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VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

Toobly posted:

Random thought but can someone explain why MAGA chuds are so against paying more taxes, something that could actually help fund border security, including a wall, but are willing to "donate" their money instead? I'd say "tax write off" but I don't think GoFundMe is tax deductible since it's technically a gift, not a donation.

my guess to the answer is "they're chuds"

They support taxes, but their whole lives right-wing propaganda has told them taxes are wasted on foreign aid and welfare for black people.

If you promised them a racist wall and socialism for whites only they'd vote for a 90% tax rate tomorrow (and have in the past), in fact if you go read any one of these yokel safari NYT/WaPo/HP/whoever articles where they interview farmers being bankrupted by the trade war they all say that sometimes you have to be willing to give up all your money and your livelihood for the good of the country.

It's the business wing of the GOP that hates taxes as a concept*, but they aren't the chuds donating to this wall either.

*Well I mean the business wing hates they themselves paying taxes as a concept, obviously they want taxes to fund their wars and bailouts and corporate welfare, they just want that tax money to come from the bottom 99%

VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 18:38 on Dec 21, 2018

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DaveWoo
Aug 14, 2004

Fun Shoe
https://twitter.com/kasie/status/1076168966912073728

HappyHippo
Nov 19, 2003
Do you have an Air Miles Card?

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

If those cancerous growths were discovered because she broke some ribs... wow. Talk about luck.

They were
https://twitter.com/stevenportnoy/status/1076167522993487873?s=20

Fritz Coldcockin
Nov 7, 2005

The Glumslinger posted:

Jeff Flake already said he won't come back to DC to vote for a bill with Wall funding, so if he gets literally every other republican, they're at 50

LOL at believing Jeff Flake will do anything that requires a spine, but if they do need 3/5 of the Senate they won't ever get it. Even if Manchin decides he wants to be "bipartisan" and cross the line to vote for it, they won't get it, and even if Sinema (assuming we go into shutdown and the new Congress is sworn in) does likewise, they STILL won't get it.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

eke out posted:

https://twitter.com/HallieJackson/status/1076165529793105921

a shutdown unlike anyone has ever seen! some are even saying the greatest shutdown ever

Very good, very cool, and very legal. Tremendous shutdown. We

Yeowch!!! My Balls!!!
May 31, 2006

sexpig by night posted:

again I must say it rules that because she got deeply, personally, angry at Obama telling her it'd be smart to retire under him while they had the senate and now we have to have a national panic attack every time an elderly woman has a health problem.

also seeing the people who will go to bat for Schumer making deals to fast-track conservative judges freak out over a nonagenarian not looking healthy

what, you know that courtesy of the design of the senate, and the democratic strategy of All Suburbia All The Time, republicans are going to have the supreme court for the foreseeable future. they're going to get those judges. why get worked up about it happening sooner?

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


https://twitter.com/DougHenwood/status/1076168366354849794

Fritz Coldcockin
Nov 7, 2005

By the way, folks--you will see Mitch McConnell vote nay on the final bill because he knows it will fail, not because he's against it. Voting nay allows him to bring it up again. Harry Reid used to do it all the time.

scopes
Jun 5, 2004
Here's hoping that GOP pissing contest that just happened in the WH was just a bunch of really frustrated senators sitting around a pissy, pouty Trump demanding a vote and them eventually just giving up and saying gently caress it alright, knowing it won't pass.

I hope every one of them is miserable and remain that way.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

If those cancerous growths were discovered because she broke some ribs... wow. Talk about luck.

I just assumed the ribs story was probably a cover for some testing/procedure that found this.

mango sentinel
Jan 5, 2001

by sebmojo

Dapper_Swindler posted:

he doesn't have the votes right?

like i know the dems are united at least.

He needs 60 unless he opts for the nuclear option which he does not want and likely still does not have the votes for.

Mr Ice Cream Glove
Apr 22, 2007

From CNN


quote:

Here's how many employees will work without pay:

420,000 government workers

41,000+ federal law enforcement and correctional officers

Tens of thousands of Customs and Border Protection agents and customs officers.

