CanPol Megathread: Big Changus

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EvilJoven: Mar 18, 2005; NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?; Fun Shoe

Helsing posted:

I'm going to set a reminder in my phone to post about it at least once every month in 2019 because that is what you poo poo heads deserve.

Just stop posting in this thread.

Deliberately making GBS threads up this thread because it's filled with assholes doesn't make it better and starts grating at you after a while. Trust me, I know. I'm a much happier person for just not posting and only glancing at this thread once in a while.

You're better than this and tbh if you focused yourself you could actually do something good, but not here. Nothing good comes from participating in this thread.

# ? Dec 24, 2018 17:06

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# ? May 30, 2024 08:33

Arivia: Mar 17, 2011

EvilJoven posted:

Just stop posting in this thread.

Deliberately making GBS threads up this thread because it's filled with assholes doesn't make it better and starts grating at you after a while. Trust me, I know. I'm a much happier person for just not posting and only glancing at this thread once in a while.

You're better than this and tbh if you focused yourself you could actually do something good, but not here. Nothing good comes from participating in this thread.

This is genuinely one of my goals for 2019 to be honest. I'm focusing a lot on self-improvement and spending less time on the internet/getting into lovely fights is definitely going to help with that. I stayed up too late in a slapfight in Trad Games a couple nights ago and just not getting to sleep on time is gonna mess me up for a week.

# ? Dec 24, 2018 17:17

Tighclops: Jan 23, 2008; Unable to deal with it; Grimey Drawer

EvilJoven posted:

Just stop posting in this thread.

Deliberately making GBS threads up this thread because it's filled with assholes doesn't make it better and starts grating at you after a while. Trust me, I know. I'm a much happier person for just not posting and only glancing at this thread once in a while.

You're better than this and tbh if you focused yourself you could actually do something good, but not here. Nothing good comes from participating in this thread.

Helsing is one of the better and more informative posters in Canpol and it would suck if he stopped posting and left it to be overrun by the kind of spineless windbags that are fine with "oh my grandpa collaborated with the nazis but actually I'mma say he's a hero! Also I'm a politician lol"

conservatives are fascists and liberals are collaborators, it's true it's true

# ? Dec 24, 2018 18:06

EvilJoven: Mar 18, 2005; NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?; Fun Shoe

Otoh this thread doesn't deserve posters like Helsing.

# ? Dec 24, 2018 18:12

MA-Horus: Dec 3, 2006; I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.

Mods can we have a festivus miracle and get this thread locked for a bit?

I think some people need a goddamn break.

# ? Dec 24, 2018 18:26

Rime: Nov 2, 2011; by Games Forum

The best thing SA could do in 2019 is gas all Megathreads and ban them. The lovely clique attitudes they generate is major forums cancer and has been since the original ban on them was lifted around '13.

# ? Dec 24, 2018 18:40

Blood Boils: Dec 27, 2006; Its not an S, on my planet it means QUIPS

Literal Hamster posted:

This thread has a problem.

That problem is not Doug Ford, or Justin Trudeau, or all of your racist in-laws. The problem is a lack of clarity. Again and again, I read despondent posts, miserable goons without hope.

"Canada is falling to right-wing reactionaries!" I hear you say.

"Nothing matters!" you shout.

"Nothing will ever get better!" you cry.

This is diseased thinking!

In truth, we are in the midst of the greatest global social change since the second world war, and the greatest opportunity for leftist thinking since the rise of Bolshevism. All across the planet, the traditional capitalist parties are dying. Look no further than the rise of Donald Trump, or the ascension of Jair Bolsonaro, and you will see the reality of the situation. Liberalism and Conservatism have failed. They have been strangled by the ailing of late capitalism. The old dog is on it's last legs, and the people smell blood in the air!

The weakness you sense in the Liberal party, the empty promises of Justin Trudeau, the chaotic fall to fascism we are witnessing in the Conservative party, all of this is merely the inevitable result of the waning years of a capitalist system that has exposed to all it's own inability to promulgate itself under the weight of it's contradictions.

"But what hope is there, even the NDP is decadent and useless!" I hear you reply.

True, the NDP has been corrupted by the cancer of the reformist Jack Layton and the traitor Bob Rae. But deep within the New Democratic Party the untarnished spirit of Tommy Douglas lies hidden, merely waiting to once again inflame the hearts and minds of the working class, who are now more than ever ready to embrace that message. The same powerful forces that have propelled the fascist Doug Ford to the premiership are equally capable of elevating a genuine socialist to the office of Prime Minister.

