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Byzantine posted:Yeah, but that's literally everything in fiction. Most good, well-thought out fiction has internal consistency with the way magical or supernatural elements work. Star Wars does not. The Jedi have a bunch of powers that either do or don't work as the plot demands. Contrast that with, say, Lord of the Rings, where Gandalf is bested a few times, but never because his magic fails to work properly. Most superhero films get that right too.
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asecondduck posted:The Jedi have a bunch of powers that either do or don't work as the plot demands. such as?
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asecondduck posted:Most good, well-thought out fiction has internal consistency with the way magical or supernatural elements work. Star Wars does not. The Jedi have a bunch of powers that either do or don't work as the plot demands. Contrast that with, say, Lord of the Rings, where Gandalf is bested a few times, but never because his magic fails to work properly. Most superhero films get that right too. You're suggesting that it's internally inconsistent for there to be species on whom force mind bending doesn't work? I mean if we met two Hutts that Luke tried to mind control and it didn't work on one but did on the other for some plot reason then you might be on to something but it seems like you're just picking a bone with this I guess in any case this should all go in the Star War thread? Waffles Inc. fucked around with this message at 05:08 on Dec 26, 2018 |
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Dec 26, 2018 05:06
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got any sevens posted:Btw Holmes and Watson is decent fun if you're a sherlock fan
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Lucasfilm and Disney apparently wised up to the fact that Star Wars fan generally love a lot of stuff from the prequel era of Star Wars. We're getting more Prequel content in EA's Battlefront 2 (and they debuted the game with the Naboo level), new toys of Prequel characters with old ones being re-released, and JJ Abrams claiming that Episode 9 will "tie up all three trilogies". Meanwhile, I wonder if Hasbro and Paramount will realise that the relentless 1980s G1 nostalgia of Bumblebee will interest only older fans of Transformers. Newer fans introduced to the franchise by the Michael Bay movies outnumber them, and if those new fans have grown bored of the movies then appealing to nostalgia they do not have is not going to help. Bumblebee is not exactly lighting up the box office, though I suspect that is more because they decided it could compete with Aquaman and Mary Poppins and is wrong about it. We will have to see if it will have legs going into January, because Aquaman might have stronger legs being a new superhero movie vs a Transformers that have starred in 5 other movies.
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Dec 26, 2018 05:12
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The end of the original Star Wars being an homage to Triumph od the Will is lucas saying the rebels werent actually that great and the empire maybe was only depicted so evilly as propaganda Like Starship Troopers
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Dec 26, 2018 05:14
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Brother Entropy posted:such as? I mean Yoda is the most Force intuitive being in existence until he has a meeting with Emperor Hitler Satan in his own office and basically gives him a distrusting glance
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asecondduck posted:Most good, well-thought out fiction has internal consistency with the way magical or supernatural elements work. Star Wars does not. The Jedi have a bunch of powers that either do or don't work as the plot demands. Contrast that with, say, Lord of the Rings, where Gandalf is bested a few times, but never because his magic fails to work properly. Most superhero films get that right too. Gandalf is able to use his powers of persuasion (his main power) to convince one king to get his poo poo together and go to war, but another king tells Gandalf to gently caress off and kills himself instead. The plot justification is that the latter king is mightier and is therefore resistant to taking counsel and letting Gandalf worm his way into his decision making. Which isn’t so different from a Jedi mind trick working on a dumbass grunt in a fascist army but not on a savvy small business owner or head of a crime syndicate. PS I know he is a steward
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One of the best parts of The Last Jedi and the Rebels cartoon was they both had a Star Wars OT character (Luke and Yoda respectively) make canon things the CineD Star Wars thread have been talking about for years.
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asecondduck posted:Most good, well-thought out fiction has internal consistency with the way magical or supernatural elements work. Star Wars does not. The Jedi have a bunch of powers that either do or don't work as the plot demands. Contrast that with, say, Lord of the Rings, where Gandalf is bested a few times, but never because his magic fails to work properly. Most superhero films get that right too. Galdalf dies but then comes back because the plot demands it.
