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Z. Autobahn posted:How does Jones voting YES give them the talking point that it's a Dem shutdown any more than all Dems voting to block it? a lot of people in this thread are of the mindset republicans always win no matter what and need to fit reality to figuring out how that will be.
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Retro42 posted:This is just the Senate getting to "Can we at least get to the part where we get to talk about how dumb this is" isnt it. sounds like it yea they're just taking it off the docket and saying 'yea this is gonna fail but let's get it over with so we can work something else out'
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eke out posted:i saw someone here suggesting, based on back of envelope math, it'd take roughly all the steel produced in the world for two full years to merely get materials for this plan I believe that was for slats that were flat steel reinforcing things for a fence that one might fairly call slats, and not freestanding pointy flagpoles dense enough to block people and that also cannot deflect enough to trivially allow passage if you climb them a bit (lol).
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:Maybe everyone just got tired of waiting and they wanted to speed it to the floor so it would get voted down. nah it got proved there's not even a majority for THE WALL in the Senate, and not even close to 60 votes. the "deal" here is just to run through all the procedural hurdles so once one side caves you can open the government ASAP but nobody's caving right now. they won't vote down the house bill because they're going to amend it and punt it back to the house once they're ready to reopen
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eke out posted:they got him with the same bullshit they got flake on well that's sorta comforting. at least it will die on the floor then instead of aborted.
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evilweasel posted:nah it got proved there's not even a majority for THE WALL in the Senate, and not even close to 60 votes. so they are just hoping the house makes a clean bill and trump will be forced to cave.
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eke out posted:i saw someone here suggesting, based on back of envelope math, it'd take roughly all the steel produced in the world for two full years to merely get materials for this plan Hahaha no. That’s some poo poo math. Source: I build the existing steel border fence and estimate poo poo like this for a living.
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Usually when democrats cave its because their corporate donors also benefit from the terrible republican policies. I'd be really shocked if they caved on this, which benefits no one...
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eyebeem posted:Hahaha no. That’s some poo poo math. How much should it cost, then
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eke out posted:they got him with the same bullshit they got flake on ...ow, my head  What does this even mean? Does this mean "vote to get it onto the floor so we can vote it down and go home"?
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Ghetto SuperCzar posted:Usually when democrats cave its because their corporate donors also benefit from the terrible republican policies. yep. the donnor class and pretty much everyone who isn't a super chud, hate THE WALL for various reasons. its not gonna happen and its super dead when January hits.
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Bat-wielding thug huh...? quote:SHARON !!!
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Ghetto SuperCzar posted:Usually when democrats cave its because their corporate donors also benefit from the terrible republican policies. What did they cave on? Who loving cares if the thing goes to the floor to die vs dying in process. Literally nobody but this thread will give a poo poo even tomorrow. Edit: Misread and thought this was a dems bad because they caved post.
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:...ow, my head They are going to vote it down and amend it, then bump it back to the House so Trump and the House Fuckwit Caucus own it
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eyebeem posted:Hahaha no. That’s some poo poo math. well don't just claim you know the answer without sharing with us how much steel does it take to put 25 foot spears the entire length of the border
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Ok, so they did it to pressure to House to stop loving around. Pussy-rear end Tuesday Group Republicans need to tell the HFC to go gently caress themselves and just caucus with the Ds on a veto-proof majority for a clean CR. They are letting these 20-something assholes destroy them and this is their chance to put them in their place.
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:...ow, my head the bill now can go to the senate floor. This bill as it is won't pass, so they're gonna try to amend it in a way that compromises and then punt it back to the house for THEIR approval. Shutdown is comin
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:...ow, my head sorta. the bill is dead in the water but they want it out of procedure so they can clean it up(probably remove the wall poo poo) and send it back to the house.
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sexpig by night posted:the bill now can go to the senate floor. This bill as it is won't pass, so they're gonna try to amend it in a way that compromises and then punt it back to the house for THEIR approval. Shutdown is comin and if it goes into next year(which it will) the house will rip the wall part out.