My friends, the precipice has come and gone, we have already begun to fall! The question is not if the old party strictures will be swept aside, the question is who will serve to sate the people's desire for meaningful change. The voters of Ontario were duped into believing that Doug Ford could provide that change, but as all of us in this thread know, Doug Ford is incapable of providing that change, as he serves the interests of the parasites exclusively. In time the people will see this. Indeed, the people have already begun to sense the truth.

So, we must ask ourselves: what is to be done? The answer is obvious! Revolution! But matters are not as simple as merely marching on Parliament and demanding social ownership of the means of production. No, the parasites are clever, and they will resist us at every turn, though they are incapable of learning the lessons of history and will ultimately prove unable to stem the tides of change.

We will begin by accumulating support among the lower classes. This is much easier than it sounds, even a simpleton like Donald Trump understands how this is to be done successfully. We will appeal to the poor by pointing to the disparity in income between themselves and the upper class. The factory workers who are made obsolete, the minimum wage earners who struggle each day to put food on the table, this is our rich seam that just waits to be mined. We will stoke the fires of class warfare among our eager audience. We will provide an alternative to the old capitalist system of exploitation that the working class has learned to hate.

Climate change is a blessing as well as a curse, and represents an enormous opportunity. Rising global temperatures will affect the poor the most, who will bear the costs of food shortages, severe weather damage and efforts to repair the biosphere. The extreme pressures of climate change will awaken the working class to the realities of unsustainable capitalist exploitation of the environment. Already we see young people who are energized by climate action, and within these people lies the seeds of revolutionary thought.

Keep the faith, the fascist forces in Canada are much weaker than they appear, and the bourgeois parasites are hopelessly blind, unable to see what is right in front of them or hear the warnings that their experts provide them with. We must stand united under the banner of economic justice and the glorious superiority of the socialist system!

We shall infect the NDP and subvert the reactionary forces which have gripped it, replacing a stunted and ineffectual message with our own superior message. Get involved, join your local branch of the NDP and participate in discussions. Volunteer for service in the party, and ensure that our message is heard and absorbed. Those of you who are able and inclined should run for office, further propagating our ideas. Victory is within our grasp, if only we have the courage and determination to seize it!

Stop posting your messages of despair! Stop spreading counter-revolutionary thoughts of surrender and capitulation! The class struggle has never been more important, and opportunities to seize power more abundant. Have heart, the ruling order always appears to be invincible, until it is not. Change often comes suddenly, and we must be ready to seize any opportunity we are given.

Good post, let's do it! Even though my rural riding is heavily conservative, it is a golden opportunity to spread some Christian socialism!

# ? Dec 24, 2018 18:58

Baronjutter: Dec 31, 2007; "Tiny Trains"

Rime posted:

The best thing SA could do in 2019 is gas all Megathreads and ban them. The lovely clique attitudes they generate is major forums cancer and has been since the original ban on them was lifted around '13.

What's the alternative? Someone posts a thread every time a canadian politic happens, that issue is discussed for a few pages, then the thread is abandoned?

# ? Dec 24, 2018 20:04

Math You: Oct 27, 2010; So put your faith
in more than steel

Hey dudes I was just sort of thinking back the other day, like way back.. like 1000 years or something..

Remember back in the ancient times of 2015 when everyone was like "gently caress the Senate! Lifetime partisan appointments are a cancer!"?

Most of the reasons for the outrage still ring true today, but the world (and Canada) has since shown a startling propensity towards electing literal retards.. I'm kind of like "hey maybe a 'place of sober second thought' isn't such a bad idea after all".
:thunk:

Anyhow I just thought it was kind of funny and figured I'd drop by and gas up the thread a bit.

# ? Dec 24, 2018 20:47

Postess with the Mostest: Apr 4, 2007; Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

Merry Christmas everyone, hope your families are happy and IPAs are hoppy. Even russian propaganda bot Helsing.

# ? Dec 24, 2018 20:51

Rime: Nov 2, 2011; by Games Forum

Baronjutter posted:

What's the alternative? Someone posts a thread every time a canadian politic happens, that issue is discussed for a few pages, then the thread is abandoned?

Yes.

# ? Dec 24, 2018 20:52

Coolwhoami: Sep 13, 2007

Bring back CI

# ? Dec 24, 2018 21:02

A Typical Goon: Feb 25, 2011

If you people don't like the thread don't read and post in it then?

If you want GBS post in GBS

# ? Dec 24, 2018 21:05

cowofwar: Jul 30, 2002; by Athanatos

Math You posted:

Hey dudes I was just sort of thinking back the other day, like way back.. like 1000 years or something..

