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ijii posted:Grand Nagus Zek > Quark > Nog > Rom > Brunt > Moogie gently caress you for putting Moogie at the bottom
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Dec 23, 2018 06:48
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Bogus Adventure posted:gently caress you for putting Moogie at the bottom also this
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Dec 23, 2018 06:52
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EimiYoshikawa posted:Which is perfectly in-character with his being a "Bad Ferengi" like his father, and it's only after he's freed from the overwhelming pressure to attain profit that he can examine the deeper spiritual elements of his faith and truly navigate the currents of the Great Material Continuum. These episodes were good partly because of this sort of take on the Ferengi worldview.
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Dec 23, 2018 07:28
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The Ferengi belief system: they put so much thought into what was a throwaway gag about a misogynist alien race written by a dying senile arch pervert addled on prescription drugs, and turned it into one of the more engaging features of the whole show. It's stuff like this that sets DS9 miles apart from poo poo like, say, Disco.
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Dec 23, 2018 08:08
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ijii posted:Grand Nagus Zek > Quark > Nog > Rom > Brunt > Moogie This is correct but really all Ferengi DS9 is good episodes so why worry about an order?
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Dec 23, 2018 08:45
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Thing is Nog is pretty poo poo at being a Ferengi at first partly because he's young and inexperienced and partly probably because he has very little confidence from being the loser son of a loser dad everyone knows doesn't have the lobes for business, and Quark isn't a whole lot better. He doesn't really get that pouncing on business opportunities requires thinking outside the box, which Jake is pretty good at.Drink-Mix Man posted:These episodes were good partly because of this sort of take on the Ferengi worldview. And it's something that both makes perfect sense within the cutthroat capitalism ideology of the Ferengi and is also more broadly applicable outside of it, because even in borderline post-scarcity luxury gay space communist Federation, there's still products and services in demand. It's also a key skill for a ship officer to be able to find and allocate resources effectively. Always found it funny that Quark actually likes Jake, since Jake wants to be a writer- and making entertainment products is a skill Ferengi respect. (though weirded out that he doesn't charge for them)
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Dec 23, 2018 09:54
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Always found it funny that Quark actually likes Jake, since Jake wants to be a writer- and making entertainment products is a skill Ferengi respect. (though weirded out that he doesn't charge for them) in terms of creating stories and engaging events, it still seems like it needs humans to script that kind of stuff. or the holodeck can add characters and stereotypes to interact with, but to create really engaging content you still need a sentient being like riker seemed amazed by the brunette in the jazz bar until he found out the weird binary aliens created her to distract him
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Dec 23, 2018 10:37
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Bobby Deluxe posted:it seems like its a skill that still cant be automated. like the holodeck can create a fairly realistic and complex sandbox from historical data, but its just an environment to do stuff in. Holodeck NPC's are probably semi-automated in that they can give some basic conversation, but to feel "real" you need someone writing the overall narrative. It's not enough to say "this is a woman in a 1920's bar", you need someone to fine-tune that to "this woman has a sexy demeanour, peppers her sentences with innuendo, and will flirt exclusively with the protagonist/s. Her conversation in this scene uses 1920's-style english, uses these specific lines for the story, and needs to urge the player to go to [NEXT SCENE]". It's still your basic RPG NPC, but with a better engine.
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Dec 23, 2018 10:54
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Not to mention Quark specifically makes a lot of money from holosuite programs, and is quite willing to branch out to whatever his customers will pay for. I get the impression that the core computer does a lot of the work, but popular programs are ones that have a lot of depth and nuance to them.The Vic Fontaine program in particular has a lot of extras and even what you might call an expansion pack (they called it a 'jack in the box', which I suppose is as good a metaphor as any), and bits like when Nog is basically using it as his PTSD treatment, Fontaine is having money troubles that Nog is able to help with. (y'know, disappointed we didn't get to see Vic meet the Grand Nagus, I bet Zek would feel right at home) They're all running on the same game engine, in a sense, with holodecks having a lot of available shortcuts to create programs. (like the whole plot with getting a scan of Kira for a custom program, which is all kinds of skeevy kinda even in-episode) If anything, Star Trek could be pretty ahead of its time in video games being a popular entertainment of choice for those with access to high-tech setups, and a broad variety of programs available ranging from basically set dressing for an existing game (like the baseball program) to in-depth adventures (like the totally-not-James Bond program) to ambitious sandboxes. (the Vic Fontaine program)
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Dec 23, 2018 11:22
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let's not talk about voyager's holo-ireland, because that was all kinds of a mess
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Dec 23, 2018 11:34
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Miss posted:let's not talk about voyager
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Dec 23, 2018 18:41
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Janeway got some mad Irish D.
