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Angry_Ed posted:"Well Libya, sorry that your Arab Spring revolution failed, but we couldn't help you despite the rebels and the Arab League asking the United Nations to do something to prevent civilians from getting mulched by a dictator. See because he gave up his nukes, he's "one of the good dictators" " - SECSTATE Lightning Knight, 2011. Pretend I posted the British government’s own analysis that determined NATO completely misread the situation in Libya and massively hosed up when we intervened. Interventionism is trash. Stop making murderers of American children and slaughtering the global poor to satisfy our pathological need to be the “heroes” of this story.
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Angry_Ed posted:I'm sure all the dead Kurds would agree with you if they weren't dead by the hands of Turkish soldiers who we are selling weapons to right now and are preparing to attack the Kurds as soon as we leave holy poo poo how are you this dense. cool, that's the way its gonna be as long as erdogan is in power. what are we gonna do, occupy kurdistan forever? the US cannot protect everyone everywhere and i would argue that for all the good its doing the kurds, the occupations are still overall worse for the region i'm not saying "don't bother helping," i'm saying "don't let that stop us from doing the right thing and ending the wars"
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pictured: a treacherous sonofabitch advocating we abandon our allies in the critical fight against the Russian menace https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucY7JOfg6G4
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GreyjoyBastard posted:No, it is not. You can't spread democracy with the barrel of a gun. i can't believe I'm saying this unironically again.
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VideoGameVet posted:Ex Boss posted this on FB: A good boss, he can avoid the lamppost.
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The only thing about Cotton that would not be absolutely terrible is that he wouldn't go to war with North Korea now since they have nukes
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the cognitive dissonance of applauding isolationism at any price (even the immediate, preventable death of hundreds of thousands) while complaining about endless wars is... something!
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:A good boss, he can avoid the lamppost. Lifetime Democrat.
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So why didn't you loving stick around and do something about it you coward
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:its wonderful to know that the correct solution to ending middle east intervention is to suddenly announce withdrawing troops on twitter without preparing at all (or even asking your military to develop plans to you know, actually withdraw the troops) solely because a dictator wants to kill off your allies and you're pesky soldiers are in the way. I guess if the choice is an incompetent removal and a "removal when the conditions are *good" I'll go with the former because the latter doesn't exist.
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:but, hundreds of thousands of dead civilians is worst the price to withdraw our massive occupying force of 2,000 soldiers Americans have a long history of leaving their kurdish proxies to fend for themselves, notably after the first gulf war. Maybe if you don't want your collaborators and native informers slaughtered don't go around the world backing one side of a sectarian conflict over another?
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Giggy posted:I guess if the choice is an incompetent removal and a "removal when the conditions are *good" I'll go with the former because the latter doesn't exist. do you agree that's a difference between iraq and 2,000 troops in syria?
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Giggy posted:You can't spread democracy with the barrel of a gun. i can't believe I'm saying this unironically again. he believes we need to put boots on the ground in Venezuela to end the communist menace to Plucky Little Bolsarono, so that might not be an angle he's particularly receptive to
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Notice how the usual liberal warhawks won't even bother trying to defend Libya now that their principled, humanitarian intervention caused the country to turn into an open air slave/organ market.
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:do you agree that's a difference between iraq and 2,000 troops in syria? There should be zero American troops in the Middle East.
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Lol Pevin how did you get that addendum to your avatar? I want to hear that story. 
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Guys this sudden military decision will the one thing that Trump doesn't gently caress up spectacularly, trust me on this. If you disagree with that I guess you love the military and want to marry it.