Remember back in the ancient times of 2015 when everyone was like "gently caress the Senate! Lifetime partisan appointments are a cancer!"?

Most of the reasons for the outrage still ring true today, but the world (and Canada) has since shown a startling propensity towards electing literal retards.. I'm kind of like "hey maybe a 'place of sober second thought' isn't such a bad idea after all".

Anyhow I just thought it was kind of funny and figured I'd drop by and gas up the thread a bit.

Yeah but the senate is just full of patronage appointments so just because the conditions encourage sober second thought doesn�t mean the idiots appointed will indulge.

You need independent vetting as well as a secure environment - like the supreme court.

# ? Dec 24, 2018 21:34

Martian Manfucker: Dec 27, 2012; misandry is real

helsing is the only reason to read this dumb thread, and he and/or she is right about Freeland vs. Singh when it comes to the disproportionate outcry for Singh "answering" for sikh terrorism vs. Freeland's "I love my nazi peepaw" bullshit.

# ? Dec 24, 2018 22:05

Juul-Whip: Mar 10, 2008

EvilJoven posted:

Just stop posting in this thread.

Deliberately making GBS threads up this thread because it's filled with assholes doesn't make it better and starts grating at you after a while. Trust me, I know. I'm a much happier person for just not posting and only glancing at this thread once in a while.

Wish you would stop posting entirely itt

# ? Dec 24, 2018 22:52

JawKnee: Mar 24, 2007; You'll take the ride to leave this town along that yellow line

sitchensis posted:

I'm going to be laughing so hard when Freeland leads the Liberals in an upcoming election and the media has Helsing levels of hand-wringing over her nazi grandad ala Hillary's "But Her Emails!". Meanwhile, her Conservative opponent Maxime Bernier will be tut tutting about the controversy while actual Nazis march in the streets for his campaign.

I will toxx on this.

boy its too bad we only have 2 parties in this country huh

# ? Dec 25, 2018 00:32

Wistful of Dollars: Aug 25, 2009

Martian Manfucker posted:

helsing is the only reason to read this dumb thread, and he and/or she is right about Freeland vs. Singh when it comes to the disproportionate outcry for Singh "answering" for sikh terrorism vs. Freeland's "I love my nazi peepaw" bullshit.

That's just sad.

# ? Dec 25, 2018 00:54

Yinlock: Oct 22, 2008

Lightning Knight posted:

I feel pretty confident that "defends literal Nazi collaborators" is indefensible but it seems that's a controversial position itt.

# ? Dec 25, 2018 02:49

Rime: Nov 2, 2011; by Games Forum

If you still posting 'bout Nazis in here on Christmas eve plz reevaluate yo life and what brought you to this bitter point.

I don't count' cause I'm four time zones away from everyone I know and the locals got me wasted. :shrug:

# ? Dec 25, 2018 04:44

flakeloaf: Feb 26, 2003; Still better than android clock

I like Christmas. It's good to know the tap water probably won't make me sick, and a bomb won't come crashing though the roof, and not knowing when I'll even want to eat again is a drat sight better than not knowing when I'll be able to. Canada is good even if Canadians are bad sometimes.

# ? Dec 25, 2018 15:34

ARACHTION: Mar 10, 2012

All I want for Christmas is a perma-ban.

That and the Progressive International movement to take off.

# ? Dec 25, 2018 16:42

JawKnee: Mar 24, 2007; You'll take the ride to leave this town along that yellow line

Careful, the mods have interpreted that kind of thing as a request in the past

# ? Dec 25, 2018 17:48

Defenistrator: Mar 27, 2007; Ask me about my burritos

Rime posted:

If you still posting 'bout Nazis in here on Christmas eve plz reevaluate yo life and what brought you to this bitter point.

I don't count' cause I'm four time zones away from everyone I know and the locals got me wasted.

Merry Christmas buddy, but you owe me pictures of your road trip across the great land.

# ? Dec 25, 2018 20:35

Rime: Nov 2, 2011; by Games Forum

Defenistrator posted:

Merry Christmas buddy, but you owe me pictures of your road trip across the great land.

I'm slooooooowly getting them uploaded to Imgur over the past couple of days. The internet out here is, uh, not great.

# ? Dec 25, 2018 21:08

Toalpaz: Mar 20, 2012; Peace through overwhelming determination

flakeloaf posted:

I like Christmas. It's good to know the tap water probably won't make me sick, and a bomb won't come crashing though the roof, and not knowing when I'll even want to eat again is a drat sight better than not knowing when I'll be able to. Canada is good even if Canadians are bad sometimes.