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Brother Entropy posted:such as? such as the introduction of force powers telling a cop to gently caress off
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Star Wars Prequels and OT does really follow a slave brought up in an unjust failing system who succumbs to his darkness and then ultimately redeems himself. That’s a through line and really should cap off the story. I don’t exactly see where the Sequel trilogy falls here except Luke somehow. It’s extranious and Abrams’ being a hack copied A New Hope that at least TLJ tried to salvage. Like it’s made for fanatics for nostalgia who don’t love and understand Star Wars so they hated TLJ.
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Dec 26, 2018 05:48
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Rageaholic Monkey posted:It was actually way funnier than I expected it to be! It's not amazing or anything but I was laughing pretty hard through most of it. Will Ferrell and John C Reilly own as a comedic duo. To give a contrasting opinion, Holmes and Watson currently has a 0% on Rotten Tomatoes, along with an abysmal 19% audience score, which is the lowest I can remember seeing for a long while. It could improve, but it seems unlikely, particularly that audience score. Also, the prequels are great, and definitely superior to the originals. I'm glad to see some defenders here.
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Gatts posted:Star Wars Prequels and OT does really follow a slave brought up in an unjust failing system who succumbs to his darkness and then ultimately redeems himself. That’s a through line and really should cap off the story. no one here is upset about tlj although this is the internet someone is frothing with rage about tlj and we are glad of it
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Dec 26, 2018 05:52
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I mean you have 3 versions of the Deathstar. A New Hope, RotJ and TFA. TFA is unecessary. RotJ I can see if Lucas wanted Black Han Solo to destroy the star so he redid it. TFA is the odd piss take out. Rogue One bridged the Prequels and OT and gave us an original story so it’s legit.
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Don't forget the mini Death Star battering ram in TLJ.
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JfishPirate posted:To give a contrasting opinion, Holmes and Watson currently has a 0% on Rotten Tomatoes, along with an abysmal 19% audience score, which is the lowest I can remember seeing for a long while. It could improve, but it seems unlikely, particularly that audience score.
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Dec 26, 2018 06:03
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Well, you see, Star Wars
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never forget blue leader or gold leader they died like super good pilots for our freedom
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The real heroes were in Rogue One, who died heroically uploading a bittorrent file in defiance of fascism.
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You know whether a star wars is good or not by whether or not a fat guy flies a plane and dies. Jabba flies a skiff which is a sand plane so it counts.
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:You know whether a star wars is good or not by whether or not a fat guy flies a plane and dies. And that man was named Bacon Hitler
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Casimir Radon posted:Technically it doesn't have any reviewer scores attached yet. But the audience score is so abysmal that I doubt it will be much higher. There's 10 reviews so far, with two top critics. It also received a D+ on CinemaScore, emblematic of a truly wretched film. Here's some review quotes! New York Times posted:Smuggling in booze to dispel the sense of dull routine could only help. The AV Club posted:One might call it a failure on almost every level—that is, if the movie ever gave the impression that it was trying to succeed. Instead, it’s pervaded by an air of extreme laziness. Film Pulse posted:In a year with so many notable entries in the annals of cinematic history, it’s a shame that it ends on such a sour note, with the release of one of the most unflinchingly dismal titles to grace the screen in 2018, Holmes & Watson.
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The AV club is not a good source but it's worrying that I've seen gently caress all about H&W
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The Prequels have a bunch of hosed up poo poo happen under Republic watch and not comment on it despite it driving the trilogy like the fact Naboo elected senators to the senate while denying political participation from another sentient (and likely native) species. Like if beautiful wonderful must be defended Naboo has that scale of institutional voter fraud what is going on in the rest of the system. Oh right, completely ignored slavery and interplanetary warfare. Like Phantom Menace does a really great job of showing you how tremendously hosed the entire Republic is and how its coasted on decorum far past its ability to govern and people think it could be skipped to go straight to "the Republic decides instead of cleaning house its time to go martial law"
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Re: holmes: There was quite a bit of ADR that didnt quite match the mouths, but oh well?JfishPirate posted:To give a contrasting opinion, Holmes and Watson currently has a 0% on Rotten Tomatoes, along with an abysmal 19% audience score, which is the lowest I can remember seeing for a long while. It could improve, but it seems unlikely, particularly that audience score. Lol tomatometer dont mean poo poo, look at the scote for Avengers I did see a few walkouts from the sold-out show though, but they looked like old people
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got any sevens posted:Re: holmes: There was quite a bit of ADR that didnt quite match the mouths, but oh well? yeah i read and have bookmarked tomato but I don't trust them if there's an off chance they can take the magic of walk hard and make it a mystery then great if not i will boo these men
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RT keep posting the Critics vs Audience score for older movies on their Instagram and it's always funny when people are offended when they find out The Grinch (the Jim Carrey version) or Hook has Rotten scores.