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Dec 23, 2018 18:45
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Ferengi capitalism is a belief system and is disdained where other belief systems are respected, even if they result in flat-out murder in 3 days, such as was the case with the willing reintroduction of caste systems among the Bajoran people.
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Dec 23, 2018 19:20
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Another reason why Bajorans are awful people
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Dec 23, 2018 19:23
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Cardassians could only suppress the Bajoran instinct for murder and self-destruction for so long 
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Dec 23, 2018 19:32
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Bobby Deluxe posted:it seems like its a skill that still cant be automated. like the holodeck can create a fairly realistic and complex sandbox from historical data, but its just an environment to do stuff in. Computer, create an opponent capable of defeating Data in a fiction-writing contest.
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Dec 23, 2018 20:32
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When you think about it, the utopic abundance of the Federation is the ultimate profit. You only give what you feel like and in return you get everything. Excuse me while I nail these grievances to the door of the Tower of Commerce
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Dec 23, 2018 20:45
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Powered Descent posted:Computer, create an opponent capable of defeating Data in a fiction-writing contest. to answer your question seriously though, in the same episode geordi tried to get it to make a holmes style mystery but the best it could do was cobble together clues and events from already existing holmes stories if i recall correctly the computer only managed to make moriarty after shutting most of the ship systems down to make room given a large enough library of plots and narratives it could generate a competent plot, but it's probably one of those things where you would need human oversight to confirm that the generated plots resolve and hold interest
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Dec 23, 2018 21:39
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Bobby Deluxe posted:it would just create a deathray wielding orb that would take out the judges and all other competitors, until barclay hosed it or something I don't think it shut down the ship to create moriarty, I think the difference was that when you tell the computer to make a Holmes mystery it draws on a database of things in a Holmes mystery to make one. When you tell it to design someone capable of challenging Data, it basically creates someone as intelligent as him and gives him a bunch of knowledge.
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Dec 23, 2018 21:52
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Dec 23, 2018 22:11
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It's a real shame that emotion analyser won't work on Morn.
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Dec 23, 2018 22:27
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Miss posted:let's not talk about voyager's holo-ireland, because that was all kinds of a mess Also, what a horrible way to blow your budget. Let's waste a ton of money shooting outside on a side-plot that is boring as poo poo. (apparently it was cheaper to build big sets and shoot in a studio than it was to go to an empty field 4km out of town and film for half an hour).
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Dec 23, 2018 23:05
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Bogus Adventure posted:gently caress you for putting Moogie at the bottom Zek would be nothing without her!!!
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Dec 23, 2018 23:09
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Kitchner posted:It's a real shame that emotion analyser won't work on Morn. Surprise .100000 Contempt .250000 Happiness .650000
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Dec 23, 2018 23:13
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Danaru posted:When you think about it, the utopic abundance of the Federation is the ultimate profit. You only give what you feel like and in return you get everything. You don't get a private moon though. How is life worth living if there is no chance of ever owning your own moon, like cousin Gaila?
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Dec 24, 2018 02:11
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Star trek people. Is there a planet in star trek where it's always Christmas?
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Dec 24, 2018 03:28
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The Bananana posted:Star trek people. There's a planet in Doctor Who where it is always Christmas.
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Dec 24, 2018 03:32
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The Bananana posted:Star trek people. Bajor, but only during the occupation.
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Dec 24, 2018 03:34
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Inner Light is the best drat episode.
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Dec 24, 2018 03:41
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The Bananana posted:Star trek people.
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Dec 24, 2018 04:02
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The Bananana posted:Star trek people. 
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Dec 24, 2018 04:19
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Q'istmas
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Dec 24, 2018 04:22
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Dec 24, 2018 04:25
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dudeness posted:Q'istmas the mmo xmas event is called qs winter wonderland. the mmo version looks nothing like q and is not voiced. you can fight stick batleth wielding snowmen  giant image warning:
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Dec 24, 2018 04:51
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What sociopath child is making snowballs out of giant ice chunks
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Dec 24, 2018 05:32
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Big Mean Jerk posted:What sociopath child is making snowballs out of giant ice chunks Wasn't it Wesley?
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Dec 24, 2018 05:42
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Yeah he’s not sociopathic just annoying
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Dec 24, 2018 05:50
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Bobby Deluxe posted:
I have concerns about the methodology on the viewership questions. Like how 58% of people have seen all the movies if only 16% have seen The Undiscovered Country. (Which is a bit  in and of itself.) Was "all of them" just another checkbox among the individual movies, and it was handled exactly the same? Because that's not exactly the best way to handle that...
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Bobby Deluxe posted:the mmo version looks nothing like q and is not voiced. That's because the Q in STO is not Picard's Q. The mission explaining that this is Q's son Q from Voyager, now grown up and loving with the PCs, is no longer in the game.
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