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Not that I felt any danger about the narrative and blame for the shutdown, but it is nice to see Republicans shutting it down to gently caress up the spin.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:basicaly he looked the other way with the haditha massacare when all the law enforcement types in the military said it was a massacre because he didn't want to damage the marines. plus the battles at fallujah wernt know for following ROE. so i wouldnt put him in "he ordered war crimes directly" but more looked the other way when they did happen and cared about his mens lives then civilians. i am not defending him by the way. The ROE was followed in Fallujah. I know people who were there. The ROE was “we warned them to get the gently caress out so if they’re there kill them.” Morally questionable? Wrong? Yes, probably. Illegal? No. Also find me a soldier or marine anywhere who gives more of a gently caress about any life than another soldier or marine.
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Dec 21, 2018 19:08
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Browsing random stuff for this on Twitter and seeing folks demanding RNC withhold campaign funds from Flake and Corker over this lol
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Dec 21, 2018 19:08
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mango sentinel posted:Browsing random stuff for this on Twitter and seeing folks demanding RNC withhold campaign funds from Flake and Corker over this lol ....wow. And you thought we all knew how stupid they are, they go and get stupider.
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Dec 21, 2018 19:09
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I know we don't care much for NeverTrumpers 'round these parts, but Flakencorker's votes are still useful ammunition against this being called a "Democrat shutdown". Especially since Trump is likely unable to keep quiet about dissenting Republican votes for the sake of his messaging.
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Dec 21, 2018 19:09
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Groovelord Neato posted:pretty much every postwar president would've been tried (and easily convicted) in the hague if international law had teeth. Isn't the US not a signatory to the international war crimes tribunal precisely because we don't want our generals tried there because ARE SOVEREIGNTY ?
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Dec 21, 2018 19:10
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I have also heard Dems killed the Green New Deal or are trying to. lol
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Dec 21, 2018 19:10
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Is there a live vote count anywhere? The Senate live stream is just bare video.
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Dec 21, 2018 19:11
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Arrgytehpirate posted:The ROE was followed in Fallujah. I know people who were there. The ROE was “we warned them to get the gently caress out so if they’re there kill them.” it probaly is illegal but that poo poo kinda goes out the window from a soldiers mind when the bullets are flying everywhere. its loving horrible but its war in general. the haditha massacare cover up poo poo though is inexcusable
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Dec 21, 2018 19:12
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Arrgytehpirate posted:The ROE was followed in Fallujah. I know people who were there. The ROE was “we warned them to get the gently caress out so if they’re there kill them.” Now, this folks, is how you win hearts and minds!
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Dec 21, 2018 19:12
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Gatts posted:I have also heard Dems killed the Green New Deal or are trying to. lol not really. they put a meh senator as the head who got some money from exxon at some poin in the last 12 years and they want a broader approach then just the green deal. if they competently kill it then gently caress em but it seems more of scary headline.
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Dec 21, 2018 19:13
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Do you think Trump himself knows Flake and Corker are retiring?
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Dec 21, 2018 19:14
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Arrgytehpirate posted:The ROE was followed in Fallujah. I know people who were there. The ROE was “we warned them to get the gently caress out so if they’re there kill them.” that...is not legal, no. Like, you can't just make your own rules and say 'actually we followed the rules'.
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Dec 21, 2018 19:14
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Gatts posted:I have also heard Dems killed the Green New Deal or are trying to. lol pretty much, Pelosi still sucks
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Arrgytehpirate posted:The ROE was followed in Fallujah. I know people who were there. The ROE was “we warned them to get the gently caress out so if they’re there kill them.” no question on that one, the war crime bit is the bit where the ROE "there is no such thing as a bad kill, in this inhabited metropolitan area" goes out. this invites comment and cries of Something Must Be Done when the blood-gargling psychopath who orders it has a different flag on his uniform, for some reason.
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Hand Row posted:Not that I felt any danger about the narrative and blame for the shutdown, but it is nice to see Republicans shutting it down to gently caress up the spin. It's a perfect capstone to Republican congressional rule: so goddam incompetent they can't even keep the government switched on
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Dec 21, 2018 19:15
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Vote currently to proceed marshmonkey posted:Is there a live vote count anywhere? The Senate live stream is just bare video. Just heard Manchin voted no on the stream, so current count according to CSPAN feed: Yes 33 No 43
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Dec 21, 2018 19:15
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sexpig by night posted:then stop playing this stupid 'well he was the least bad nazi at least' game! No one gives a gently caress! He should be loving hanged with the rest of them and it doesn't matter who was the least horrific war criminal! You're an absolute moron if you can't confound that Mattis, despite all his warts, was delaying or preventing some of Trump's stupidest impulses. It's going to become a lot more apparent in the next six months. But go on, continue patting yourself on the back for your edgelord posting.
