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Gologle posted:Hey so what is Ultimecia's deal really? What do we know about her? Alternatively she's Rinoa from the future who was driven mad with grief and power and wanted to go back to the one time Squall was around, but hosed up so bad that everyone had no choice but to kill her. This option is the better one, narratively speaking, so it's officially Not True.
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I guess I just don't understand how Shao Kahn fits in with the Time Kompression part though
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I actually forgot about Kinoc. I forgot he goes off with the murder happy villain and outright calls that out, but still ends up dead right after anyway. Wonder if he knew that would happen.
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bobjr posted:I actually forgot about Kinoc. I forgot he goes off with the murder happy villain and outright calls that out, but still ends up dead right after anyway. Wonder if he knew that would happen. Also as a sidenote I remember FFX being harder than it is; even making the game more difficult for myself by refusing to use Auron or Tidus unless absolutely necessary (Kimhari's my 'sword main') it's been something of a cakewalk. Oh well, I just got to the calm lands; monster capturing and dark aeons are finally going to be open to me.
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There's like maybe three tough bosses but outside of that is a cakewalk, except some of the ridiculous optional stuff.
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Saint Freak posted:I guess I just don't understand how Shao Kahn fits in with the Time Kompression part though
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oh man forget R=U I just learned the most mindblowing thing about FF8 from the Ultimania Angelo is a girl dog
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DACK FAYDEN posted:oh man forget R=U I just learned the most mindblowing thing about FF8 from the Ultimania Angelo is a girl Ultimecia is a girl A=U
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Dec 20, 2018 18:19
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DACK FAYDEN posted:Angelo is a girl dog hosed up if true
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Dec 20, 2018 18:21
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If Rinoa isn't Ultimecia then explain the Griever thing You can't R=U
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precision posted:If Rinoa isn't Ultimecia then explain the Griever thing
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Dec 20, 2018 18:59
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DACK FAYDEN posted:She plucked it directly from Squall's mind, it literally says that in-game if you Scan it, it says like "In Squall's mind, the strongest GF." but why
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I'm pretty sure Sin regenerates quickly after a Final Summoning, it just doesn't begin making attacks on human civilization for a certain period of time and that's the Calm. people know it's out there in the oceans like a dragon on old real world maps, but they get respite until it shows up again and summoners begin to make their pilgrimages again
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Dec 20, 2018 19:10
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Fister Roboto posted:but why Because Ultimecia herself is a personification of all of Squall's worst qualities and insecurities from the start of the game.
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The mobile versions of FF games and Chrono Trigger are on sale if you want to subject yourself to the mobile versions of those games.
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Cattail Prophet posted:Because Ultimecia herself is a personification of all of Squall's worst qualities and insecurities from the start of the game. So, a girl you date in high school
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Calaveron posted:So, a girl you date in high school Technically Balamb is a school. Rinoa is a girl, who Squall dates, at said school.
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Fister Roboto posted:but why Because FF8 is stupid as gently caress
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Calaveron posted:So, a girl you date in high school
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Rinoa repesents coming of age and Squall represents the inevitability of death. Ultimecia is meant to represent you, the player. All other characters represent the dangers of ignorance, except for Angelo who obviously is meant to show the struggles of the working class, and Doom Train which is the negative impacts of industrialization.
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Saint Freak posted:Rinoa repesents coming of age and Squall represents the inevitability of death. Ultimecia is meant to represent you, the player. All other characters represent the dangers of ignorance, except for Angelo who obviously is meant to show the struggles of the working class, and Doom Train which is the negative impacts of industrialization. Having recently (slowly) started 8, I'm glad of this post so I can be aware of the deep story metaphors to watch for going in.
