Warhammer 40,000: 8th Time's the Charm

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Pendent: Nov 16, 2011; The bonds of blood transcend all others.
But no blood runs stronger than that of Sanguinius; Grimey Drawer

Yeast posted:

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-AU/searchResults?N=4221696349+2950365987

So the Vostroyan made to order is up.

ok, that's fine.

I know that I'm but what the actual gently caress.

Surely you don�t expect a British company to do anything but continue punishing the denizens of Prison Island?

# ? Dec 25, 2018 03:53

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# ? May 31, 2024 18:14

Giant Isopod: Jan 30, 2010; Bathynomus giganteus; Yams Fan

Yeast posted:

Now that's what I call a plasma overcharge!

# ? Dec 25, 2018 03:55

Eifert Posting: Apr 1, 2007; Most of the time he catches it every time.; Grimey Drawer

Giant Isopod posted:

Now that's what I call a plasma overcharge!

Badum tish.

# ? Dec 25, 2018 03:56

OhDearGodNo: Jan 3, 2014

Yeast posted:

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-AU/searchResults?N=4221696349+2950365987

So the Vostroyan made to order is up.

ok, that's fine.

I know that I'm but what the actual gently caress.

Beastmen were like that a couple weeks ago, but were running at about $35 in freedombux.

# ? Dec 25, 2018 03:58

panascope: Mar 26, 2005

Pendent posted:

Surely you don�t expect a British company to do anything but continue punishing the denizens of Prison Island?

Frankly, Aussies deserve to suffer for their criminal lineage.

# ? Dec 25, 2018 04:56

Giant Isopod: Jan 30, 2010; Bathynomus giganteus; Yams Fan

Ok just one more for today.

Let's talk about stormbolters

One of Sisters' biggest weaknesses imo is their lack of plasma, or equivalents.

Sister Superiors and Canonesses can take plasma pistols and combi-plasma. (Battlescribe shows Missionaries as able take plasma guns but I believe it is in error. I think its using the index options for the Ministorum Priest, but that's not the same unit. If I am mistaken, this would be nice to know because Missionary wargear is lacking.)

Blessed bolts directly addresses this.

Here's a comparison of a regular bolter, storm bolter, plasma pistol, as well as a storm bolter using the Blessed Bolts stratagem.

Assumptions in these calculations: I used plasma pistol instead of combi-plasma because I forgot combi-plasmas exist until typing this up, and I did not calculate overcharge. Melta damage is 1.83 because the effective average is of 1,2,2,2,2,2, unless you're up against death guard or something in which case, you know, nevermind, it's close enough.

code:

Unit name	Target Name	Chance to Wound	Hit + Wound	Chance to DMG	Wounds	D	Avg Shots To Kill	Shots	Avg Volley To Kill
Bolter Sister	Firewarrior	0.6666666667	0.4444444444	0.2222222222	1	1	4.5			2	2.25
Plasma Superior	Firewarrior	0.8333333333	0.5555555556	0.5555555556	1	1	1.8			1	1.8
Heavy Bolter	Firewarrior	0.6666666667	0.4444444444	0.2962962963	1	1	3.375			3	1.125
Storm Bolter	Firewarrior	0.6666666667	0.4444444444	0.2222222222	1	1	4.5			4	1.125
Blessed Bolts	Firewarrior	0.6666666667	0.4444444444	0.3703703704	1	1	2.7			4	0.675
									
Bolter Sister	Primaris	0.5		0.3333333333	0.1111111111	2	1	18			2	9
Plasma Superior	Primaris	0.6666666667	0.4444444444	0.3703703704	2	1	5.4			1	5.4
Heavy Bolter	Primaris	0.6666666667	0.4444444444	0.2222222222	2	1	9			3	3
Storm Bolter	Primaris	0.5		0.3333333333	0.1111111111	2	1	18			4	4.5
Blessed Bolts	Primaris	0.5		0.3333333333	0.2222222222	2	2	4.5			4	1.125
Meltagun	Primaris	0.8333333333	0.5555555556	0.5555555556	2	1.83	1.967213115		1	1.967213115

Against 2 wound medium armor targets, blessed bolts is a beast, outkilling even the meltagun (and, more importantly, letting us shoot the meltas at tanks instead!)

