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StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

The funniest and worst possible ending here is Russia shoots at Turkish troops tryimg to get into Syria and article 5 gets invoked

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Azathoth
Apr 3, 2001

StashAugustine posted:

The funniest and worst possible ending here is Russia shoots at Turkish troops tryimg to get into Syria and article 5 gets invoked

Legit question: even if Turkey directly tried this and somehow got Russian and/or Assad's troops over the border into Turkey and Turkey officially invoked Article 5, would any other country do anything other than tell them to gently caress off?

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 20 days!)

Trying to invoke Article 5 because people shot back during the illegal invasion of a foreign country would tear NATO apart, because not everyone would be willing to declare war on Syria/Russia because the Turks overstepped their bounds.

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


yeah i think nato would probably say "nope" and let turkey be owned for being stupid and killing russians tbh

OhFunny
Jun 26, 2013

EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC
Turkey masses troops near Kurdish-held town in northern Syria

Anyone know what the numbers of Turkish soldiers at the border are?

ur in my world now
Jun 5, 2006

Same as it ever was
Same as it ever was
Same as it ever was
Same as it ever was


Smellrose
turks and russians killing each other sounds like a win/win to me, op

upgunned shitpost
Jan 21, 2015

if only the armymans shot other armymans

paul_soccer10
Mar 28, 2016

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

OhFunny posted:

Turkey masses troops near Kurdish-held town in northern Syria

Anyone know what the numbers of Turkish soldiers at the border are?

For hundred twenty and sixty nine thousand, fourteen eighty eight

Algund Eenboom
May 4, 2014

My baseless prediction is that the united states will claim to have removed all troops from syria, but leave some there secretly

Fiend
Dec 2, 2001

Algund Eenboom posted:

My baseless prediction is that the united states will claim to have removed all troops from syria, but leave some there secretly

Like a diplomatic contingent to provide limited security, logistics, and training to indigenous forces who align with American interests?

Edit: how do you do think we destabilized the region to start this mess?

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012


liberalism is a mental illness

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


Darkman Fanpage posted:



liberalism is a mental illness

this cant be real

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007

https://twitter.com/slate/status/820044120991420416

Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
The syrian furry porn is actually p hot

Frond
Mar 12, 2018

It’s better than nothing.

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

this cant be real

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

this cant be real

went through his tweets trying to find it but he tweets like nonstop every day so i wouldnt be surprised if i missed it. i did find this beauty though.

https://twitter.com/edkrassen/status/1075552342202859521?s=21

Flavahbeast
Jul 21, 2001


Darkman Fanpage posted:



liberalism is a mental illness

I dont think that tweet is being entirely sincere

paul_soccer10
Mar 28, 2016

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Isolationism is weakness.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

psychofishhead posted:

reading this thread as a former YPG volunteer is infuriating. if you think a Turkish invasion of Rojava will go as “well” as Afrin, (“going well” in this case is classified as T-FSA occupiers getting constantly merked everyday by Kurdish guerrillas in the minds of this threads posters I guess) you’re a goddamn moron. also US troops stationed there were definitely a positive. I know it’s cool and edgy to portray them all as a roving band of rapists but all they did was hang out in oil fields and deter invasion from a bunch of smaller psychopaths. pretty much every military operation was done by either Kurds or Arabs in one of the myriad militias in the SDF and they’re definitely not a bunch of psycho baby killers.

In short, kiss my grits noobs.
thank you for your service!

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Azathoth posted:

Legit question: even if Turkey directly tried this and somehow got Russian and/or Assad's troops over the border into Turkey and Turkey officially invoked Article 5, would any other country do anything other than tell them to gently caress off?

Article 5 is exactly what is sounds like: A bunch of worthless word on a paper

Willie Tomg
Feb 2, 2006
Article 5 won't apply to Turkey loving around in Syria any more than it applied to the USA when we cowboyed into Iraq for no reason. It was a couple years away from being applied to Ukraine but now, lmao, whoops.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Willie Tomg posted:

Article 5 won't apply to Turkey loving around in Syria any more than it applied to the USA when we cowboyed into Iraq for no reason. It was a couple years away from being applied to Ukraine but now, lmao, whoops.

This is where one should actually clarify that Article 5 considers only the defense of a member state, not any military action undertaken by a member.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Yeah to be clear that was a joke, there's no way that actually happens

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 20 days!)

Article 5 was invoked after 9/11, which is why we still have so many NATO partners helping us occupy Afghanistan, even if it's only with token forces. And even if the Taliban didn't do 9/11.

freckle
Apr 6, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo

paul_soccer10 posted:

For hundred twenty and sixty nine thousand, fourteen eighty eight

:hmmyes:

freckle
Apr 6, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo
i did 9/11

Flavahbeast
Jul 21, 2001


yo milgoons of cspam, is this standard procedure or what

https://twitter.com/AzadiRojava/status/1076816308279394304

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


Flavahbeast posted:

yo milgoons of cspam, is this standard procedure or what

https://twitter.com/AzadiRojava/status/1076816308279394304

alternatively "pictures of us troops walking around i added a bullshit caption to"

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

Sounds fake, but is also the kind of thing that would get Trump to flippantly change his mind on an issue.

ScrubLeague
Feb 11, 2007

Nap Ghost

freckle posted:

i did 9/11

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1077064829825966081

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1077152943680438272?s=19

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004


Tokamak posted:

Sounds fake, but is also the kind of thing that would get Trump to flippantly change his mind on an issue.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 20 days!)


What a loving rube.

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

The US government still doesn't acknowledge the Armenian Genocide to avoid pissing off Turkey right.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 20 days!)

Atrocious Joe posted:

The US government still doesn't acknowledge the Armenian Genocide to avoid pissing off Turkey right.

Yes. I think every other country in NATO too.

OhFunny
Jun 26, 2013

EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Yes. I think every other country in NATO too.

Most NATO members recognize the Armenian Genocide. It's denial is also a crime in France, Italy, Greece, and Slovakia.

Edit: also illegal in Cyprus.

OhFunny has issued a correction as of 17:32 on Dec 24, 2018

Raqqa Flocka Flame
Dec 14, 2017

OhFunny posted:

Turkey masses troops near Kurdish-held town in northern Syria

Anyone know what the numbers of Turkish soldiers at the border are?

Wikipedia says there are 512,000 active personal in the Turkish miliatary overall. There was a guest on War Nerd episode 84 I think that compared the Argentine military to the Turkish military. His point was basically that Turkey’s effective conscription force is way smaller than is actually listed, since the conscription period is one year, and a new soldier has to spend a minimum of half that time in basic training. While a military like that isn’t as effective at say, fighting wars, as a volunteer army of a smaller size could be. If your military is also needed to plot a coup every decade or so like the Turkish military, for the people who stay on to become professionals, it good for handing out lots of officer titles. And the money saved on foot soldiers can be spent on lots of toys like tanks and jets that you don’t actually have enough trained personnel to operate.

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Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 20 days!)

OhFunny posted:

Most NATO members recognize the Armenian Genocide. It's denial is also a crime in France, Italy, Greece, and Slovakia.

Edit: also illegal in Cyprus.

Ah I was getting NATO confused with the Middle East.

But guess which Middle East country DOES recognize the Armenian genocide? That's right.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d2/Nations_recognising_the_Armenian_Genocide.svg

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