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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Stopping particle accelerators doesn't help people. It's almost the opposite of helping people, in fact. Do you want to gently caress Spider-Man?
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LOVED this movie. I knew it had fun visuals and decided to go see it on a whim, and holy poo poo. In terms of superhero movies, I think it's in my top five with Logan, Thor: Ragnarok, The Dark Knight, and Maguire's Spider-Man 2. I don't really understand the love for Homecoming; my runner-ups for that list would be Iron Man, Guardians of the Galaxy, Keaton's first Batman, Maguire's first Spider-Man. Also, people have brought up "how is Gwen enrolled at this charter school," but I'm also wondering "how is Gwen employed at this evil lab?" I didn't remember anything from the trailer so I didn't know that she was going to end up being a spider-person, so at first I thought it was just a callback to the Emma Stone Gwen. I'm guessing she was just also infiltrating the lab at that time?
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Dec 24, 2018 16:25
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ungulateman posted:the bit in the final fight where kingpin bleeds across dimensions while fighting miles is a visualisation of the idea that, because of who he is as a person, he'll drive his family away through his actions regardless of the timeline, imo What's a little weird is that if you extend that idea to his counterpart Miles, you get a formulation like "Because of who you are (smart, creative, etc) you will be distanced from your friends no matter what you do", like Miles is accepting that being in a league of his own itself inescapable, because of his abilities? Which brings back Miles's earlier concern with VISIONS being stuck up / elitist, which was also a worry that he himself was going to become a stuck up elitist by attending the school. (Though I think someone pointed out that Miles was already a popular big shot at his old school, and if that's true, the new school also upsets his position at the top of a social hierarchy? So then it'd be like VISIONS is the (unwanted) realization of his own sense of superiority... or privilege, as JazzyRat was saying. ) Not as sure about the stuff in parentheses, but I'm looking for stuff to project back onto Kingpin to figure out what aspect of 'who he is' is comparable to Miles. Kingpin's position as a criminal father kind of contrasts with Miles's police father maybe? Like maybe the way he personally wields his power over people ties into Miles's views on order/hierarchy, since his interactions with subordinates involve shouting or choking or shooting. The way he mistreats his subordinates makes it ridiculous for him to expect his family to come back together, if the family is implicitly analogous to his organization? So Kingpin seemingly belongs on the dad's side of the closed-door apology, even though he's also defying fate
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Dec 24, 2018 16:37
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:Do you want to gently caress Spider-Man? I'm describing one of the canonical Spider-People.
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Dec 24, 2018 17:08
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mmmmalo posted:Not as sure about the stuff in parentheses, but I'm looking for stuff to project back onto Kingpin to figure out what aspect of 'who he is' is comparable to Miles. Kingpin's position as a criminal father kind of contrasts with Miles's police father maybe? Like maybe the way he personally wields his power over people ties into Miles's views on order/hierarchy, since his interactions with subordinates involve shouting or choking or shooting. The way he mistreats his subordinates makes it ridiculous for him to expect his family to come back together, if the family is implicitly analogous to his organization? So Kingpin seemingly belongs on the dad's side of the closed-door apology, even though he's also defying fate To Fisk, family is temporary and interchangeable. Wife and son are horrified by you and die tragically? Just get a new wife and son, job completed. For Miles and the Davis/Morales clan, family is permanent but fragile. Each member is singular and irreplaceable but all it takes is one bullet, or one conversation not had through a door, and they can lose each other forever. To an extent, Peter B takes some of this as part of his own arc, and to an even lesser one Gwen does, too, though it's less family and more "personal relationships" and to be fair she mostly overcomes that by being stranded with five people who are already predisposed to think or act like her
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Dec 24, 2018 18:07
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Fisk uses the Walter Bishop method of child replacement.
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Dec 24, 2018 18:08
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tin can made man posted:To Fisk, family is temporary and interchangeable. Wife and son are horrified by you and die tragically? Just get a new wife and son, job completed. The problem with this is that the superhero sci-fi aspect becomes completely redundant if it's just used to dress up completely mundane conflicts. You can just have mundane thriller about a crime lord trying to forcefully reunite his family without complicating it with superheroes and particle accelerators. The Godfather movies are already about a mobster gradually losing his family. There's a Spider-God in the movie, colonizing alternate dimensions with its avatars. Who cares about Kingpin's lack of family life?
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Dec 24, 2018 18:23
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nine-gear crow posted:You are a weird and gross rear end in a top hat and even trolling you is starting to lose its luster. Have you listened to the loving Christmas album yet or not? It's not that hard of a question to answer. I have a feeling they are ignoring the question if they haven't responded after like, five prompts already.
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Dec 24, 2018 20:29
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Sounds like an ignored mod challenge to me.
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Dec 24, 2018 20:31
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The Christmas album is fine, the Chris Pine (I'm really not sure something like this is really that much of a spoiler, it's literally in the album credits) ones are the standout, with Deck The Halls and whichever one Jake Johnson sings being fine, but the 1967 one is just a waste.