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Just lol if you think that Pelosi or Schumer are in a compromising mood. Pelosi in particular has been savage lately, but they both obviously smell blood in the water and clearly have been extra harsh ever since their meeting with trump.
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:...ow, my head the agreement, to hear them tell it, is that the house bill is only coming to the floor because it will not be staying as the house bill for $5B, it'll be altered significantly to the point democrats can support it - and the whole process will be much faster if they let it through this hurdle now, if the goal is to avoid a shutdown if it does stay as the $5B giveaway it's dead-on-arrival anyways, there's not a chance in hell to reach 60
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Dapper_Swindler posted:and if it goes into next year(which it will) the house will rip the wall part out. yea unless someone caves soon this is gonna be pretty well locked in for a shutdown that lasts until the new term, in which case the newly flipped house will probably tear out any amendments and send a clean CR back.
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Told you earlier about Jones being a possible flake.
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When does this session of Congress officially end?
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Told you earlier about Jones being a possible flake. I, uh...I don't think he is.
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do you think the wall will be a key feature of trump's 2020 campaign 'ill do it this time guys'
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eke out posted:the agreement, to hear them tell it, is that the house bill is only coming to the floor because it will not be staying as the house bill for $5B, it'll be altered significantly to the point democrats can support it - and the whole process will be much faster if they let it through this hurdle now, if the goal is to avoid a shutdown my guess is they will take out the wall spending and up spending on CBP type poo poo like they did last time.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Just lol if you think that Pelosi or Schumer are in a compromising mood. Pelosi in particular has been savage lately, but they both obviously smell blood in the water and clearly have been extra harsh ever since their meeting with trump. Pelosi whipping up a discharge petition to force a vote on the clean bill (which would pass) and force trump to actually veto it is my favorite unlikely scenario to imagine happening.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Told you earlier about Jones being a possible flake. he flaked and screw him for making this easier for these ghouls in any way but it really isn't a meaningful flake.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:so they are just hoping the house makes a clean bill and trump will be forced to cave. nah this isn't about anyone hoping for a specific result. it's basically an agreement that "these votes are dumb and we're gonna want to reopen the government asap once we finally have a deal, so get this to the floor but we don't vote on it until we have something that's gonna pass and become law asap" republicans can pretend to believe what will pass will be T H E W A L L while dems know what's eventually going to pass is no wall, but maybe there's a differennt CR length or something like that. at a minimum it'll need to be amended to provide for back pay. either way, once someone caves you want a vote ASAP because nobody wants the shutdown to continue longer. whatever it is, it'll get passed via a snap amendment vote then a snap vote, punted back to the house with a minimum of fuss. nobody expects the house to just pass a clean bill while they wait
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Shifty Pony posted:Pelosi whipping up a discharge petition to force a vote on the clean bill (which would pass) and force trump to actually veto it is my favorite unlikely scenario to imagine happening. iirc discharge petition takes 30 days
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sexpig by night posted:he flaked and screw him for making this easier for these ghouls in any way but it really isn't a meaningful flake. Oh I know.
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evilweasel posted:nah this isn't about anyone hoping for a specific result. it's basically an agreement that "these votes are dumb and we're gonna want to reopen the government asap once we finally have a deal, so get this to the floor but we don't vote on it until we have something that's gonna pass and become law asap" no i meant that the govement will shut down long enough that whatever they boot to the house will be torn apart by the new house dems.
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yeah this is basically a concise summation https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1076250178028482560 the bill is a husk that will be hollowed out and filled with whatever agreement they get during the shutdown.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i am honestly surprised he is smart enough to understand passive aggressiveness. When Jared read it to him he used a really snotty voice for the appropriate parts. My man can't read, folks.
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Endorph posted:do you think the wall will be a key feature of trump's 2020 campaign His 2020 campaign will be one long, ceaseless, agonized wail
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