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The Longest Day actually had a real Sherman in a couple scenes which is pretty impressive. That whole movie has got to rank up there as one of the most historically accurate. They even had real D-Day vets play their old officers.
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That longest day harbour battle seems waaaaay ahead of its time for some reason. If I wanted to have an actual sherman (or tiger, or whatever) in a ww2 movie and had the budget to build it from scratch... what we talking?
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Dec 25, 2018 16:36
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Milo and POTUS posted:That longest day harbour battle seems waaaaay ahead of its time for some reason. The one with the casino and the nuns? Do you mean in terms of cinematography or, like, small-unit tactics?
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Serpentis posted:Without wishing to throw my job around too much (CWGC) it depends. I’m given to understand that cemeteries under our care - physical graves or alternative commemoration memorials - are usually either indefinite, or moderate to long term renewable grants or loans unless the government of the nation who owned/requisitioned/loaned etc. the land boots us out for some reason or the cemetery is unmaintainable due to outside factors. I've visited quite a few CWGC cemeteries in the last couple of years, from the huge to the tiny, and the one word I'd use to describe them all is "immaculate". The amount of effort that must go in to maintaining them all is immense. You do a fantastic job with them. I briefly pondered a project of trying to visit as many of them as possible, but the amount of foreign travel involved would be prohibitive. (And then thought instead about trying to visit as many war memorials within the UK as possible. The fly in the ointment with this, though, is that I think I worked out that if 10 were visited a day, every day, then it would take around 90 years to get to them all... Still flirt with the idea now and again!)
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Schadenboner posted:The one with the casino and the nuns? The former. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eZMkleDjWI
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Milo and POTUS posted:That longest day harbour battle seems waaaaay ahead of its time for some reason. Wargaming.net rolled out a repro panzer 3 for a convention somewhere and that reportedly cost $80.000 for a tank that's mostly accurate aside from being made from mild steel, the gun only accepting sub-caliber pyrotechnic charges and the engine being new. If you only need an accurate track assembly and make the rest from sheet metal you could probably do much cheaper(comedy option: Vintage tractor + sheet metal = 1:1 Bob Semple Tank reproduction). On the opposite end of the spectrum, calling up a foundry with the message that you need a newly made HL234 engine case and a KwK36 L/56 might result in a 6 digit price quote and a place on a watch list.
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Milo and POTUS posted:That longest day harbour battle seems waaaaay ahead of its time for some reason. IIRC, it’s one of the first times that a scene was filmed from a moving helicopter, and it’s pretty long take of very detailed action on top of that.
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If I had billionaire level gently caress off money I’d commission replicas of tons of WWII armored vehicles based on the exact original specifications terrible design flaws and all.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:If I had billionaire level gently caress off money I’d commission replicas of tons of WWII armored vehicles based on the exact original specifications terrible design flaws and all. This but with all uniforms 18th and 19th century, every rank too.
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Dec 25, 2018 18:53
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:If I had billionaire level gently caress off money I’d commission replicas of tons of WWII armored vehicles based on the exact original specifications terrible design flaws and all. This but with aircraft.
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you don't need to start out with money if you're willing to show up at the gates of a city for "no reason in particular"
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:If I had billionaire level gently caress off money I’d commission replicas of tons of WWII armored vehicles based on the exact original specifications terrible design flaws and all. I'd build a Ratte.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:If I had billionaire level gently caress off money I’d commission replicas of tons of WWII armored vehicles based on the exact original specifications terrible design flaws and all. This, but the Battle of Jutland.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:The Longest Day actually had a real Sherman in a couple scenes which is pretty impressive. That whole movie has got to rank up there as one of the most historically accurate. They even had real D-Day vets play their old officers. I love the Longest Day but getting a working Sherman in 1960 couldn’t have been that hard, it was still a front line tank for many nations at the time. But yea it was cool they had actual WWII vets, had Germans playing Germans, Brits as Brits, French actors, ect. I believe they even pushed Eisenhower to make a cameo but he declined.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:If I had billionaire level gently caress off money I’d commission replicas of tons of WWII armored vehicles based on the exact original specifications terrible design flaws and all. During my GP training (UK family doctor specialism, essentially) I came across an older GP who was an active re-enactor. He and his brother were building what I recall was an ME-109, complete with interior, and had spent £20,000 or so by 2014 for the exterior and a dummy cockpit. They had just decided to build a replica cockpit. It was already booked out for a year between film crews and fairs. Cool guy, actually. Good doctor and kept getting asked to play Goring in the background of BBC shows because he was a little bloke with round glasses who already owned a period appropriate uniform.
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I would rebuild the warspite and moor it in the Thames like it should have been. 
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So I’m finishing up The Last Kingdom alone on Jewish December 25th and while this show loves shield walls, basically everyone has a sword, with some axes, and spears are reserved for incompetent mook guards. Which is obviously not Authentic. I know that the real conflicts of this era would have been BYO Arms and thus mostly spears, some axes, and shields with minimal armour. But would the soldiers in the line in a large conflict have been segregated into units based on armour or weapons, or would axe ceorl and spear ceorl be standing together while mail sword noble commands, or what?