42,000 Coast Guard employees

These workers will be furloughed:

380,000 federal employees would be placed on furlough. Congress could move to order that furloughed employees be paid retroactively after the shutdown is over, but that is not guaranteed.

52,000 employees at the Internal Revenue Service.

Most of the staff at NASA, the National Park Service and the Department of Housing and Urban Development.


Darko
Dec 23, 2004

Toobly posted:

Random thought but can someone explain why MAGA chuds are so against paying more taxes, something that could actually help fund border security, including a wall, but are willing to "donate" their money instead? I'd say "tax write off" but I don't think GoFundMe is tax deductible since it's technically a gift, not a donation.

my guess to the answer is "they're chuds"

Public posturing is more important to them than actual things and results.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

i am curious if even the procedural vote will pass. probably but it be awesome if it didn't.

qkkl
Jul 1, 2013

by FactsAreUseless

Toobly posted:

Random thought but can someone explain why MAGA chuds are so against paying more taxes, something that could actually help fund border security, including a wall, but are willing to "donate" their money instead? I'd say "tax write off" but I don't think GoFundMe is tax deductible since it's technically a gift, not a donation.

my guess to the answer is "they're chuds"

The "could" is why. If it was "would", they'd be fine with more taxes.

Fritz Coldcockin
Nov 7, 2005
If I had to guess, this will end one of two ways:

1) Veto override. McConnell decides that he needs the government open and whips enough votes in the Senate, and a newly-crowned Speaker Pelosi does likewise in the House.

2) They agree to a clean CR in exchange for a separate vote on the $5B in border wall funding, which everyone except Trump knows will fail.

KickerOfMice
Jun 7, 2017

[/color]Keep firing, assholes![/color]

Spaceballs the custom title.
Fun Shoe

How the gently caress is HUD nonessential?

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

~but he was a moderating force~

Solaris 2.0
May 14, 2008

Your Taint posted:

If nuclear war happened tomorrow, the only three things left would be cockroaches, Twinkies, and RBG. She'll outlive all of us.

I'd argue Jimmy Carter as well dude survived brain cancer at like 90.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

scopes posted:

Here's hoping that GOP pissing contest that just happened in the WH was just a bunch of really frustrated senators sitting around a pissy, pouty Trump demanding a vote and them eventually just giving up and saying gently caress it alright, knowing it won't pass.

I hope every one of them is miserable and remain that way.

this. i think a decent amount of them are pissed over this poo poo and the syria/mattis shitshow, so i expect they will give him the finger.

Toobly
Feb 19, 2013

VitalSigns posted:

They support taxes, but their whole lives right-wing propaganda has told them taxes are wasted on foreign aid and welfare for black people.

If you promised them a racist wall and socialism for whites only they'd vote for a 90% tax rate tomorrow (and have in the past), in fact if you go read any one of these yokel safari NYT/WaPo/HP/whoever articles where they interview farmers being bankrupted by the trade war they all say that sometimes you have to be willing to give up all your money and your livelihood for the good of the country.

It's the business wing of the GOP that hates taxes as a concept, but they aren't the chuds donating to this wall either.

Ah, the good ol' American dream of moving out to Californ-ee-ay where all them jobs are at so you can have the government start a trade war and make you go bankrupt for the good of the country.

Ague Proof
Jun 5, 2014

they told me
I was everything

Nonsense posted:

RBG is dying. gently caress Trump.

In my opinion, court packing was absolutely necessary after Kavanaugh was seated. The only difference is how many seats they need to add.

Before that, there was a chance Clarence Thomas would decide it was unconstitutional for him to be on the Court and step down under a D president, so the stolen seat could be quietly ignored.

Ague Proof fucked around with this message at 18:44 on Dec 21, 2018

Numlock
May 19, 2007

The simplest seppo on the forums
Chuds would vote for full space communism right now if they thought only whites would benifit from it.

Ate My Balls Redux
Aug 2, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:

also seeing the people who will go to bat for Schumer making deals to fast-track conservative judges freak out over a nonagenarian not looking healthy

what, you know that courtesy of the design of the senate, and the democratic strategy of All Suburbia All The Time, republicans are going to have the supreme court for the foreseeable future. they're going to get those judges. why get worked up about it happening sooner?