Shame I've only ever played against a primaris army once.

# ? Dec 25, 2018 05:56

muggins: Mar 3, 2008; I regard the death and mangling of a couple thousand toy soldiers as a small affair, a kind of morning dash

Tbh instead of Vostroyans from gw I'd just look at Victoria or Mad Robot minis

# ? Dec 25, 2018 06:38

Yeast: Dec 25, 2006; $1900 Grande Latte

yeah, I wouldn't be buying them, I've got 4 metal guard armies, so the last thing I need is another one.

It'd just be nice if they were even sanely priced so people could buy them.

# ? Dec 25, 2018 06:43

Yeast: Dec 25, 2006; $1900 Grande Latte

panascope posted:

Frankly, Aussies deserve to suffer for their criminal lineage.

I can't really argue with this.

# ? Dec 25, 2018 06:43

Endman: May 18, 2010; That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die

I think I'll buy some of the Vostroyans so that I have a full Kill Team of them.

I love the models and I've had a squad of them for ages, but there's no way I'm going to make an army out of them at that price.

# ? Dec 25, 2018 06:59

Living Image: Apr 24, 2010; HORSE'S ASS

Giant Isopod posted:

Ok just one more for today.

Let's talk about stormbolters

One of Sisters' biggest weaknesses imo is their lack of plasma, or equivalents.

Sister Superiors and Canonesses can take plasma pistols and combi-plasma. (Battlescribe shows Missionaries as able take plasma guns but I believe it is in error. I think its using the index options for the Ministorum Priest, but that's not the same unit. If I am mistaken, this would be nice to know because Missionary wargear is lacking.)

Blessed bolts directly addresses this.

Here's a comparison of a regular bolter, storm bolter, plasma pistol, as well as a storm bolter using the Blessed Bolts stratagem.

Assumptions in these calculations: I used plasma pistol instead of combi-plasma because I forgot combi-plasmas exist until typing this up, and I did not calculate overcharge. Melta damage is 1.83 because the effective average is of 1,2,2,2,2,2, unless you're up against death guard or something in which case, you know, nevermind, it's close enough.
code:
Unit name	Target Name	Chance to Wound	Hit + Wound	Chance to DMG	Wounds	D	Avg Shots To Kill	Shots	Avg Volley To Kill
Bolter Sister	Firewarrior	0.6666666667	0.4444444444	0.2222222222	1	1	4.5			2	2.25
Plasma Superior	Firewarrior	0.8333333333	0.5555555556	0.5555555556	1	1	1.8			1	1.8
Heavy Bolter	Firewarrior	0.6666666667	0.4444444444	0.2962962963	1	1	3.375			3	1.125
Storm Bolter	Firewarrior	0.6666666667	0.4444444444	0.2222222222	1	1	4.5			4	1.125
Blessed Bolts	Firewarrior	0.6666666667	0.4444444444	0.3703703704	1	1	2.7			4	0.675
									
Bolter Sister	Primaris	0.5		0.3333333333	0.1111111111	2	1	18			2	9
Plasma Superior	Primaris	0.6666666667	0.4444444444	0.3703703704	2	1	5.4			1	5.4
Heavy Bolter	Primaris	0.6666666667	0.4444444444	0.2222222222	2	1	9			3	3
Storm Bolter	Primaris	0.5		0.3333333333	0.1111111111	2	1	18			4	4.5
Blessed Bolts	Primaris	0.5		0.3333333333	0.2222222222	2	2	4.5			4	1.125
Meltagun	Primaris	0.8333333333	0.5555555556	0.5555555556	2	1.83	1.967213115		1	1.967213115
Against 2 wound medium armor targets, blessed bolts is a beast, outkilling even the meltagun (and, more importantly, letting us shoot the meltas at tanks instead!)

Shame I've only ever played against a primaris army once.

Yeah, the first thing I thought when I saw that strat is 'wow, someone really wants Primaris Marines dead.' But good to see maths confirming it.

