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Cold on a Cob: Feb 6, 2006; i've seen so much, i'm going blind
and i'm brain dead virtually; College Slice

havelock posted:

C# is verbose, but you get useful info from it (along with the garbage)

code:

public async Task<int> GetInt() { await Task.Delay(500); throw new InvalidOperationException("oops"); return 5; }
public async Task<int> GetInt2() { var result = await GetInt(); return result; }
public async Task<int> GetInt3() { var result = await GetInt2(); return result; }
try { var x = await GetInt3(); } catch(Exception ex) { Console.WriteLine(ex.StackTrace); }

in the REPL gives you

pre:

at Submission#0.<GetInt>d__1.MoveNext()
--- End of stack trace from previous location where exception was thrown ---
   at System.Runtime.ExceptionServices.ExceptionDispatchInfo.Throw()
   at System.Runtime.CompilerServices.TaskAwaiter.HandleNonSuccessAndDebuggerNotification(Task task)
   at System.Runtime.CompilerServices.TaskAwaiter`1.GetResult()
   at Submission#1.<GetInt2>d__1.MoveNext()
--- End of stack trace from previous location where exception was thrown ---
   at System.Runtime.ExceptionServices.ExceptionDispatchInfo.Throw()
   at System.Runtime.CompilerServices.TaskAwaiter.HandleNonSuccessAndDebuggerNotification(Task task)
   at System.Runtime.CompilerServices.TaskAwaiter`1.GetResult()
   at Submission#2.<GetInt3>d__1.MoveNext()
--- End of stack trace from previous location where exception was thrown ---
   at System.Runtime.ExceptionServices.ExceptionDispatchInfo.Throw()
   at System.Runtime.CompilerServices.TaskAwaiter.HandleNonSuccessAndDebuggerNotification(Task task)
   at System.Runtime.CompilerServices.TaskAwaiter`1.GetResult()
   at Submission#4.<<Initialize>>d__0.MoveNext()

It looks like the auto-generated state machine stuff at least uses the real method name in its name so you can see what has happened.

Check this out:
https://github.com/benaadams/Ben.Demystifier

example:

# ? Dec 22, 2018 17:27

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# ? May 24, 2024 23:23

echinopsis: Apr 13, 2004; by Fluffdaddy

part of using django to do what im doing is diving into the command prompt on this mac but tell me is the built in terminal a piece of poo poo and do most people use a new one or wat

# ? Dec 22, 2018 20:38

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

echinopsis posted:

part of using django to do what im doing is diving into the command prompt on this mac but tell me is the built in terminal a piece of poo poo and do most people use a new one or wat

most people use iterm2 but it's had some security issues in the past. i've heard the default terminal is fine but i've never tried to get it setup. i don't think it's terrible but i'm not really a stickler. (also ask this in the terrible programmer thread not in this one).

# ? Dec 22, 2018 20:39

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

echinopsis posted:

part of using django to do what im doing is diving into the command prompt on this mac but tell me is the built in terminal a piece of poo poo and do most people use a new one or wat

Could be worse, early OS X defaulted to tcsh.

# ? Dec 22, 2018 21:01

Vomik: Jul 29, 2003; This post is dedicated to the brave Mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan

echinopsis posted:

part of using django to do what im doing is diving into the command prompt on this mac but tell me is the built in terminal a piece of poo poo and do most people use a new one or wat

alacritty for 24bit color support but if you don�t need that terminal is great

# ? Dec 22, 2018 21:09

pokeyman: Nov 26, 2006; That elephant ate my entire platoon.

terminal.app suits my needs

# ? Dec 22, 2018 21:11

carry on then: Jul 10, 2010; by VideoGames
(and can't post for 10 years!)