Obligatary reminder that there are various indigenous communities in Canada that won't be able to drink their tap water this christmas.

# ? Dec 25, 2018 21:42

vincentpricesboner: Sep 3, 2006; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Toalpaz posted:

Obligatary reminder that there are various indigenous communities in Canada that won't be able to drink their tap water this christmas.

Dont worry, after a few more years of Doug Ford all communities in Ontario will be in the same shape.

# ? Dec 25, 2018 21:50

flakeloaf: Feb 26, 2003; Still better than android clock

Boil water advisories should not be a thing anywhere on earth, the planet where "water one can drink" started out solved

# ? Dec 25, 2018 23:06

Booourns: Jan 20, 2004; Please send a report when you see me complain about other posters and threads outside of QCS

~thanks!

Rime posted:

The best thing SA could do in 2019 is gas all Megathreads and ban them. The lovely clique attitudes they generate is major forums cancer and has been since the original ban on them was lifted around '13.

The megathreads themselves aren't the problem, it's the thread regulars who treat the megathreads as chat threads and just post whatever random BS they feel like

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

# ? Dec 25, 2018 23:17

Arivia: Mar 17, 2011

Booourns posted:

The megathreads themselves aren't the problem, it's the thread regulars who treat the megathreads as chat threads and just post whatever random BS they feel like

I�m sending a report.

# ? Dec 26, 2018 00:13

Postess with the Mostest: Apr 4, 2007; Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

Happy Birthday PMJT/Jesus.

# ? Dec 26, 2018 00:32

Rime: Nov 2, 2011; by Games Forum

Ugh, the British Columbia Mountaineering Club president has decided to spread around articles from The Rebel, on the clubs official Backcountry Advocacy page, and keeps defending this action as "Free Speech" and "Not bowing to totalitarians".

I tried to point out how this reflects negatively on the organization, but the dude is so deep in his own ego & rhetoric that it's a lost cause. Guess that membership isn't getting renewed.

loving boomers.

# ? Dec 26, 2018 00:52

Lightning Knight: Feb 24, 2012; Pray for Answer

Toalpaz posted:

Obligatary reminder that there are various indigenous communities in Canada that won't be able to drink their tap water this christmas.

Can I ask for more background on this? I know this is a chronic issue in the States as well.

# ? Dec 26, 2018 01:07

BGrifter: Mar 16, 2007; Winner of Something Awful PS5 thread's Posting Excellence Award June 2022

Congratulations!

Who knew the BC mountaineering club was the front line of the posting war.

# ? Dec 26, 2018 01:07

Chicken: Apr 23, 2014

Lightning Knight posted:

Can I ask for more background on this? I know this is a chronic issue in the States as well.

https://www.sac-isc.gc.ca/eng/1506514143353/1533317130660

One of Trudeau's promises was to end all long term boil water advisories across Canada and this is the government page tracking that promise. The oldest existing advisory is from 1995 (!!!) on the Neskantaga First Nation and there are 62 other long term water advisories across Canada. Now this is a government page so take the progress with a grain of salt. You can see that most of the corrective actions taken so far have been to hook the First Nation up with an existing water system or maintenance/repair of an existing water system. And that's cool but there are places like Grassy Narrows which will need something crazy expensive like reverse osmosis because their local river system is severely contaminated with mercury. (That's not even mentioning that fish, the main local food source in Grassy Narrows, is also a major vector for mercury ingestion)

Merry Christmas!

# ? Dec 26, 2018 01:47

Lightning Knight: Feb 24, 2012; Pray for Answer

Chicken posted:

https://www.sac-isc.gc.ca/eng/1506514143353/1533317130660

One of Trudeau's promises was to end all long term boil water advisories across Canada and this is the government page tracking that promise. The oldest existing advisory is from 1995 (!!!) on the Neskantaga First Nation and there are 62 other long term water advisories across Canada. Now this is a government page so take the progress with a grain of salt. You can see that most of the corrective actions taken so far have been to hook the First Nation up with an existing water system or maintenance/repair of an existing water system. And that's cool but there are places like Grassy Narrows which will need something crazy expensive like reverse osmosis because their local river system is severely contaminated with mercury. (That's not even mentioning that fish, the main local food source in Grassy Narrows, is also a major vector for mercury ingestion)

Merry Christmas!

I was born in '95 holy gently caress.