Ghost Hand posted:

Here's what I would say - don't get too hung up on anything in the Beta Codex in the CA2018. Much of it is already going through revision and changing. Even some of the core mechanics... I can't really say more than that. But please don't think it is anywhere near the final version.

Thanks for confirming the beta codex is a beta.

# ? Dec 25, 2018 07:38

Yvonmukluk: Oct 10, 2012; Everything is Sinister

Technowolf posted:

Looks like WD's getting a revamp next month.

Looks like the Crimson Fists are getting some goodies in January's issue!

Endman posted:

I think I'll buy some of the Vostroyans so that I have a full Kill Team of them.

I love the models and I've had a squad of them for ages, but there's no way I'm going to make an army out of them at that price.

I guess you could also use them to make a Loyal 32 detachment?

# ? Dec 25, 2018 09:24

Zark the Damned: Mar 9, 2013

I love how the Vosty prices switch from being reasonable (�20.50 for a 10 man squad inc. heavy weapon team) to loving absurd (�15 for a single special weapon)

# ? Dec 25, 2018 15:23

moths: Aug 25, 2004; I would also still appreciate some danger.

It's crazy, I got a squad of Vostroyans and special ordered that guy for the Armageddon skirmish game ( :rip:

) before 8th dropped and he was only around $12.

# ? Dec 25, 2018 15:32

Living Image: Apr 24, 2010; HORSE'S ASS

Yvonmukluk posted:

Looks like the Crimson Fists are getting some goodies in January's issue!

They are and I am fuckin hype

Merry hamsmas everyone

# ? Dec 25, 2018 16:24

Yvonmukluk: Oct 10, 2012; Everything is Sinister

Corrode posted:

They are and I am fuckin hype

Merry hamsmas everyone

Between that and Vigilus, I'm suddenly wavering on whether or not I should stick with my planned Celestial Lions or swap over to the Fists. :ohdear:

Merry Hamsmas to all, and to all a sweet hamsmas!

# ? Dec 25, 2018 17:16

PierreTheMime: Dec 9, 2004; Hero of hormagaunts everywhere!; Buglord

Corrode posted:

Merry hamsmas everyone

The wife surprised me with Blackstone Fortress, time for some robits and rad Chaos minions!

Guess I need to start preppin� a heretical Astra Militarum or Black Legion detachment. :getin:

PierreTheMime fucked around with this message at 17:20 on Dec 25, 2018

# ? Dec 25, 2018 17:16

Beer4TheBeerGod: Aug 23, 2004; Exciting Lemon

That might make me actually subscribe.

# ? Dec 25, 2018 17:20

bij: Feb 24, 2007

Dark Apostle Xantakloss comes bearing good tidings of great joy!

# ? Dec 25, 2018 17:23

Improbable Lobster: Jan 6, 2012; "From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.; Buglord

Technowolf posted:

Looks like WD's getting a revamp next month.

Oh wow, I might actually want a WD sub again.

Improbable Lobster fucked around with this message at 21:59 on Dec 25, 2018

# ? Dec 25, 2018 21:04

TheBigAristotle: Feb 8, 2007; I'm tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money.
I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok.; Grimey Drawer

Finally getting my drafting table over to the new house today, which means I can finally get back to painting after about a month off. Gonna spend New Year's weekend just powering through basecoating Imperial Fists and doing some details on my Deathwatch.

I've got dozens of push-fit Marines to practice on, I'm gonna compare Yriel Yellow basecoat over a white, averland sunset, and grey primer. Grey seems like it wouldn't work, but it can't hurt to try.

I might also give a shot to another brand of paint, preferably something with a squeeze bottle. The challenge there will be finding the right ratio of airbrush thinner to paint, as I've been using Citadel air paints to this point.

My ideal would be like a Michigan Maize level of yellow, intense but not too bright.

# ? Dec 25, 2018 21:07

Booley: Apr 25, 2010; I CAN BARELY MAKE IT A WEEK WITHOUT ACTING LIKE AN ASSHOLE; Grimey Drawer

TheBigAristotle posted:

Finally getting my drafting table over to the new house today, which means I can finally get back to painting after about a month off. Gonna spend New Year's weekend just powering through basecoating Imperial Fists and doing some details on my Deathwatch.

