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having troops in this part of the middle east, deployed in the exact manner i want and doing the exact things i want is going to work out great. they also won't murder civilians and rape them and stuff like that because i said so. look at all the other times it worked out like that:
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Holyshoot posted:nahhh. too busy keeping up with the Kardashians. lol
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steinrokkan posted:Well, I guess there is a certain dissonance This central conceit is funniest part about the whole thing when people argue about it, in D&D especially, it's all just talk lol. Totally worthless. Only one persons opinion matters 
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Venezuelans are a failed people, now the troops are free to liberate them.
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Nonsense posted:Venezuelans are a failed people, now the troops are free to liberate them.  edit: oh you changed it to be more obviously a joke, jk.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Your fever is definitely loving with you. What I mean about Kirkuk is what happened a year ago after Barzani's independence referendum in Iraqi Kurdistan. The Iraqi Army and Shia militias moved to retake Kirkuk since it's an Arab-majority city and the Peshmerga immediately fled without much of a fight. That's easy. Afrin was not easy no matter how much somebody may want to spin it otherwise, and the YPG in Afrin was much more poorly armed and supplied than Rojava. This articles of your comparison are so wildly different from each other as to make its attempted image nonsensical.
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reading this thread as a former YPG volunteer is infuriating. if you think a Turkish invasion of Rojava will go as “well” as Afrin, (“going well” in this case is classified as T-FSA occupiers getting constantly merked everyday by Kurdish guerrillas in the minds of this threads posters I guess) you’re a goddamn moron. also US troops stationed there were definitely a positive. I know it’s cool and edgy to portray them all as a roving band of rapists but all they did was hang out in oil fields and deter invasion from a bunch of smaller psychopaths. pretty much every military operation was done by either Kurds or Arabs in one of the myriad militias in the SDF and they’re definitely not a bunch of psycho baby killers. In short, kiss my grits noobs.
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also even if turkish invasion would be a terrible idea for turkey is it at all clear that erdogan realizes that?
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Muscle Wizard posted:having troops in this part of the middle east, deployed in the exact manner i want and doing the exact things i want is going to work out great. they also won't murder civilians and rape them and stuff like that because i said so. look at all the other times it worked out like that: it was working out in this instance already StashAugustine posted:also even if turkish invasion would be a terrible idea for turkey is it at all clear that erdogan realizes that? NO turkish invasion is probably bad for Erdogan, Personally so I'm not sure it really matters whether erdogan realizes that.
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Well the argument is: 1 us withdraw means Turkey could invade 2 invasion would be a bloody quagmire anyway 3 therefore turkey won't invade Even if 2 is correct there's a possibility erdogan miscalculated and starts a bloody quagmire- one the Kurds might win but one that would still cause a lot to death and misery
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Turkey is gonna invade lmao. They are fascist as gently caress, and leaving Rojava on the table is incomprehensible to them.
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Trump pulling the US out of all of the middle east is also good for climate change
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Willie Tomg posted:there are specifically two groups in the world who have proven able to stand up to organized armies fielding well-supplied tank columns and without air support You're forgetting some dudes in Lebanon. But yeah, the SDF seems to be rather low on anti-air stuff and unless the coke sheikh dropped them a container ship full of manpads and bonesaws this hasn't changed and the Turks can fly about ithout a care in the world. HorrificExistence posted:Under the most conservative estimates the SDF lost 3 times as many as the TFSA in Afrin. And that was the most fortified part of Rojava. Which is a worse ratio than Israel's loss in Lebanon. Of course, no one in Turkey cares if their mercs die. But really, the Kurds have been pretty hosed since the coup in Turkey. Earlier the Turks and Russians were pretty hostile and the latter kept pushing Assad to not be an rear end about the Kurds. Afterwards they kissed and made up and now its open season.
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As an european i'm conflicted. The Us leaving is good news but the kurds are the only faction in all this mess that seems sympathetic and this places them in a precarious position. Was there any disposition in the US troops mandate about specifically protecting the kurdish regions? Or was their presence simply incidental ? Also what are the kurdish options now? It seems that the only course is preparing for a ordained retreat into clandestinity once again.
