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Dapper_Swindler posted:https://twitter.com/MHJournalist/status/1075767338564083713 it is one of the most bitterly loving hilarious pieces of america's thirty-year run as unrivaled hegemon that we have, despite ourselves, provided the world with a clear and unambiguous moral to the story. "Trust in America, and you lose. There are no exceptions."
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Lycus posted:Cloture is 3/5 of total sitting, not of those present. So if the Senate just says "gently caress it we aren't coming back for this dumbass crap," do we just go into automatic shutdown till after New Years?
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Dec 21, 2018 02:14
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Teddybear posted:Now, is it 60 outright? Or is it 3/5ths of those present? Because the Senate is having the same problems with folks going home/leaving DC as the House is. It's 3/5 but I'm sure both sides will drag everyone back kicking and screaming if they are really trying to get it done. Edit: Nope, cloture is 3/5 of the entire Senate regardless of the quorum lol. mango sentinel fucked around with this message at 02:17 on Dec 21, 2018 |
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Lycus posted:Cloture is 3/5 of total sitting, not of those present. So, who IS present?
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skylined! posted:My neighbor is in the army as intel and just got back from Afghanistan after a six month deployment and he basically went pale after trumps announcement and mattis resignation. He is of the opinion that many afghanis he has worked with are going to be slaughtered. You would think after the hmong getting slow motion genocided after vietnam and the kurds getting gassed that people around the world would think twice before collaborating with the united states, but hey.
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Dec 21, 2018 02:14
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I hear the President is 3/4ths Manchurian
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Dec 21, 2018 02:15
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i mean thats at least a positive. It's the trolley problem, but with a complete rear end in a top hat at the switch so you don't feel bad about him getting savaged for his choice.
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Dec 21, 2018 02:16
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:You would think after the hmong getting slow motion genocided after vietnam and the kurds getting gassed that people around the world would think twice before collaborating with the united states, but hey. i guess they thought it was better then living under dipshit theocratic clowns who commit cultural genocide and run a goverment somehow shittier then us.
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Dec 21, 2018 02:16
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i guess they thought it was better then living under dipshit theocratic clowns who commit cultural genocide and run a goverment somehow shittier then us. I thought we basically supported a Catholic theocracy in S. Vietnam?
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Dec 21, 2018 02:19
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Lightning Knight posted:Would an American withdraw from South Korea materially affect things? We have 50,000 troops there last I checked, while South Korea has a much larger force that is capable of fighting NK on its own if need be, and relations between the Koreas have marginally improved since Trump took office, since he's too incompetent to meddle properly. I'm sure it would look bad but it's not clear to me it would actually be bad in the long term for Korea. The result would probably a three way nuclear arms race between the ROK, PRC and Japan, so I'm going to say that would be bad.
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Dec 21, 2018 02:20
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Giggy posted:I thought we basically supported a Catholic theocracy in S. Vietnam? least we had the decency to have/let those fuckheads get capped. too bad it was basically military psychos after that.
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Dec 21, 2018 02:21
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sexpig by night posted:I really tried to think of a country we did nation building on post war for the joke but all I could think of was MAYBE if you're insanely loose with the term I guess Japan and even then their post war miracle was entirely despite us. You never heard of the Marshal Plan that rebuilt western Europe?
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Dec 21, 2018 02:22
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Lightning Knight posted:Would an American withdraw from South Korea materially affect things? We have 50,000 troops there last I checked, while South Korea has a much larger force that is capable of fighting NK on its own if need be, and relations between the Koreas have marginally improved since Trump took office, since he's too incompetent to meddle properly. I'm sure it would look bad but it's not clear to me it would actually be bad in the long term for Korea. best part is you know trump will do it, because gently caress it he needs some kinda "win".
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Giggy posted:I thought we basically supported a Catholic theocracy in S. Vietnam? I think he's talking about the middle east. The hilarious part is that the RVN persecuted the gently caress out of the degar people whenever they could, peace loving democrats indeed
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sexpig by night posted:yea it'd suck if that thing south korea wants happened, we gotta show those savages who's boss Large majority of S. Koreans want American soldiers to stay.
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Dec 21, 2018 02:23
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Charlz Guybon posted:You never heard of the Marshal Plan that rebuilt western Europe? Yeah the Marshal Plan was kind of a huge thing to leave out of that statement.
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Dec 21, 2018 02:24
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Wonder how many senators are still around / can be dragged back in time. (Reminder about Corker's comments earlier from the long ago time of This Afternoon about not taking returning for a vote seriously.) As pointed out even if everyone isn't there 60 is still the threshold and, well, that's a lot of everyone isn't there!!
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Dec 21, 2018 02:24
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:I think he's talking about the middle east. they were just as bad if not worse then the NVA. we should have never gotten involved with nam. gently caress Eisenhower for believing in the domino bullshit and Kennedy for following up on it.
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Dec 21, 2018 02:24
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So Mattis believes that Trump is betraying an ally, and the best we get is a strongly worded resignation letter. It's going to be decorum all the way down as the country burns. Maybe Mattis will surprise me and give some interviews to explicitly call Trump a senile traitor.
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Dec 21, 2018 02:25
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Dapper_Swindler posted:they were just as bad if not worse then the NVA. we should have never gotten involved with nam. gently caress Eisenhower for believing in the domino bullshit and Kennedy for following up on it. Yes, yes, that intervention was bad, but this current one in _____________________________, it is so good -American liberals
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Dec 21, 2018 02:26
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mcmagic posted:If bad poo poo happens because Mattis leaves, thats ok. We deserve it. We're an unreliable and insane electorate who are getting the government we deserve. I hate this loving attitude. The electorate expressly did not give us trump, or W. It didn’t give us the Tea Party either, our broken rear end electoral system did. The crisis in America is not too much democracy, it’s not enough.