I've got dozens of push-fit Marines to practice on, I'm gonna compare Yriel Yellow basecoat over a white, averland sunset, and grey primer. Grey seems like it wouldn't work, but it can't hurt to try.

I might also give a shot to another brand of paint, preferably something with a squeeze bottle. The challenge there will be finding the right ratio of airbrush thinner to paint, as I've been using Citadel air paints to this point.

My ideal would be like a Michigan Maize level of yellow, intense but not too bright.

The Vallejo mecha line has a couple good yellows and is pretty much airbrush ready.

# ? Dec 25, 2018 21:10

Strobe: Jun 30, 2014; GW BRAINWORMS CREW

TheBigAristotle posted:

Finally getting my drafting table over to the new house today, which means I can finally get back to painting after about a month off. Gonna spend New Year's weekend just powering through basecoating Imperial Fists and doing some details on my Deathwatch.

I've got dozens of push-fit Marines to practice on, I'm gonna compare Yriel Yellow basecoat over a white, averland sunset, and grey primer. Grey seems like it wouldn't work, but it can't hurt to try.

I might also give a shot to another brand of paint, preferably something with a squeeze bottle. The challenge there will be finding the right ratio of airbrush thinner to paint, as I've been using Citadel air paints to this point.

My ideal would be like a Michigan Maize level of yellow, intense but not too bright.

You may also want to try a tan primer like Army Painter Desert Tan. I haven't tried it with a bunch of yellow, but it's never failed to give me a rich but not overpowering color in red, which has a lot of the same issues (to a lesser extent) that yellow does.

# ? Dec 25, 2018 21:11

TheBigAristotle: Feb 8, 2007; I'm tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money.
I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok.; Grimey Drawer

Booley posted:

The Vallejo mecha line has a couple good yellows and is pretty much airbrush ready.

Pretty much meaning like a drop in a half-full cup?

# ? Dec 25, 2018 21:12

TheBigAristotle: Feb 8, 2007; I'm tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money.
I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok.; Grimey Drawer

Strobe posted:

You may also want to try a tan primer like Army Painter Desert Tan. I haven't tried it with a bunch of yellow, but it's never failed to give me a rich but not overpowering color in red, which has a lot of the same issues (to a lesser extent) that yellow does.

I have some zandri dust that I used on terrain, is that too light?

# ? Dec 25, 2018 21:12

TheBigAristotle: Feb 8, 2007; I'm tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money.
I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok.; Grimey Drawer

oops double post

here's some guy's Power Rangers kill team

TheBigAristotle fucked around with this message at 21:16 on Dec 25, 2018

# ? Dec 25, 2018 21:13

Booley: Apr 25, 2010; I CAN BARELY MAKE IT A WEEK WITHOUT ACTING LIKE AN ASSHOLE; Grimey Drawer

TheBigAristotle posted:

Pretty much meaning like a drop in a half-full cup?

I dunno, I can't remember what I did the last time I used it. I might've just airbrushed it straight, you'd need to play with it to see what you want with your preferred air pressure and needle size. I only airbrushed a spoon with it because I was just testing to try to match my existing yellow with easier to use paints.

# ? Dec 25, 2018 21:16

Strobe: Jun 30, 2014; GW BRAINWORMS CREW

TheBigAristotle posted:

I have some zandri dust that I used on terrain, is that too light?

That looks pretty close (it's Desert Yellow, by the way, I had the name wrong until I looked at the cap. :v:

). The idea being that it's a still a neutral color but it has the warm tones that is going to make any coverage issues with the yellow significantly less noticeable. You'll still need a couple coats, but any of the hard to reach spots, and the WIP part isn't going to look like motivation destroying rear end.

# ? Dec 25, 2018 21:17

evol262: Nov 30, 2010; #!/usr/bin/perl

You can move most of the GW paints into droppers pretty easily, or just stop at your local shop and pick up Vallejo, Reaper, or Secret Weapon.

