guy-who-didn't-do-the-readings logic: Who's to say who's right here? There's also an alarming tendency for people of this mindset to be manipulated by obviously bad actors – Jill Stein and Glenn Greenwald and their "What's so bad about Russia Today? It's just like the BBC!" shtick, or Gabbard and her "I went and talked to Assad and he agrees with me" stunt. When no goal or policy beyond "Let's stay out of it" can be articulated, you make yourself pretty easy to manipulate. Yeah no, Trumpism isn't non-interventionism. Trump intervenes on the side of authoritarians all the time, that's just a smear against the anti-war movement and this article is dumb and bad sorry. Also lol at the implication that "the underlying belief that authoritarians around the world really aren't so bad" is some new thing unique to Trumpism and/or Jill Stein, and not the guiding philosophy of the neolib interventionist project for the last half-century.
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:The damage Trump is doing to the Republican brand as a whole far outweighs the gain of certain evil shits replacing the current evil shits. You assume that a) the Republicans in the Senate are smart enough to see this, b) that they give a poo poo about "damage to the brand", because no evidence suggests that a majority of them do at this point, and c) that they will even think it's worth the short-term political fallout to hop on board the impeachment train.
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Failed Imagineer posted:Yeah lol at the US being bound to any international treaty. No one on the world thinks the US is a good-faith actor Not for the time being at the very least.
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DLC Inc posted:if you primary Trump, who would even be on the GOP ticket? Resident ghoul Tom Cotton? Dan Crenshaw? As slim as the Dem options are, the GOP possibilities are loving dire. The only way to run a successful primary against Trump is to adopt all his positions and rhetoric and dial it up to 11, and paint him as a failed businessman and a failed president who kept loving up and couldn't keep his promises. Basically, it would have to be someone who is an even bigger crazy rear end in a top hat than him.
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:The damage Trump is doing to the Republican brand as a whole far outweighs the gain of certain evil shits replacing the current evil shits. this, it seems like they will lose either way. either they lose the election hard in 2020 with trump. or they take the bullet sooner and hope for the best in 2020 and possibly lose too.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Gin and Tacos had an interesting article the other day about how left-wing foreign policy is sortof collectively bad. http://www.ginandtacos.com/2018/12/18/all-greek/ This is at least partially because foreign policy is very hard. You saw it even in this very thread! VH4Ever posted:Yeah I hear that, and the bad news is yeah, lots of people are going to die. That much seems unavoidable now, not to be cold and stoic about it. I guess I'd rather we not have the blood directly on our hands like we usually do, and until we come up with another way of doing business the choice seems to be stay out of it and not be responsible, or go in and be responsible. Decades of incompetence and imperialism has lead us here. No matter what, basically anything you do in foreign policy as a hegemon will result in human suffering, and because you're a hegemon, even inaction is action. Having to take the position that x group of people suffering is necessary is easy for us to do on a dying comedy forum but it's no wonder left aligned politicians either avoid fopo like the plague, handwave it away with vague platitudes, or have actively bad foreign policy and get away with it because they have good domestic policy (looking at you, Tulsi). It's unfortunate, too, because it overlaps very poorly with the governmental structure of the US, where the presidency gets all the focus and yet has so much less power in domestic than foreign policy. (Not to call you out here VH4Ever, sorry! It was just an easy example!)
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They both heard that the other likes [chik] [pee]
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Taerkar posted:Not for the time being at the very least. Probably never again.
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DLC Inc posted:if you primary Trump, who would even be on the GOP ticket? Resident ghoul Tom Cotton? Dan Crenshaw? As slim as the Dem options are, the GOP possibilities are loving dire. Does anyone have that old garrison comic that was like, the 2016 presidential bench and it was like packed with Republicans and then on the dems there was only Biden? I honestly want to see how many names on the GOP bench are still viable contenders.
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