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Saint Freak posted:Rinoa repesents coming of age and Squall represents the inevitability of death. Ultimecia is meant to represent you, the player. All other characters represent the dangers of ignorance, except for Angelo who obviously is meant to show the struggles of the working class, and Doom Train which is the negative impacts of industrialization. selphie (selphie)
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Oxxidation posted:selphie (selphie)
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Saint Freak posted:Rinoa repesents coming of age and Squall represents the inevitability of death. Ultimecia is meant to represent you, the player. All other characters represent the dangers of ignorance, except for Angelo who obviously is meant to show the struggles of the working class, and Doom Train which is the negative impacts of industrialization. Um Laguna represents the futility of being a dad trying to maintain relevance in the modern day ok
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Saint Freak posted:Rinoa repesents coming of age and Squall represents the inevitability of death. Ultimecia is meant to represent you, the player. All other characters represent the dangers of ignorance, except for Angelo who obviously is meant to show the struggles of the working class, and Doom Train which is the negative impacts of industrialization. what do the hot dogs represent
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Whalley posted:Um Laguna represents the futility of being a dad trying to maintain relevance in the modern day ok this doesn't make sense because laguna is a champ while squall is just a chump Fister Roboto posted:what do the hot dogs represent sometimes a hot dog is just a hot dog
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Whalley posted:Also as a sidenote I remember FFX being harder than it is; even making the game more difficult for myself by refusing to use Auron or Tidus unless absolutely necessary (Kimhari's my 'sword main') it's been something of a cakewalk. Oh well, I just got to the calm lands; monster capturing and dark aeons are finally going to be open to me. Playing it normally it's mostly not that hard but has a couple of huge difficulty spikes in the form of bosses who outright loving cheat the system like total fuckers, Seymour Flux and Yunalesca. They're both perfect storms of bullshit. They both exploit the zombie status effect to use healing magic offensively against you. Zombie is a rare status effect only curable by one specific item. For Seymour you won't have any of these unless you read a guide and bought a bunch because nothing up to this point has inflicted it, and for Yunalesca she punishes you for curing it by deleting your entire party. This means that you're continuously eating deadly healing magic which cuts right through your Mdef and can't be dodged, and also you cannot heal reliably. They also are both resistant to the standard Aeon Overdrive spam that will have carried most players through bosses up to this point. The game trains you to spam Aeon Overdrives because nothing prior to this can punish them. Using them gives the enemy like 4 or 5 turns in a row, but all the damage they output gets absorbed by the Aeon so in essence it's just a huge amount of free damage. Seymour and Yunalesca both have special attacks which brutalize Aeons, so trying this leads them to get 4 or so uninterrupted turns against your helpless party, which if you have not massively overleveled is invariably lethal. They also both routinely dispel buffs on your party and are immune to/counter debuffs on themselves. In FFX buffs and debuffs are extremely useful, especially Slow and Haste, and players will have used them regularly in boss battles up to this point. But for Seymour and Yunalesca, they're a waste of time, because they cannot be slowed and will quickly dispel Haste off of your party(and Tidus, the Haste Guy, does not have nearly enough mp to continuously recast it especially when Yunalesca Osmoses him). Seymour also bypasses Reflect by bouncing spells off himself. They're immune to all the Breaks as well, which have also been a staple of boss battles as well as being the only thing Auron can do other than just hit people. And you basically need to have Auron in your party for this because at a standard level for this part of the game he's the only one who can tank the damage they put out, which is a problem because Auron is slow as gently caress, none of his abilities actually work in this fight and he misses half the time. Plus Yunalesca will confuse him and then he'll start oneshotting the other party members. All this poo poo combines into 2 really brutal fights which happen pretty close to each other(and come with 10 minute unskippable cutscenes).
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Fister Roboto posted:what do the hot dogs represent As Ultimecia wishes to compress time into a singularity, so does Zell desire meats compressed into one. From here, the parallels should be obvious.
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Meat Kompression is my favorite fatality.
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Relax Or DIE posted:As Ultimecia wishes to compress time into a singularity, so does Zell desire meats compressed into one. From here, the parallels should be obvious. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP7K9SycELA ?
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Why doesn't Zell eat Angelo
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Rinoa is Molly Ringwald from Pretty in Pink, and Seifer is Duckie.
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Mega64 posted:Why doesn't Zell eat Angelo who's to say he didn't, and replaces ronia's dog with a close-enough facsimile every time
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Doom train is actually the dangers of meth. Seymour and yuanlesca are actually good fights because they’re challenging and requires some thought beyond hit them with the strongest attack. The cutscenes can gently caress off, yeah.
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on some level I really like the seymour and yunalesca fights, they're really outside the box in terms of how they're designed and they're definitely extremely memorable, and the fact that they're tough means that you really do need to put thought into them which gives you an incentive to get deeper into FFX's really good combat system on another, more prominent level, they can go gently caress themselves
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Fister Roboto posted:but why Ultimecia has a spell that says "find the thing this guy thinks is the most rad, and then make him fight it."
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If cutscenes were skippable those fights would rule. Instead, gently caress those fights.
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cock hero flux posted:on some level I really like the seymour and yunalesca fights, they're really outside the box in terms of how they're designed and they're definitely extremely memorable, and the fact that they're tough means that you really do need to put thought into them which gives you an incentive to get deeper into FFX's really good combat system Those kinds of fights, for me, boil down to how things are telegraphed (and, of course, how easy it is to pick yourself up and try again. The cutscenes are an issue there). I like puzzles, but I don't like guessing games.
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Rand Brittain posted:Ultimecia has a spell that says "find the thing this guy thinks is the most rad, and then make him fight it."
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Relin posted:there should be more villains like that And thus awesome mccooldude fought the worlds most dangerous sunglasses riding atop a skateboard
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