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Dec 21, 2018 02:27
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Dapper_Swindler posted:we don't even know if he is gonna withdrawl from afganistan yet outside mumbling from the people. either way he will gently caress it up. https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1075916473518972929?s=21
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Dec 21, 2018 02:27
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Lightning Knight posted:I agree tbh. South Korea has agency, they have a meaningful standing military, they're much closer to China than we are geographically as it is. If they decide they want to be unaligned or buddies with China, whatever man. We don't need to control everything like it's fuckin' Crusader Kings guys. Yeah, well they don't want to be forced to kowtow to Beijing like it's the middle ages so if the American umbrella is removed they will go nuclear.
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Dec 21, 2018 02:28
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Wow he totally ended the forever war. Donald the dove.
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Dec 21, 2018 02:29
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Charlz Guybon posted:The result would probably a three way nuclear arms race between the ROK, PRC and Japan, so I'm going to say that would be bad. I'm not convinced that the people of South Korea and Japan would actually let this happen, especially the latter, and China already has nukes. Charlz Guybon posted:Yeah, well they don't want to be forced to kowtow to Beijing like it's the middle ages so if the American umbrella is removed they will go nuclear.  I don't want American empire to keep existing, nor do I want them to kowtow to our lovely government instead. Dapper_Swindler posted:best part is you know trump will do it, because gently caress it he needs some kinda "win". I don't think he'd perceive this as a win since it wouldn't make him look strong against North Korea.
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Dec 21, 2018 02:29
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Bishounen Bonanza posted:So Mattis believes that Trump is betraying an ally, and the best we get is a strongly worded resignation letter. It's going to be decorum all the way down as the country burns. Maybe Mattis will surprise me and give some interviews to explicitly call Trump a senile traitor. nah, that was a pretty big gently caress you of a letter. if that were decorum, there would be alot more asskissing and some garbage about "honor". well that seems like slightly less of cluster gently caress then a total withdraw in 60 days.
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Lightning Knight posted:
he is a legit simpleton who believes kim is his best loving friend because he whispered some poo poo about hotels in his ear. he would believe he is helping his friend.
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Jaxyon posted:Wow he totally ended the forever war. Donald the dove. Well until he starts another one in the hopes of upping his approval ratings.
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Jaxyon posted:Wow he totally ended the forever war. Donald the dove. Half is better than no withdrawals but Donald Trump continues to be incapable of executing even the policies of his that aren't aggressively self-destructive.
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Dec 21, 2018 02:32
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:well, probably a good first step would be to have a very clear conversation with edrogan and the kurds prior to any announcement to try to make clear what regional expectations are clear conversation about what? like, what are we gonna do when he laughs us out of the room? invade turkey? loving lol. turkey's already in nato, and in the process of joining the eu, they already have everything they want. are we gonna sanction our ally? the same one we let's security forces break up protests in the US? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LraNlv__AU4 like, what do you think happens when you lose a war? poo poo gets incredibly hosed up and its all our fault. we can't just "make everything cool before we go" cuz that would have been us winning the war in the first loving place. so the only other solution is indefinite occupation in hopes we can keep the situation frozen in time in hopes of a miracle cure somewhere down the road. its loving pathetic and i say gently caress that, end the wars right loving now and own our mistakes. let it reflect poorly on us and be an inescapable tragedy so that we and others can learn how loving stupid getting involved in those wars was in the first place
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Social Studies 3rd Period posted:https://twitter.com/CraigCaplan/status/1075918498554101760 Didn't Nancy 'expert vote-counter' Pelosi say they didn't have the votes for this? Are people just voting because they know it won't pass the Senate?
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Dec 21, 2018 02:34
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We've got great borders. They call it Misak-i-Milli. The best borders.
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Lightning Knight posted:I'm not convinced that the people of South Korea and Japan would actually let this happen, especially the latter, and China already has nukes. It would absolutely happen, as much as americans want to feverishly dream that the Koreans hate the Chinese with a frothing passion the most recent outrage D&D posters could dredge up against the korean people happened in the 17th century. Meanwhile the war crimes and occupation by Japan comparatively happened yesterday.
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Dec 21, 2018 02:35
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Arturo Ui posted:Didn't Nancy 'expert vote-counter' Pelosi say they didn't have the votes for this? Are people just voting because they know it won't pass the Senate? Yes. It's turned into a totally symbolic farewell vote for the GOP house.
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Social Studies 3rd Period posted:https://twitter.com/CraigCaplan/status/1075918498554101760 Pelosi doing her part and delivering 0 yes votes from her caucus.
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I wonder what the iconic photo of Kabul falling will be.
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Arturo Ui posted:Didn't Nancy 'expert vote-counter' Pelosi say they didn't have the votes for this? Are people just voting because they know it won't pass the Senate? It won’t pass the Senate with border wall money. Any Trump friendly bill that makes it out of the House dies in the Senate. Although, it all depends on Schumer actually keeping his spine intact and not selling CR votes for a pack of gum or something.
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:It would absolutely happen, as much as americans want to feverishly dream that the Koreans hate the Chinese with a frothing passion the most recent outrage D&D posters could dredge up against the korean people happened in the 17th century. I mean, nuclear proliferation is bad, but I don't think it should be our job to use American hard power to enforce nuclear non-proliferation across the planet. The cat is out of the bag, the post-war order is crumbling and arguably was dead in the water when 9/11 happened. It's not a question of "should we dismantle the post-war order," it's "what do we replace it with?"
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