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Dec 24, 2018 20:46
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So since this iteration of Miles gets his powers through a multiversal origin, is it fair to assume he's the only Miles in the multiverse? Like there's nothing to say there's not multiple Gwen Stacys as spider folk out there, but maybe Miles is unique among the spiderverse, such as it is. Unless we accept this is also just a uni/multiverse parallel to the comics, where Movie Miles and 616/Ultimate Miles are separate entities which is a case I certainly hope no one tries to make in the franchises future Comic Spider Verse event, again, sucks total poo poo but a cool element of it WAS just all these spider someones hanging out in one place, which opened up moments like Pavitir (Spider Man India) being self conscious about being a reflection of what seems to be a "default" identity. I always thought it'd be interesting and in theme to see the giant spider conclave keep tally on a chalkboard of the different identities and permutations. Like, there's a majority of Peters and Peter-Adjacents but how many Mileses are there ? Gwens or Bens (with sub tallies for Parker, Reilly)? Miguels and Miscellaneous (Hobie Brown, Otto Octavius, Aunt May, etc)? E: "May, Daughter" and "May, Aunt" would also have to be discreet categories tin can made man fucked around with this message at 21:11 on Dec 24, 2018 |
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Dec 24, 2018 21:08
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I really have to stop jumping between this thread and the Star Trek ones it's loving me up!!
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Dec 24, 2018 22:43
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You guys really owe it to yourselves to see it in 3D if you have the chance. Saw it again last night, and it’s just as good when I’m not stoned off my rear end.
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Dec 24, 2018 22:46
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do you think there's a spider universe where Lamps can go more than twenty-four hours of posting without eating a probe
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Dec 24, 2018 23:17
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:In Spider-Verse, Miles Morales is a teenager who wants to escape his daily life, but never has the same choice. The moment he gets superpowers, he's drawn into inter-dimensional intrigues where his own initiative becomes secondary, and throughout he gets molded to become another Spider-Person among many. Say what you want, this is a pretty good point
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Dec 24, 2018 23:43
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It's like clockwork. Lamps eats a probe and you rush in out of nowhere to defend him. I'd swear you two were alts, but I know otherwise and that just makes it all the sadder.
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Dec 24, 2018 23:56
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nine-gear crow posted:It's like clockwork. Lamps eats a probe and you rush in out of nowhere to defend him. Its almost as if there is publicly searchable database that shows when and why someone was probated that is accessible to all users And its not even defending him from the probe, that wasn't the post he was probated for. And besides all of that, it is a good point, regardless of your opinions on the dude. Into the Spider-Verse is very much a story about the anxieties of the ownership of Spider-Man as a character between Marvel and Sony and its being deliberately obtuse if you don't notice that subtext. Its literally a story about someone believing they cannot live up to the mantle of the title "spider-man" until they realize there are multiple incarnations of the characters and that there is no one true version. If that's not an extended metaphor for the intellectual property struggles behind the character I don't know what is.
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Dec 25, 2018 00:00
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Bravest doesn’t have a point. Bravest never has a point. He just sees that something is popular and reverse engineers some pseudo-intellectual horseshit to justify being a petulant, contrarian jackass. Then, if people make the mistake of actually engaging with him and pick apart his horseshit, he just plugs his ears and yells “Nuh-uh!!!”
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Dec 25, 2018 00:29
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Jesus Christ now there's backup dancers for whenever Lamps inevitably gets probed.
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Dec 25, 2018 00:29
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tin can made man posted:So since this iteration of Miles gets his powers through a multiversal origin, is it fair to assume he's the only Miles in the multiverse? Like there's nothing to say there's not multiple Gwen Stacys as spider folk out there, but maybe Miles is unique among the spiderverse, such as it is. Unless we accept this is also just a uni/multiverse parallel to the comics, where Movie Miles and 616/Ultimate Miles are separate entities which is a case I certainly hope no one tries to make in the franchises future Not sure if the potential sequels would want to go down that road, but her dealing with the emotions/angst that brings up is a nice character arc, imo.
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Dec 25, 2018 00:32
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Phylodox posted:Bravest doesn’t have a point. Bravest never has a point. He just sees that something is popular and reverse engineers some pseudo-intellectual horseshit to justify being a petulant, contrarian jackass. Then, if people make the mistake of actually engaging with him and pick apart his horseshit, he just plugs his ears and yells “Nuh-uh!!!” You don't think there is a tangible sense of anxiety behind corporate ownership of the character behind the story?
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Dec 25, 2018 00:34
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Phylodox posted:Bravest doesn’t have a point. Bravest never has a point. He just sees that something is popular and reverse engineers some pseudo-intellectual horseshit to justify being a petulant, contrarian jackass. Then, if people make the mistake of actually engaging with him and pick apart his horseshit, he just plugs his ears and yells “Nuh-uh!!!” Yeah. His posts don't make you question the narrative or rethink what you felt about something, all they do is make you roll your eyes. That's usually not a sign that someone had a point, other than "maybe I shouldn't post on these forums anymore".
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Dec 25, 2018 00:41
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Mel Mudkiper posted:You don't think there is a tangible sense of anxiety behind corporate ownership of the character behind the story? I'm convinced you're an alt.