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:Notice how the usual liberal warhawks won't even bother trying to defend Libya now that their principled, humanitarian intervention caused the country to turn into an open air slave/organ market. simple question: asking your secretary of defense to prepare a plan to withdraw soldiers before announcing you're withdrawing is... a. a good idea b. a bad idea
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UHHHHHHHHH https://twitter.com/KatrinaPierson/status/1075906568007360512 UHHHHHHHH
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Jaxyon posted:Guys this sudden military decision will the one thing that Trump doesn't gently caress up spectacularly, trust me on this. If you disagree with that I guess you love the military and want to marry it. nobody's questioning he'll gently caress it up spectacularly, rest your head on that one. it is cute as hell watching people who ~hypothetically~ are against forever wars recoiling in shock and horror that it looks like someone might actually grant them their wish
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evilmiera posted:Exactly. There hasn't been a thing he has managed to do that has not either been pointless or completely hosed up in its execution. That's pretty much my feelings. poo poo is going to get very bad when we leave because President Deals is going to somehow manage to do it in the worst way possible. Like I half expect Mr "We should have taken Iraq's oil" to try and order the troops to loot poo poo as they leave.
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technically true
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VideoGameVet posted:Ex Boss posted this on FB: I'm stealing this. Tell your ex-boss thanks.
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Jaxyon posted:Guys this sudden military decision will the one thing that Trump doesn't gently caress up spectacularly, trust me on this. If you disagree with that I guess you love the military and want to marry it. I don't think any president would be able to withdraw our troops from the ME without loving it up.
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:nobody's questioning he'll gently caress it up spectacularly, rest your head on that one. LOL if you think that being worried about how big a fuckup Trump will be means they aren't against war.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:UHHHHHHHHH *Yelling at grave* WHY DID YOU FRAME TRUMP YOU RINO
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Giggy posted:I don't think any president would be able to withdraw our troops from the ME without loving it up. I would imagine probably some basic ways to not gently caress it up would include things like 'informing your military before announcing it on twitter'
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:simple question: Simple question: are the organ and slave markets worth the liberal feel good intervention? Seven Hundred Bee posted:I would imagine probably some basic ways to not gently caress it up would include things like 'informing your military before announcing it on twitter' You reach the vietnam-era of peak democratic stupidity. Liberals argued that there was no good time to ever stop bombing north vietnam or aiding the RVN because it would cause more bloodshed lmao.
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All of this kind of feels like Trump's really rushing to deliver on some Russian priorities just before the new congress gets in. In the last 72 hours: -Russian base in Venezuela -Deripaska companies sanctions lifted -Mattis pushed out -Troops being pulled from Syria -Troops possibly being pulled from Afghanistan I mean that's basically the biggest Christmas gift to Putin ever
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The Bullet Farmer has really bad brain worms.
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:nobody's questioning he'll gently caress it up spectacularly, rest your head on that one. your response to me saying 'wow trump is doing this in a horrible way that will kill hundreds of thousands of people!' is to start talking about american military intervention in the 1980s. again, even if you agree that we should withdraw from syria, this is the worst way possible to do so
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:Simple question: are the organ and slave markets worth the liberal feel good intervention? I would encourage you to read and respond to posts, but...
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:I would imagine probably some basic ways to not gently caress it up would include things like 'informing your military before announcing it on twitter' What difference does it make how he announced it? The military doesn't want us to leave and when I talk about gently caress up I mean logistical fuckup the military does every day.
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Yeah, that’s a lot more understandable for being livid about. Shimrra Jamaane posted:UHHHHHHHHH She should go to Hell and ask him.
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It's almost as if there was no good possible outcome in many of these situations yet our I'll conceived, poorly executed military action made things worse and will make things worse again when we leave. I actually do think the US should keep a leadership role in being the "world police" though we should radically change the way we approach it.
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:your response to me saying 'wow trump is doing this in a horrible way that will kill hundreds of thousands of people!' is to start talking about american military intervention in the 1980s. there is no way it wouldn't cause the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, that butcher's bill was going to come due sooner or later. let's pretend trump phases the troop withdrawal out in 18 months, what's the difference other than turkey bides its time before they unleash their firepower on the kurds?
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Giggy posted:What difference does it make how he announced it? The military doesn't want us to leave and when I talk about gently caress up I mean logistical fuckup the military does every day. if you're serious about changing us military policy you should probably do what you can to prevent your political and military infrastructure from coming out and calling you a loving moron, repeatedly, over and over. you should probably let your allies know beforehand.
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