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Dec 21, 2018 19:16
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Dapper_Swindler posted:pretty much. all of the german command was terrible. hell even the dudes trying to kill hitler on the 20th were just pissed off right wingers/monarchists that were pissed that hitler was losing the war and wanted to team up with the allies against the soviets. rommel got a pass from people because west germany needed some military hero that wasn't a outright baby eater and he was the closest they could find. Claus von Stauffenberg (the one they made the movie about staring Tom Cruise) was cool and good with German expansionism and enslaving the Poles. quote:Stauffenberg said, "It is essential that we begin a systemic colonization in Poland. But I have no fear that this will not occur".[14] As with all the other plotters, they really only turned on Hitler when the Germans began losing the war. They were not good people.
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Dec 21, 2018 19:16
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tomapot posted:Just heard Manchin voted no on the stream, so current count is: did we win?
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Solaris 2.0 posted:Claus von Stauffenberg (the one they made the movie about staring Tom Cruise) was cool and good with German expansionism and enslaving the Poles. thats what i said. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophie_Scholl she is good though.
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Handsome Ralph posted:You're an absolute moron if you can't confound that Mattis, despite all his warts, was delaying or preventing some of Trump's stupidest impulses. It's going to become a lot more apparent in the next six months. again the literal one 'proof' of this was a completely unverified story about how Trump was sooooo gonna have Assad killed but then good ol reasonable Mad Dog told him no no let's just help blow up a few hospitals and poo poo.
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Dec 21, 2018 19:17
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sexpig by night posted:then stop playing this stupid 'well he was the least bad nazi at least' game! No one gives a gently caress! He should be loving hanged with the rest of them and it doesn't matter who was the least horrific war criminal! Nobody is playing that game except in your head
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Dec 21, 2018 19:18
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Dapper_Swindler posted:thats what i said. Oh yea sorry I wasn't arguing against you, just adding to what you said. I should have been more clear.
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Dec 21, 2018 19:18
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trumps live on CNN. he is bragging about the house vote.
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Dec 21, 2018 19:19
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theflyingorc posted:Nobody is playing that game except in your head the conversation was literally 'liberals are lionizing Mattis' 'I resent that no we aren't I just think he was the least bad nazi' 'that doesn't matter' 'it does'.
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Dec 21, 2018 19:19
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Dapper_Swindler posted:thats what i said. The only good ww2-era German . . . is a dead German?
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Arrgytehpirate posted:Also find me a soldier or marine anywhere who gives more of a gently caress about any life than another soldier or marine. drat what a great defense, the Nazis could have used you as counsel at Nuremburg! "Were they really people, not to any true brother-loving nation-honoring Wehrmacht they weren't, defense rests"
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Dec 21, 2018 19:19
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Dapper_Swindler posted:trumps live on CNN. he is bragging about the house vote. Is he going to throw another kegger in the Rose Garden?
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Handsome Ralph posted:You're an absolute moron if you can't confound that Mattis, despite all his warts, was delaying or preventing some of Trump's stupidest impulses. It's going to become a lot more apparent in the next six months. the guy characterizing a couple of massacres as "warts" accuses someone else of being an edgelord loving lol
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Solaris 2.0 posted:Oh yea sorry I wasn't arguing against you, just adding to what you said. I should have been more clear. its fine. like yeah, i think they should be respected for trying to kill the fucker but they wern't doing it "for freedom" or whatever.
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Dec 21, 2018 19:19
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Xombie posted:Is he going to throw another kegger in the Rose Garden? he is talking about the shutdown now and how its probable and how thats fine because hur dur dumbshit.
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Dec 21, 2018 19:20
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sexpig by night posted:the conversation was literally 'liberals are lionizing Mattis' 'I resent that no we aren't I just think he was the least bad nazi' 'that doesn't matter' 'it does'. It wasn't and it still isn't.
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:the guy characterizing a couple of massacres as "warts" accuses someone else of being an edgelord whomst among us hasn't ordered people to go block by block gunning down anyone that moves
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Dec 21, 2018 19:21
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Dapper_Swindler posted:he is talking about the shutdown now and how its probable and how thats fine because hur dur dumbshit. Gonna watch this simultaneously with the CSPAN feed so I can see if they let him know live if it fails to even proceed. edit: Lol, "IT'S REALLY THE DEMOCRATS' SHUTDOWN"
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Dec 21, 2018 19:21
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Xombie posted:Gonna watch this simultaneously with the CSPAN feed so I can see if they let him know live if it fails to even proceed. I think this is old from earlier before the vote
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Dec 21, 2018 19:22
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I'm seeing mixed reports on whether Corker actually voted No or is "non-committal" but saying a lot of words about how the mighty have fallen and whatnot. Doesn't look great for them either way I suppose.
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Trump fans are distracting themselves from how mad they are about it failing by ignoring it and talking about RBG. Or pretending it's actually a good thing.bobjr posted:Do you think Trump himself knows Flake and Corker are retiring? He made them retire.
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Dec 21, 2018 19:22
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Xombie posted:Gonna watch this simultaneously with the CSPAN feed so I can see if they let him know live if it fails to even proceed. he is just such a loving child, repeating the same poo poo over and over again like a loving lucky rabbits foot.
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:the guy characterizing a couple of massacres as "warts" accuses someone else of being an edgelord It's a figure of speech, you loving moron. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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