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Dec 25, 2018 00:41
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Queen Combat posted:I'm convinced you're an alt. The first post-Marvel-IP-sharing Sony-based Spider-Man feature hits three major story beats. 1. Peter Parker Spider-Man is gone 2. There simultaneously exist multiple versions of Spider Man in different universes 3. Miles is this "universe's" new Spider Man because there is no more Peter Parker How is that not an extended metaphor for Sony's split ownership of Spider-Man as intellectual property
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Dec 25, 2018 00:46
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Mel Mudkiper posted:You don't think there is a tangible sense of anxiety behind corporate ownership of the character behind the story? No. That’s someone forcing a movie into a tortured metaphor to serve their puerile self-aggrandizing whining. Why would it be about that when several people have pointed out several themes that fit much better with what’s shown on the screen without having to invent behind-the-scenes tension?
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Dec 25, 2018 00:52
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Mel Mudkiper posted:The first post-Marvel-IP-sharing Sony-based Spider-Man feature hits three major story beats. This is a very weird take on Spider-Man: Homecoming.
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Dec 25, 2018 00:53
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Mel Mudkiper posted:The first post-Marvel-IP-sharing Sony-based Spider-Man feature hits three major story beats. I actually think this is a neat interpretation and it makes me respect the movie more. So I don't think they're an alt.
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Dec 25, 2018 00:53
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Phylodox posted:No. That’s someone forcing a movie into a tortured metaphor to serve their puerile self-aggrandizing whining. Why would it be about that when several people have pointed out several themes that fit much better with what’s shown on the screen without having to invent behind-the-scenes tension? Multiple themes can exist simultaneously, just because one interpretation has merit doesnt mean all other interpretations can no longer exist Necrothatcher posted:I actually think this is a neat interpretation and it makes me respect the movie more. Yeah I just wanted to check out what BotL got tagged for but that post actually got me thinking and there is a very material metaphor for the production of the film in the film itself.
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Dec 25, 2018 00:54
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Lamps is Trump-Era SMG.
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Dec 25, 2018 00:56
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Multiple themes can exist simultaneously, just because one interpretation has merit doesnt mean all other interpretations can no longer exist Hey, cool, that’s not at all what I said. Just because multiple themes can exist at once doesn’t mean all interpretations have equal merit.
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Dec 25, 2018 00:57
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Phylodox posted:Hey, cool, that’s not at all what I said. Just because multiple themes can exist at once doesn’t mean all interpretations have equal merit. I dont see why there is not a valid interpretation of the film as a metaphor for it's ownership other than you are mad at BotL
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Dec 25, 2018 00:59
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I dont see why there is not a valid interpretation of the film as a metaphor for it's ownership other than you are mad at BotL I’m not saying there isn’t a possibly valid interpretation along those lines, I’m saying BravestOfTheLamps is nowhere even close to making one, even given your ridiculously generous take on his semi-coherent rambling about insidious spider gods and exposed spider genitalia.
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Dec 25, 2018 01:11
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Phylodox posted:I’m not saying there isn’t a possibly valid interpretation along those lines, I’m saying BravestOfTheLamps is nowhere even close to making one, even given your ridiculously generous take on his semi-coherent rambling about insidious spider gods and exposed spider genitalia. Nothing I quoted from BotL was about spider gods or spider genitals so I dont know what you are referring to. I quoted a post about how Miles being tailored to exist as a product is part of the extended metaphor of the film itself.
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Dec 25, 2018 01:14
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Basically if Bravest ever has a good point, he is making it by accident while trying to be a contrarian jackass, and does not deserve credit.
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Dec 25, 2018 01:16
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Lamps does not do anything in good faith
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Dec 25, 2018 01:19
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So if we just exclude botl from the conversation can we engage with the movie as a metaphor for it's own split ownership
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Dec 25, 2018 01:24
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Mel Mudkiper posted:spider genitals Question: have you listened to the Christmas album yet? Your master has repeatedly dodged the question. What do you have to say on the matter?
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Dec 25, 2018 01:25
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Nothing I quoted from BotL was about spider gods or spider genitals so I dont know what you are referring to. That’s only vaguely related to what Bravest was saying, to the point of being useless. You might as well say the theme of the film is “movies”.
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Dec 25, 2018 01:28
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nine-gear crow posted:Question: have you listened to the Christmas album yet? Your master has repeatedly dodged the question. What do you have to say on the matter? I listened to it and it was kind of cheesy and lame but all Christmas albums are, even when they are being ironic. Also, isnt it a bit beneath you as a mod with being so obsessed with forums drama that you keep bringing it up even though I havent done anything to bring it up. Phylodox posted:That’s only vaguely related to what Bravest was saying, to the point of being useless. You might as well say the theme of the film is “movies”. Ok, well I disagree Mel Mudkiper fucked around with this message at 01:32 on Dec 25, 2018 |
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I just want to know what he thought of Chris Pine singing about Spider-Man. Thank you, at least, for answering me. I am modestly satisfied.
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