DONT THREAD ON ME posted:

most people use iterm2 but it's had some security issues in the past. i've heard the default terminal is fine but i've never tried to get it setup. i don't think it's terrible but i'm not really a stickler. (also ask this in the terrible programmer thread not in this one).

lmao �most people� absolutely do not

# ? Dec 22, 2018 21:11

animist: Aug 28, 2018

I use terminal.app plus fish because I like not being able to paste things I copied from stackoverflow without syntax errors

# ? Dec 22, 2018 21:24

Soricidus: Oct 21, 2010; freedom-hating statist shill

I use iterm2 but I�m not sure why I bother because the default terminal was fine too. I guess it seemed like a good idea at the time

# ? Dec 22, 2018 21:26

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

Terminal.app is fine, especially if you set a couple preferences (option as meta mainly)

if you really want to use an alternative terminal use Cathode.app and make it all cool and retro

# ? Dec 22, 2018 21:51

echinopsis: Apr 13, 2004; by Fluffdaddy

DONT THREAD ON ME posted:

most people use iterm2 but it's had some security issues in the past. i've heard the default terminal is fine but i've never tried to get it setup. i don't think it's terrible but i'm not really a stickler. (also ask this in the terrible programmer thread not in this one).

oh yeah lol I thought about which thread to ask in and decided on the other one.. which is why I clearly posted in this one

# ? Dec 22, 2018 21:52

Achmed Jones: Oct 16, 2004

Soricidus posted:

I use iterm2 but I�m not sure why I bother because the default terminal was fine too. I guess it seemed like a good idea at the time

# ? Dec 22, 2018 23:34

cinci zoo sniper: Mar 15, 2013

iirc initially terminal.app was pretty poo poo but then a few .x version ago apple did their homework about it

# ? Dec 22, 2018 23:37

Phobeste: Apr 9, 2006; never, like, count out Touchdown Tom, man

Soricidus posted:

I use iterm2 but I�m not sure why I bother because the default terminal was fine too. I guess it seemed like a good idea at the time

# ? Dec 23, 2018 00:31

Volte: Oct 4, 2004; woosh woosh

Terminal.app didn't used to support 256 colors like 9 years ago which is why iTerm became popular

# ? Dec 23, 2018 01:25

Nomnom Cookie: Aug 30, 2009

echinopsis posted:

part of using django to do what im doing is diving into the command prompt on this mac but tell me is the built in terminal a piece of poo poo and do most people use a new one or wat

terminal.app is just fine. the default shell, otoh, is some horrifically ancient bash.homebrew ships a replacement ofc

# ? Dec 23, 2018 02:29

kitten emergency: Jan 13, 2008; get meow this wack-ass crystal prison

whats wrong with iterm2?

# ? Dec 23, 2018 02:33

luchadornado: Oct 7, 2004; A boombox is not a toy!

terminal.app is actually p good. alacritty is great for things like piping 10k kafka messages to jq and not seeing any slow down

# ? Dec 23, 2018 02:41

pokeyman: Nov 26, 2006; That elephant ate my entire platoon.

uncurable mlady posted:

whats wrong with iterm2?

nothing, but when the built-in thing suits your needs then why bother

# ? Dec 23, 2018 02:52

kitten emergency: Jan 13, 2008; get meow this wack-ass crystal prison

pokeyman posted:

nothing, but when the built-in thing suits your needs then why bother

idk, i started using it years and years ago and never really thought to check terminal.app back out. maybe i will

# ? Dec 23, 2018 02:55

carry on then: Jul 10, 2010; by VideoGames
(and can't post for 10 years!)

iterm won't let me set terminal colors from the touch bar like terminal.app and it's such a niche-rear end problem but it makes me prefer terminal.app

# ? Dec 23, 2018 02:57

pokeyman: Nov 26, 2006; That elephant ate my entire platoon.

uncurable mlady posted:

idk, i started using it years and years ago and never really thought to check terminal.app back out. maybe i will

yep that�s fine too, use what works for you! but if someone is "just diving in" then terminal.app is where to start

# ? Dec 23, 2018 06:33

echinopsis: Apr 13, 2004; by Fluffdaddy

its not like cmd.com then?

# ? Dec 23, 2018 10:14

necrotic: Aug 2, 2005; I owe my brother big time for this!

It was only ever half as bad as the windows console. You could at least resize it to full screen.

# ? Dec 23, 2018 16:20

pokeyman: Nov 26, 2006; That elephant ate my entire platoon.

echinopsis posted:

its not like cmd.com then?

exactly right. macos gives you working tools out of the box. (as a former windows user, this took me some time to adjust)

# ? Dec 23, 2018 16:52

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

terminals aren't necessary for modern computing and especially not for development.

