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On the bright side, this world seems to have completely failed to write any treaties or protocols articulating what constitutes humanitarian treatment in war, so we are only war criminals in the normative sense.
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catlord posted:It's the justification for Stellaris: everybody else realises that abandoning Earth to Al-Andalus is probably the only way to ensure humanity's continued survival, and so we become the world government by default. You know drat well that Morocco would rather destroy the planet than let us win. And the feeling is assuredly mutual. 
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Dec 20, 2018 16:22
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They might exile us offworld though, that I could buy
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Dec 20, 2018 16:23
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Staltran posted:It's to be expected in a bloody civil war, really. Or any war, but no one makes a big deal of millions of people starving in the Thirty Years War. Besides It's less the Holodomor and more the 1921-22 famine that was mostly a result of 7 years of world war and revolution and civil war destroying the Russian economy and also what scarce food was available all being redirected to the various armies involved.
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Dec 20, 2018 18:29
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I saw my share of people whiteknighting totalitarian communist regimes, but usually those regimes actually existed. It rarely happens that people bother to defend the honor of an imaginary dictator and point out that maybe he starved some imaginary people, but at least defeated some imaginary fascists.
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Dec 20, 2018 19:20
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win or lose, i hope there are some international war crime tribunals at the end of this debacle
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Gantolandon posted:I saw my share of people whiteknighting totalitarian communist regimes, but usually those regimes actually existed. It rarely happens that people bother to defend the honor of an imaginary dictator and point out that maybe he starved some imaginary people, but at least defeated some imaginary fascists. I wonder how you say Kulak in Andalusi?
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Dec 20, 2018 20:06
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Dunno about international tribunals, but apparently there was a world cup in the completely-occupied Ibriz at the height of the Great War - should probably add a couple triggers for that event.
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Hashim posted:Dunno about international tribunals, but apparently there was a world cup in the completely-occupied Ibriz at the height of the Great War -
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Dec 20, 2018 20:17
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If a player takes a dive, they better be actually shot or gassd. Or else 
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Dec 20, 2018 21:02
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I know the flavor text says otherwise but I want to believe that New England is the host country and they chose to hold it in occupied Ibriz just to style on everyone
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Dec 20, 2018 21:05
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Pakled posted:I know the flavor text says otherwise but I want to believe that New England is the host country and they chose to hold it in occupied Ibriz just to style on everyone Ibriz being the host country, and Novanglo troops and dignitaries allowing the Cup to proceed but being present on every street corner just to throw their weight around, is also pretty good imo.
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Dec 20, 2018 21:32
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Gantolandon posted:I saw my share of people whiteknighting totalitarian fascist regimes, but usually those regimes actually existed. It rarely happens that people bother to defend the honor of an imaginary fascist coup and point out that maybe they terrorized, brutalized, and murdered some imaginary people, but at least they were doing it to fight some imaginary communists.
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Gantolandon posted:I saw my share of people whiteknighting totalitarian communist regimes, but usually those regimes actually existed. It rarely happens that people bother to defend the honor of an imaginary dictator and point out that maybe he starved some imaginary people, but at least defeated some imaginary fascists. People always get attached to the country that's being played.
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Gantolandon posted:I saw my share of people whiteknighting totalitarian communist regimes, but usually those regimes actually existed. It rarely happens that people bother to defend the honor of an imaginary dictator and point out that maybe he starved some imaginary people, but at least defeated some imaginary fascists. Yeah, I'm gonna have to point out that rebel whack-a-mole and the whole colonialism/Khedive business are things beyond our control because they are either in game systems or party limits and penalties set up by Hashim. Fighting the facists, on the other hand, was a thread vote, so it should not surprise you that people are gonna defend that position, in the same vein that people defended the m̶o̶d̶e̶r̶n̶i̶z̶e̶r̶s̶ moderates, liberals, and even the monarchists, that one time they got elected. Also, it's 2018
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I can't wait for us to win the World Cup, our only victory as our entire country is burned to the ground by the victorious powers in the great war
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GSD posted:I can't wait for us to win the World Cup, our only victory as our entire country is burned to the ground by the victorious powers in the great war future historians will attribute the unusually harsh terms of this war's peace treaty to the iberian union;'s upset victory over morocco in the finals QuoProQuid fucked around with this message at 02:42 on Dec 21, 2018 |
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I like that this game's version of the Christmas Truce is an officially sanctioned international grudge match held in the rotting carcass of a defeated power.