I've sprayed a lot of oranges and yellows. You're better off priming light grey and using less thinner. For yellows, I aim for 2:2:1 pigment/water/reducer, with a little retarder. Every one I've used (scrufulous brown more than any, but yellows are similar) seems to have really heavy pigment which settles out to the bottom of the cup. Use a light coat over light grey, thin to a darker yellow that's more of a glaze, and go from there

# ? Dec 25, 2018 21:22

OhDearGodNo: Jan 3, 2014

TheBigAristotle posted:

Pretty much meaning like a drop in a half-full cup?

I don�t know about this Mecha line, but Model Color and Game Color take an exact 1:1 ratio of thinner (Vallejo recommended) to be airbrush-ready. Pressure depends on the type of paint.

Also, I personally can vouch for that ratio as well.

# ? Dec 25, 2018 21:23

TheBigAristotle: Feb 8, 2007; I'm tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money.
I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok.; Grimey Drawer

Once I get my table set up, I'll probably spend tomorrow experimenting with shades then next weekend just powering through basecoats. Got my breathing mask ready lol

# ? Dec 25, 2018 21:28

DiHK: Feb 4, 2013; by Azathoth

Angels we have heard on high
Sweetly singing o'er the plains
And Secundus in reply
Echoimg their joyus strains

Saaaaaaa gwen eee ussss
Sanguineus
Saaaaaan gwen e us

In his exalted name!

# ? Dec 25, 2018 21:48

Thundercloud: Mar 28, 2010; To boldly be eaten where no grot has been eaten before!

Yeah the single model special weapons are ridiculous.

Done with more realistic prices I would probably picked up a reinforced platoon worth.

# ? Dec 25, 2018 21:49

Improbable Lobster: Jan 6, 2012; "From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.; Buglord

What would be a good box set to get started with some AdMech? I kinda wanna start painting again

# ? Dec 25, 2018 22:13

Beer4TheBeerGod: Aug 23, 2004; Exciting Lemon

Improbable Lobster posted:

What would be a good box set to get started with some AdMech? I kinda wanna start painting again

The AdMech Start Collecting box is very solid. You can also check eBay for the AdMech half of Forgebane.

# ? Dec 25, 2018 22:17

Mef989: Feb 6, 2007

Improbable Lobster posted:

What would be a good box set to get started with some AdMech? I kinda wanna start painting again

How much are you willing to purchase? The Christmas battleforce is really good, and two of them plus Cawl is pretty much a full army ready to go at a decent discount. Otherwise the Start Collecting box is a good buy.

# ? Dec 25, 2018 22:18

Beer4TheBeerGod: Aug 23, 2004; Exciting Lemon

Mef989 posted:

How much are you willing to purchase? The Christmas battleforce is really good, and two of them plus Cawl is pretty much a full army ready to go at a decent discount. Otherwise the Start Collecting box is a good buy.

Yeah the Battleforce is great.

# ? Dec 26, 2018 00:11

inscrutable horse: May 20, 2010; Parsing sage, rotating time

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

The AdMech Start Collecting box is very solid. You can also check eBay for the AdMech half of Forgebane.

Get two, and you're well on your way to a battalion detachment. Add some Dakkabots and a Cawl, and you're no longer a poo poo-tier scrub.

# ? Dec 26, 2018 00:38

Seldom Posts: Jul 4, 2010; Grimey Drawer

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

The AdMech Start Collecting box is very solid. You can also check eBay for the AdMech half of Forgebane.

Forgebane is also a good way to accidentally start a Knights army. I bought 2 ad mech halves, and then I was like, welp might as well buy Renegade. Now I have Knights to paint when I'm done my ad mech.

# ? Dec 26, 2018 01:16

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Beer4TheBeerGod: Aug 23, 2004; Exciting Lemon

Seldom Posts posted:

Forgebane is also a good way to accidentally start a Knights army. I bought 2 ad mech halves, and then I was like, welp might as well buy Renegade. Now I have Knights to paint when I'm done my ad mech.

Yup. Santa dropped off another pair of Knights so now I have quite a bit of work to do in 2019.

# ? Dec 26, 2018 01:18

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