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The MSJ posted:RT keep posting the Critics vs Audience score for older movies on their Instagram and it's always funny when people are offended when they find out The Grinch (the Jim Carrey version) or Hook has Rotten scores. i will fight you if you don't like Hook
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Dec 26, 2018 07:00
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Go watch The Island with Michael Caine and David Warner. It's like a really dark version of Hook, made more than a decade before.
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Casimir Radon posted:Go watch The Island with Michael Caine and David Warner. It's like a really dark version of Hook, made more than a decade before. I do like Michael Caine e: and David I was in Tron Warner e2: the guy who almost made Titanic worth watching syscall girl fucked around with this message at 07:25 on Dec 26, 2018 |
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JfishPirate posted:To give a contrasting opinion, Holmes and Watson currently has a 0% on Rotten Tomatoes, along with an abysmal 19% audience score, which is the lowest I can remember seeing for a long while. It could improve, but it seems unlikely, particularly that audience score. I went in expecting it to not be that great and it was much more entertaining than I was anticipating. Like I said, it's not the funniest movie ever or anything, but it absolutely does not deserve all the bad reviews. You wanna go see some poo poo that's not entertaining at all? Go see Welcome to Marwen.
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Gatts posted:I mean you have 3 versions of the Deathstar. A New Hope, RotJ and TFA. TFA is unecessary. RotJ I can see if Lucas wanted Black Han Solo to destroy the star so he redid it. TFA is the odd piss take out. Starkiller base would have been so much cooler if it had been revealed to be a New Republic secret future Death Star nuclear deterrent that the First Order hijacked.
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Fart City posted:Starkiller base would have been so much cooler if it had been revealed to be a New Republic secret future Death Star nuclear deterrent that the First Order hijacked. Did they reuse star killer with that?
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Waffles Inc. posted:I guess in any case this should all go in the Star War thread? That'd be appreciated by the posters who just want to talk about current/upcoming bombs and not one of the most successful multimedia franchises of all time.
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syscall girl posted:i will fight you if you don't like Hook I like it just find. A lot of beloved movies has Rotten scores. By the way, do you know there's a new Shaft movie coming. Not a remake, but a sequel to that other Shaft movie, which was a sequel to the TV series. With a new Shaft. 3 generations of Shaft: 
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Dec 26, 2018 10:49
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Triple shafted is my new pornhub search string
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syscall girl posted:e2: the guy who almost made Titanic worth watching Kate Winslet's left booby?
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The MSJ posted:Lucasfilm and Disney apparently wised up to the fact that Star Wars fan generally love a lot of stuff from the prequel era of Star Wars. We're getting more Prequel content in EA's Battlefront 2 (and they debuted the game with the Naboo level), new toys of Prequel characters with old ones being re-released, and JJ Abrams claiming that Episode 9 will "tie up all three trilogies". This whole idea that people hated the prequels is exaggerated. Most people liked them. The fact that people have spent 10 years parroting an RLM video distorts things. Conversely, I don't think one can really dispute that more people dislike the new movies (or at least Last Jedi - I think most people might still like Force Awakens if only because much of the criticism of Last Jedi I've seen is comparing it unfavourably to Force Awakens, and more recently to Avengers: Infinity War) than like them. Barudak posted:The Prequels have a bunch of hosed up poo poo happen under Republic watch and not comment on it despite it driving the trilogy like the fact Naboo elected senators to the senate while denying political participation from another sentient (and likely native) species. Like if beautiful wonderful must be defended Naboo has that scale of institutional voter fraud what is going on in the rest of the system. Oh right, completely ignored slavery and interplanetary warfare. Indeed, the Trade Federation were morally right to blockade Naboo; it was comparable to sanctions against apartheid South Africa, really.
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got any sevens posted:Whats that newcastle line mean? “Bringing coals to Newcastle” is an expression meaning “doing something superfluous or unnecessary”: Newcastle was a coal mining town so shipping coal there would theoretically be pointless. Basically Ebert was saying “why do women use tattoos to enhance their breasts? They are already perfect!” 
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