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Dance Officer posted:"Starving millions to death is not worth remarking on" R. Guyovitch is posting in lets play now?
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How widespread is tank use at this point? I'm kind of bemused at the thought of future wehraboos insisting that Dual-Monarchy armor was actually superior and the Beninese merely employed the dastardly tactic of proper logistics or something.
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Dec 21, 2018 16:59
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Which came first, Andalusi tanks or Andalusi tankies?
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Grammarchist posted:How widespread is tank use at this point? I'm kind of bemused at the thought of future wehraboos insisting that Dual-Monarchy armor was actually superior and the Beninese merely employed the dastardly tactic of proper logistics or something. It's still just the early 20's so I assume we're talking at best some Whippets and Renault FT's filling in for cavalry while a handful of not-Mark IV's are mixed in with infantry, not WWII-era tanks and the associated mass armor tactics.
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I know it's probably not modeled at all in-game, but every country had really wildly different tanks. The dinky renault, the sci-fi Mark V, and the godforsaken beetle that the Germans had. Inspired by Benin's efforts, Al Andalus develops the Tsar tank.
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Grammarchist posted:How widespread is tank use at this point? I'm kind of bemused at the thought of future wehraboos insisting that Dual-Monarchy armor was actually superior and the Beninese merely employed the dastardly tactic of proper logistics or something. Not that widespread, but Benin has a bunch, and Morocco and Russia have a few as well. We're recruiting around 20 tank regiments at the moment, which I might send south to aid in the Beninese advance on Marrakesh.
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Hashim posted:Not that widespread, but Benin has a bunch, and Morocco and Russia have a few as well. We're recruiting around 20 tank regiments at the moment, which I might send south to aid in the Beninese advance on Marrakesh. I thought our navy got wiped out. Did I miss something?
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Flavius Aetass posted:I thought our navy got wiped out. Did I miss something? Yeah it was, but vicky AI also sucks, so they're bound to leave the straits unguarded at some point. The drawback is that we might get stuck in Africa, which wouldn't be great if things went south down there.
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Dec 21, 2018 18:00
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Crazycryodude posted:It's still just the early 20's so I assume we're talking at best some Whippets and Renault FT's filling in for cavalry while a handful of not-Mark IV's are mixed in with infantry, not WWII-era tanks and the associated mass armor tactics. You vastly underestimate our Benin allies. 
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Dec 21, 2018 18:20
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It's beautiful.
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Ikasuhito posted:You vastly underestimate our Benin allies. I love how Benin have become the heroes of the LP because we've become such unambiguous villains. Go Benin! I'd say we should play as them instead, but we'd probably just ruin them.
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Iberian literature is probably dark as poo poo. Were more Russian than this timelines Russia lmao
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I was about to say "at least we've largely avoided ethnic and religious purges" but then I remembered the time that the Mahdi took over a tremendous chunk of the heartland 
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I say we swap to Benin, so we can make arbitrary decisions and ruin them just like we’ve done with al Andalus
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I look forward to the vote for which smoldering crater partitioned off the late Al-Andalus Hashim will take control of for the final decade of the game.
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Super Jay Mann posted:I look forward to the vote for which smoldering crater partitioned off the late Al-Andalus Hashim will take control of for the final decade of the game. The one centered around Qadis obviously.
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loving love Fiona Apple posted:The one centered around Qadis obviously. I have to imagine Morocco isn't going to want a strong state in southern Iberia. I think the most likely thing for Qadis is becoming a city-state under under Moroccan protection (with Morocco occupying Jabal Tariq) or an international city.
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loving love Fiona Apple posted:The one centered around Qadis obviously. qadis will be the one that's literally hitler literally
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loving love Fiona Apple posted:I love how Benin have become the heroes of the LP because we've become such unambiguous villains. Go Benin! I'd say we should play as them instead, but we'd probably just ruin them. I was roleplaying as a bad guy when I was all about the Taifas. Killing monarchs and aristocrats is a moral act.
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