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Azathoth posted:I'm not sure how to ask this, so pardon my inarticulate phrasing, but wasn't this always what was going to happen once Russia went all in on Assad and the non-Kurd rebels in the east went all clusterfuck. Nope. The writing was on the wall pretty much the day that Turkey launched Operation Euphrates Shield to keep the cantons from linking up. Turkey is the second biggest military in NATO, and an indispensable geostrategic ally to American interests - so at best all the US was gonna do was stall for time until we'd beaten down ISIS to something we could call a win. After Raqqa was taken the US mission was to stay in Rojava to try and keep Syria destabilized, but the government is clearly going to win with the help of Russia and Hezbollah - so that's also a completely wasted effort.
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become assad's slaves or be massacred by the turks, an unenvious position the kurds are in.
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if Turkey hadn't been so determined to prevent any sort of fledgling Kurd state from taking form I definitely could have seen the US propping up the Kurds in eastern Syria long-term... That's what it looked like was happening as recently as a couple days ago. It provides some nice US military base real estate not far from Iran, access to lots of oil, splits apart a non-aligned state in Syria, and all sorts of scheming bullshit like that. And the US did blow away a bunch of SAA-aligned forces on multiple occasions when they ventured too far east. but the US was never going to choose the Kurds over Turkey. Kurds need to submit to Damascus rule now
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Another reason for pulling out of Syria: https://twitter.com/KeesvdPijl1/status/1075441013227950080
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Azathoth posted:I'm not sure how to ask this, so pardon my inarticulate phrasing, but wasn't this always what was going to happen once Russia went all in on Assad and the non-Kurd rebels in the east went all clusterfuck. It was always obvious that the Kurds would end up in Assad's Syria or Erdogan's circus, the reason why this decision is so important is that Washington has decided in the Kurds' stead which scenario will happen - and it's arguably the much worse one, i.e. subjugation to Turkey and its borderline genocidal proxy militias. Unless Assad and YPG can act very, very quickly to outpace Turkey in moving in.
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https://twitter.com/jaketapper/stat...ingawful.com%2F So long do you think the Afghan government will stand without US support?
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Once again asking a question from ignorance. The last time I heard anything about Turkey's military, they were struggling around Raqqa. Is there any reason to think that they could take and hold territory in Syria once Assad invests seriously in throwing them out?
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Turkey currently occupies large areas of Syria, and Assad is powerless to do anything about it. The whole Idlib region is a Turkish protectorate where islamist militias roam free. The Afrin canton was conquered by Turkey in a military operation and subjected to ethnic cleansing. It's not something to take lightly
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staticman posted:Another reason for pulling out of Syria: omg jungle hell war
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lol at the centerist meltdown over any implication that eternal-war could just be whole-lotta-war
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Bip Roberts posted:lol at the centerist meltdown over any implication that eternal-war could just be whole-lotta-war Wait until the Democratic primaries when some of the candidates are gonna campaign on never leaving Afghanistan.
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Azathoth posted:Once again asking a question from ignorance. The last time I heard anything about Turkey's military, they were struggling around Raqqa. Is there any reason to think that they could take and hold territory in Syria once Assad invests seriously in throwing them out? Turkish struggles were mostly due to relying on their rebels to do the bulk of the fighting. Unless the Russians intervene on their behalf, the Assad regime has little chance of expelling any Turkish occupations if the Turks actually contest it with their regular army. Most of the Syrian regime's army units exist in name only at this point and are reliant on a clusterfuck of pro-gov militias to do most of the fighting. If it hadn't been for Russia, they would have probably collapsed.
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OhFunny posted:https://twitter.com/jaketapper/stat...ingawful.com%2F doesn’t matter it was doomed to fail since we invaded because “nation building” was a scam to flood American private contractors with tax dollars. nothing we’ve ever done to “nation build” has resulted in prosperity in the Middle East. gently caress it. this is a death economy.
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lol mattis quit cuz trump made him look like a fool over syria
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https://twitter.com/Dalatrm/status/1075829364049281024 https://twitter.com/eha_news/status/1075852787529994245 Idk what EHA news is, but it seems apparent that the situation on the ground is developing quickly.
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Vernii posted:Turkish struggles were mostly due to relying on their rebels to do the bulk of the fighting. Unless the Russians intervene on their behalf, the Assad regime has little chance of expelling any Turkish occupations if the Turks actually contest it with their regular army. (Tens of?) Thousands of members of the Turkish military have been purged over the last two years, so I think the actual fighting ability of the Turkish Army might not be as robust as some here believe.
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OhFunny posted:(Tens of?) Thousands of members of the Turkish military have been purged over the last two years, so I think the actual fighting ability of the Turkish Army might not be as robust as some here believe. Yeah the idea that the Turkish military is some unstoppable juggernaut doesn't hold up to much scrutiny. All they've done so far is be artillery support for the Salafist militias under their command.
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Isn't their air force something to be concermed about here?
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Not saying its unstoppable or a juggernaut. Just that considering the SAA has basically ceased to exist as a proper army and Russia/Hezbollah had to drag the regime across the finish line, I don't think there's much Assad can do unless the Russians are willing to intervene.
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It's a lot easier to wage a ground war now with all of the rebels isolated into separate pockets, where all they've done for months is kill each other over turf.
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A risk for the YPG as a group is that it seems like factions in the SDF are split between wanting to reconcile with the Assad government or aligning with the Turks.
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Vernii posted:Not saying its unstoppable or a juggernaut. Just that considering the SAA has basically ceased to exist as a proper army and Russia/Hezbollah had to drag the regime across the finish line, I don't think there's much Assad can do unless the Russians are willing to intervene. Legit question: given how heavily they are involved already and how Russia clearly views Turkey as an adversary for regional power, why on Earth wouldn't they intervene?
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Azathoth posted:Legit question: given how heavily they are involved already and how Russia clearly views Turkey as an adversary for regional power, why on Earth wouldn't they intervene? because turkey is still a member of NATO
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the bitcoin of weed posted:because turkey is still a member of NATO If Turkey is operating across the Syrian border, is any NATO member gonna do anything other than tell them to gently caress off if they ask for help?
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Wait until the Democratic primaries when some of the candidates are
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Trump...good??
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Atrocious Joe posted:https://twitter.com/Dalatrm/status/1075829364049281024 Uh, almost like turkey knew about the pull out before Rojava 
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obama's nobel peace prize should be forcibly seized and given to trump
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mila kunis posted:obama's nobel peace prize should be forcibly seized and given to trump This except instead of Trump give it to Chelsea Manning.
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the bitcoin of weed posted:because turkey is still a member of NATO George Kennan was right. NATO expansion was a mistake
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Turkey is going to get rekt Also, French troops are still in Rojava no?
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mila kunis posted:obama's nobel peace prize should be forcibly seized and given to trump Is some peace about to happen? I fucken love peace
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staticman posted:Another reason for pulling out of Syria: invading venezuela would be so tremendously stupid and suicidal that i can absolutely see whatever remains of the neocons pushing it. i doubt trump is even dumb enough to fall for it though
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Frijolero posted:Also, French troops are still in Rojava no? lmao Paris found out about the pull-out from Syria only when Trump announced it
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gradenko_2000 posted:lmao Paris found out about the pull-out from Syria only when Trump announced it lmao
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gradenko_2000 posted:lmao Paris found out about the pull-out from Syria only when Trump announced it The UK also
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