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Kefahuchi_son!!! posted:It seems that the only course is preparing for a ordained retreat into clandestinity once again. lmao
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psychofishhead posted:reading this thread as a former YPG volunteer is infuriating. if you think a Turkish invasion of Rojava will go as “well” as Afrin, (“going well” in this case is classified as T-FSA occupiers getting constantly merked everyday by Kurdish guerrillas in the minds of this threads posters I guess) you’re a goddamn moron. also US troops stationed there were definitely a positive. I know it’s cool and edgy to portray them all as a roving band of rapists but all they did was hang out in oil fields and deter invasion from a bunch of smaller psychopaths. pretty much every military operation was done by either Kurds or Arabs in one of the myriad militias in the SDF and they’re definitely not a bunch of psycho baby killers. What's gonna happen in Afrin incidentally if Turkey goes ahead with their whole 'to the euphrates and beyond' ottoman ambition? How is the YPG going to ship volunteers in this time?
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Kurnugia posted:What's gonna happen in Afrin incidentally if Turkey goes ahead with their whole 'to the euphrates and beyond' ottoman ambition? How is the YPG going to ship volunteers in this time? Probably continue with the turkification of Afrin that we’re seeing now + grappling with a Kurdish insurgency. As long as the PKK/other Kurdish groups still control the other parts of Kurdistan around Rojava and there’s not much Turkish presence, they can still bring in volunteers. I probably shouldn’t say too much though even though it’s mostly an open secret 🤐
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To be clear i was talking about the kurds, not the Us. But yeah, with the aid of my broken english, it's probably a laughable sentence.
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can we dissolve nato now
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reignonyourparade posted:it was working out in this instance already we (americans) thought it was working out every other single time we put troops on foreign soil so please forgive me if i'm skeptical about this particular instance.
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my favorite US troops moment is when we stationed a bunch of marines in lebanon
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Muscle Wizard posted:we (americans) thought it was working out every other single time we put troops on foreign soil so please forgive me if i'm skeptical about this particular instance. it will be an interesting experiment, for sure
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who is president of america again? i forgot
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Flavahbeast posted:it will be an interesting experiment, for sure 
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i get blowing off steam about america in a sympathetic place but you’re like 3 steps behind if you’re theorycrafting the best of all possible worlds where The Troops were staying to protect rojava
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Kurnugia posted:'to the euphrates and beyond' ottoman ambition it's about time somebody in the region started showing a little ambition
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steinrokkan posted:Well, I guess there is a certain dissonance if you're in canada, britain or western europe you're part of the american empire too, bitch
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1994 Toyota Celica posted:if you're in canada, britain or western europe you're part of the american empire too, bitch Yup, western europe is definitely under the thumb of America. I'm positive in 300 years we'll have maps that shade them in the same color. People are learning english there at a faster rate than Latin during the Roman empire.
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1994 Toyota Celica posted:if you're in canada, britain or western europe you're part of the american empire too, bitch All First World nations are part of a community that benefits directly from global imperialism. The prosperity of countries like Japan and Sweden depend on the global security regime created by NATO, and how it allows us to extract resources and labor at cut rates.
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psychofishhead posted:Probably continue with the turkification of Afrin that we’re seeing now + grappling with a Kurdish insurgency. As long as the PKK/other Kurdish groups still control the other parts of Kurdistan around Rojava and there’s not much Turkish presence, they can still bring in volunteers. I probably shouldn’t say too much though even though it’s mostly an open secret 🤐 I'm just saying that imho they gotta get AA missiles in from someone if they wanna hold Rojava, and there aren't too many people with those handy. For export into Rojava anyway. if you have sum aa missiles for sale btw i got som bearded friends handy howd be rly hard for buy
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ive heard some american military grunts and officers are sentimentally upset about abandoning the kurds, maybe they misplaced some AA equipment before they hoofed it
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psychofishhead posted:Probably continue with the turkification of Afrin that we’re seeing now + grappling with a Kurdish insurgency. As long as the PKK/other Kurdish groups still control the other parts of Kurdistan around Rojava and there’s not much Turkish presence, they can still bring in volunteers. I probably shouldn’t say too much though even though it’s mostly an open secret 🤐 Were you one of the propaganda volunteer westerners who never saw action and probably knows very little
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:All First World nations are part of a community that benefits directly from global imperialism. The prosperity of countries like Japan and Sweden depend on the global security regime created by NATO, and how it allows us to extract resources and labor at cut rates. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2sqdudEle4
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stil lol'ing at tacitly announcing withdrawal from afghanistan literally while the taliban and the government are meeting for peace negotiations just lmbo
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Jose posted:Were you one of the propaganda volunteer westerners who never saw action and probably knows very little I was one of the ones who had to deal with constant sniper/mortar fire and my friends getting maimed by ieds but by all means don’t let that get in the way of being a snarky dipshit
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