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EdBlackadder posted:During my GP training (UK family doctor specialism, essentially) I came across an older GP who was an active re-enactor. He and his brother were building what I recall was an ME-109, complete with interior, and had spent £20,000 or so by 2014 for the exterior and a dummy cockpit. They had just decided to build a replica cockpit. It was already booked out for a year between film crews and fairs. Air museum near me is restoring a P-61 to flying status. They've been at it for decades now, it was one that had crashed in Papua New Guinea. Lord knows how much money they have in it but some years ago they were offered $6 million and turned it down. It's gone from this:  to something like this:  Since it's likely the only original part left is the nameplate, I figure this counts as a replica (I know the nameplate makes it *not* a replica, officially, but come on). Entirely awesome, though. Right now they're working on the fuel bladders and wiring the wings. http://www.maam.org/p61/p61_begin.htm Phanatic fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Dec 25, 2018 |
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Zorak of Michigan posted:This but with aircraft. Oh I’d do that too. I’d do tons of ridiculously stupid and expensive historical poo poo. Like I’d buy a massive plot of land somewhere and build a full scale Roman legionary camp, complete with watchtowers, palisade, trench, etc and then pay a bunch of people to just spend all day reenacting daily life. Ill visit it like once but they’ll be cameras everywhere streaming so people can watch it I guess.
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fartknocker posted:IIRC, it’s one of the first times that a scene was filmed from a moving helicopter, and it’s pretty long take of very detailed action on top of that. Ah, ok I figured it for a crane at first.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:If I had billionaire level gently caress off money I’d commission replicas of tons of WWII armored vehicles based on the exact original specifications terrible design flaws and all.  Wealth is absolutely wasted on the wealthy
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What the gently caress is going on with my posts
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Milo and POTUS posted:What the gently caress is going on with my posts THE WORLD WONDERS
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It's a standard haunting, you get used to it. Traditionally the ancient goons would banish it by posting dickpicks but victorian sensibilities removed these homegrown protective talismans.
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Phanatic posted:Since it's likely the only original part left is the nameplate, I figure this counts as a replica (I know the nameplate makes it *not* a replica, officially, but come on). It's just a particularly thorough repair job.
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dublish posted:THE WORLD WONDERS I was expecting a general "They're bad!" but you managed to incorporate a milhist reference in there anyway. Did you do that intentionally?
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:US tank destroyer doctrine was drawn up while Germany was still launching massive offensives like Barbarossa and was meant to defend against the same. By the time US ground forces were fighting in Europe, those days were gone. Apart from a few German counterattacks such as Kasserine Pass, Mortain, and the Ardennes, the kind of defensive fighting that the tank destroyer force was created to undertake never happened. I was taught in school that the Ardennes Offensive failed because the Germans ran out of fuel and their attacks faltered in the end, allowing the allied forces to counter-attack them. If that is true, the tank destroyer doctrine sounds like a total failure, as you can't always just assume your enemy will conveniently run out of supplies before you attack
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TerminalSaint posted:Remember that time Klink was bragging to Hogan about the new Tiger tank in development? Does anyone else think that a stalag is a weird setting for a sitcom
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Phanatic posted:Air museum near me is restoring a P-61 to flying status. They've been at it for decades now, it was one that had crashed in Papua New Guinea. Lord knows how much money they have in it but some years ago they were offered $6 million and turned it down. It's gone from this: Oh hey I gave these guys a couple bucks when they had a Kickstarter.
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zoux posted:Does anyone else think that a stalag is a weird setting for a sitcom
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GotLag posted:It's just a particularly thorough repair job. p61 of theseus
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The french version is called Papa Schultz which is way worse. Otoh Klink and Schultz’s actors came from refugee families and Klink, I believe, insisted that the nazi characters never be portrayed as in the right
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:The french version is called Papa Schultz which is way worse. i like black humor, but i don't think this was intended to be that, which is weird
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HEY GUNS posted:👆 its creepy. i read a Mad Magazine comic long ago where the punchline was the same people setting a spinoff in a concentration camp Issue 108 - January 1967, has a straight-on parody of Hogan's Heroes followed on by a parody set in Buchenwald - as explained by the characters at the end of the first comic "Ze American public loves Nazi humor!"     
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That's pretty spicey for 1967. Was PW the common abbreviation for prisoners of war prior to Vietnam?
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fishmech posted:Issue 108 - January 1967, has a straight-on parody of Hogan's Heroes followed on by a parody set in Buchenwald - as explained by the characters at the end of the first comic "Ze American public loves Nazi humor!"
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Oh wow that's... that's pretty dark
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Milo and POTUS posted:Oh wow that's... that's pretty dark Well all the staff associated with those particular pages it were people the Nazis would have had shot for being who they are, World War II veterans, or both. They had quite a lot of reason to be bitter about the whole trend of the fun Nazi on TV then. HEY GUNS posted:that's it! but i was born long after the 60s, i wonder where I got it. MAD did and does a ton of reprinting themed collections and best of collections, sometimes in regular magazine sized formats and sometimes in reduced size paperbacks. A whole bunch of stuff from the whole run of the magazine got recycled that way, it's probably in one of the TV parody collections at a guess.
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zoux posted:Does anyone else think that a stalag is a weird setting for a sitcom It mite be. Prison, the trenches of WW1, a paranormal homicide detective, an Army hospital in the It's also interesting to note how pop culture depictions of the Nazis has really changed throughout the years. Back in the 50s they were the easy go-to bad guys, but the brutality and inhumanity inherit to the regime wasn't anywhere near the limelight. It was all about "those guys we beat in a war" and not "those guys that did some really bad things."
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SlothfulCobra posted:It mite be. Well famously https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pe6hz84_fgU Also I get MASH and Black Adder, what are the other ones
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