# ? Dec 23, 2018 16:55

mystes: May 31, 2006

Shaggar posted:

terminals aren't necessary for modern computing

Don't you need to use a terminal for a lot of windows server stuff now?

# ? Dec 23, 2018 16:58

pokeyman: Nov 26, 2006; That elephant ate my entire platoon.

Shaggar posted:

terminals aren't necessary for modern computing and especially not for development.

neither are shaggars but here we are

# ? Dec 23, 2018 17:03

akadajet: Sep 14, 2003

Shaggar posted:

terminals aren't necessary for modern computing and especially not for development.

nuclear

# ? Dec 23, 2018 17:16

pseudorandom name: May 6, 2007

mystes posted:

Don't you need to use a terminal for a lot of windows server stuff now?

you can�t install Exchange without it, iirc

you can�t install Exchange period because it requires a version of Windows that doesn�t exist yet

# ? Dec 23, 2018 17:44

Malcolm XML: Aug 8, 2009; I always knew it would end like ｔｈｉｓ．

iterm has great tmux integration

# ? Dec 23, 2018 19:44

ThePeavstenator: Dec 18, 2012; Establish the Buns

For Windows I use cmder/conemu. It supports shortcuts to show/hide the console in a quake-style drop-down. Also chocolatey is a decent package manager.

# ? Dec 23, 2018 19:50

Rhusitaurion: Sep 16, 2003; One never knows, do one?

Malcolm XML posted:

iterm has great tmux integration

It supports the OSC-52 clipboard escape sequences, which is nice when you have multiple tmux panes. I tried to submit a patch to PuTTY to do the same once I had to switch to a Windows desktop at work, but they didn't accept it due to security concerns, and now I have to maintain my own fork to get basic stuff like that.

# ? Dec 23, 2018 20:20

animist: Aug 28, 2018

Helicity posted:

terminal.app is actually p good. alacritty is great for things like piping 10k kafka messages to jq and not seeing any slow down

didn't it turn out that alacritty wasn't actually any faster than the default terminal

also if you're piping doesn't terminal speed not matter at all

# ? Dec 23, 2018 20:41

Soricidus: Oct 21, 2010; freedom-hating statist shill

Shaggar posted:

terminals aren't necessary for modern computing and especially not for development.

windows server doesn�t even have an optional gui any more

# ? Dec 23, 2018 22:37

champagne posting: Apr 5, 2006; YOU ARE A BRAIN
IN A BUNKER

Soricidus posted:

windows server doesn�t even have an optional gui any more

wait what

now what will happen to my previous place of employment?

# ? Dec 23, 2018 22:53

AggressivelyStupid: Jan 9, 2012

Boiled Water posted:

wait what

now what will happen to my previous place of employment?

they're going to continue using an outdated version, clearly

# ? Dec 24, 2018 02:06

Nomnom Cookie: Aug 30, 2009

animist posted:

didn't it turn out that alacritty wasn't actually any faster than the default terminal

also if you're piping doesn't terminal speed not matter at all

bad input latency iirc

# ? Dec 24, 2018 03:04

luchadornado: Oct 7, 2004; A boombox is not a toy!

animist posted:

didn't it turn out that alacritty wasn't actually any faster than the default terminal

also if you're piping doesn't terminal speed not matter at all

if its an optical illusion its a good one thats convinced several of us in the office. piping to jq just ends up going to stdout by default so its a question of "how fast can i render this large amount of syntax highlighted json messages". for any useful work youll probably be doing a jq select or a grep and limiting output anyways, but whatever

# ? Dec 24, 2018 05:13

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# ? May 24, 2024 23:23

Nomnom Cookie: Aug 30, 2009

Helicity posted:

if its an optical illusion its a good one thats convinced several of us in the office. piping to jq just ends up going to stdout by default so its a question of "how fast can i render this large amount of syntax highlighted json messages". for any useful work youll probably be doing a jq select or a grep and limiting output anyways, but whatever

you�re talking about stdout then. the pipe thing is a red herring

still don�t really see how making GBS threads out text fast is a selling point in a terminal emulator when the slowest ones are still far far far faster than could possibly be comprehended

# ? Dec 24, 2018 06:32

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