Would you say "nothing matters?"

Arrgytehpirate
Oct 2, 2011

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!



KickerOfMice posted:

How the gently caress is HUD nonessential?

Poor people don’t matter, op

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.
https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1076169175851134976

https://twitter.com/jameshamblin/status/1076170204701442050

VH4Ever
Oct 1, 2005

by sebmojo

I really chafe at this characterization. He's not being lionized. I said this yesterday but I'll say it again: he can be a warmongering piece of poo poo AND a moderate voice in the literal Nazi insane asylum that is the Trump White House. I see absolutely zero contradiction there.

Ate My Balls Redux
Aug 2, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

KickerOfMice posted:

How the gently caress is HUD nonessential?

Some people actually choose to play Hardcore playlists which remove HUD entirely

The Glumslinger
Sep 24, 2008

Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?


Hair Elf
https://twitter.com/TaylorPopielarz/status/1075896157187031040

funkymonks
Aug 31, 2004

Pillbug

mango sentinel posted:

He needs 60 unless he opts for the nuclear option which he does not want and likely still does not have the votes for.

There is absolutely no chance the Senate kills the filibuster at this point for pissbaby's slats. If they didn't do it over the last two years when they could have passed meaningful legislation they sure as hell won't now with a Democratic house coming in.

TyroneGoldstein
Mar 30, 2005
85 and recovering from surgery. Yeesh. :(

Too Shy Guy
Jun 14, 2003


I have destroyed more of your kind than I can count.




I'm going to ask a potentially stupid-rear end question here but the term "war criminal" gets thrown around so much it's starting to lose meaning for me. These people who get flagged as war criminals, have they violated actual US or international laws? Is there a mechanism by which they should be prosecuted and sentenced, and if so what is the reason that mechanism is not used? Is there some way to trigger actual accountability if laws are being violated?

Ogmius815
Aug 25, 2005
centrism is a hell of a drug

VH4Ever posted:

I really chafe at this characterization. He's not being lionized. I said this yesterday but I'll say it again: he can be a warmongering piece of poo poo AND a moderate voice in the literal Nazi insane asylum that is the Trump White House. I see absolutely zero contradiction there.

These kinds of niceties are easily looked by people whose only real goals in political discussion involve proving how righteous they are and how impure everyone else is.

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009


Was gonna say, at 85 I'd almost be almost more worried about the convalescence after surgery than the cancer. Stay strong Justice Ginsberg.

galenanorth
May 19, 2016


Could you link to the article?

CAPS LOCK BROKEN
Feb 1, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

KickerOfMice posted:

How the gently caress is HUD nonessential?

HUD mostly exists now to shovel tax dollars into the hands of private developers and landlords, which depending on your perspective is not really an essential function of the government

VH4Ever posted:

I really chafe at this characterization. He's not being lionized. I said this yesterday but I'll say it again: he can be a warmongering piece of poo poo AND a moderate voice in the literal Nazi insane asylum that is the Trump White House. I see absolutely zero contradiction there.

Rommel was a warmongering piece of poo poo AND a moderate voice in the literal Nazi insane asylum too, is Rommel a good guy?

DrHammond
Nov 8, 2011


Current mood:

Xombie
May 22, 2004

Soul Thrashing
Black Sorcery
https://twitter.com/burgessev/status/1076171469141487616

Things going swimmingly for Mitch.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

VH4Ever posted:

I really chafe at this characterization. He's not being lionized. I said this yesterday but I'll say it again: he can be a warmongering piece of poo poo AND a moderate voice in the literal Nazi insane asylum that is the Trump White House. I see absolutely zero contradiction there.

he wasn't though, he was a bloodthirsty psycho

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Robot Hobo
May 18, 2002

robothobo.com

BonoMan posted:

I just assumed the ribs story was probably a cover for some testing/procedure that found this.
This is RBG we're talking about. The real story is probably that cancer walked into the wrong goddamn place, and her body was kicking cancer's rear end so hard that a couple ribs just got caught in the crossfire.

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