# ? Dec 26, 2018 01:54

Rime: Nov 2, 2011; by Games Forum

Chicken posted:

https://www.sac-isc.gc.ca/eng/1506514143353/1533317130660

One of Trudeau's promises was to end all long term boil water advisories across Canada and this is the government page tracking that promise. The oldest existing advisory is from 1995 (!!!) on the Neskantaga First Nation and there are 62 other long term water advisories across Canada. Now this is a government page so take the progress with a grain of salt. You can see that most of the corrective actions taken so far have been to hook the First Nation up with an existing water system or maintenance/repair of an existing water system. And that's cool but there are places like Grassy Narrows which will need something crazy expensive like reverse osmosis because their local river system is severely contaminated with mercury. (That's not even mentioning that fish, the main local food source in Grassy Narrows, is also a major vector for mercury ingestion)

Merry Christmas!

Why am I not surprised the Mercury came from Dryden. Holy balls that place is the only town I've been through which rivaled Thunderbay for the "Worst Shithole in the Country" award. Somehow worse than Sudbury, which is itself built around one of the largest toxic waste ponds on the planet.

E: Related stories are grim:

Ontario 'chose to allow' poisoning of 2 northern First Nations, environmental watchdog says in report

Ontario knew about mercury contamination near Grassy Narrows in 1990: report

Province confirms mercury at Dryden, Ont. mill site

Genocide? Nah, we stopped that poo poo in the 90's. Visibly.

This loving country.

Rime fucked around with this message at 02:29 on Dec 26, 2018

# ? Dec 26, 2018 02:25

vyelkin: Jan 2, 2011

Rime posted:

Genocide? Nah, we stopped that poo poo in the 90's. Visibly.

This loving country.

Did you miss the story where Canada's been forcibly sterilizing indigenous women against their will as recently as 2017?

# ? Dec 26, 2018 04:18

Literal Hamster: Mar 11, 2012; YOSPOS

cowofwar posted:

I didn�t read this but I�m unsure as to why I should not be cynical when proportional representation failed for the third time. Canadians are loving garbage and I don�t benefit from the change so why I should I keep trying to get idiots to not vote against their self interest?

Proportional representation? Why do you concern yourself so fully with the means of democratic representation? A government which more accurately represents the intent of the people is to be desired and lauded, or course, but such a government existing under the auspices of the parasites will continue to be a fundamentally unrepresentative government, as those representatives answer solely to the interests of capital, and not at all to the needs of the people.

Put plainly, what does it matter whether we have proportional or FPTP government, so long as the body politic serves the interests of our 'betters' rather than serving us? The parasites are currently in full control of our government, regardless of the party in power, and a change in electoral laws will not change matters significantly.

DynamicSloth posted:

Proportional representation failed because of bad leadership, starting with the decision to hold a referendum in the first place.

Quebec is just going to get to have proportional representation because they're legislature will pass it in a bill, turns out we could have just done that.

Proportional representation in BC failed because the people have not yet awakened to the necessity of revolution. The people are intrinsically conservative, and become progressive only when conditions become intolerable. Why would you expect the people to desire a more representative government when their current government provides the bare minimum for survival? Only when there is no more bread to be had, will the people understand their power and the need for change.

Blood Boils posted:

Good post, let's do it! Even though my rural riding is heavily conservative, it is a golden opportunity to spread some Christian socialism!

I know that you feel powerless. I know that you feel that your neighbors are too conservative to change. I bet that you feel that your neighbors would rather jump on an open fire than embrace revolutionary politics.

Such hopelessness!

Though you sense a stubborn and intractable sense of conservatism among your riding, know that the revolutionary spirit is want to take hold of them suddenly and unexpectedly. Indeed, even your cross-burning white supremacist neighbor is a revolutionary-in-waiting, just waiting for conditions to worsen to the point where the status quo is no longer tolerable. Even the most die-hard free-market loving conservative is a socialist waiting for a reason to abandon their old habits.

I will not pretend to know your situation or the character of your riding, I merely aspire to know that which drives men to action. In the end, your fellows will be forced to act, by the inevitable and crushing failure of capitalism. This process is as unstoppable as a slug of lead and twice as stubborn. The people will be driven to action by sheer necessity, and the only question remaining will be whether a Doug Ford style fascist or a Jeremy Corbyn style socialist serves to sate the needs of the working class.

# ? Dec 26, 2018 08:33

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# ? May 30, 2024 08:33

Rime: Nov 2, 2011; by Games Forum

vyelkin posted:

Did you miss the story where Canada's been forcibly sterilizing indigenous women against their will as recently as 2017?

Conveying tone is hard, those italics are supposed to denote a sly/sarcastic and imply that we've kept up a good pace of killin' them softly in ways the general public won't hear about. Airquotes didn't seem like they'd suffice.

# ? Dec 26, 2018 12:06

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