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JuJu isn't a top 10 WR, but he is good and is getting better rapidly. Maybe part of that is even due to coaching!
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mcmagic posted:He's not a good coach. He's replacement level at best. lol this is always my favorite part of the show, no matter how many schools and franchises I see it at
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shirts and skins posted:Do you suppose those players perform at that level in a vacuum? Do they design the plays they run and run those routes on their own? This is an argument against Tomlin.
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Phobeste posted:Tfw you’re telling on yourself Hell of a dogwhistle innit.
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mcmagic posted:This is an argument against Tomlin. It's quite the opposite I assure you. If Luck makes the hall of fame someday, we'll certainly look to Indy's hiring of Reich as the turning point of his career. He was going nowhere near it with the coaches he had before. You don't have a team with a hall of fame QB, a top tier WR, and (until this year) a top tier RB without very good coaching. They simply wouldn't be in a position to put up the numbers.
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shirts and skins posted:It's quite the opposite I assure you. If Luck makes the hall of fame someday, we'll certainly look to Indy's hiring of Reich as the turning point of his career. He was going nowhere near it with the coaches he had before. Just look at Phillip Rivers and Tony Romo. They played on some absurdly talented teams, but never had anywhere near the success Roethlisberger's had because Norv Turner and Jason Garrett were/are far worse coaches than Tomlin is.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Just look at Phillip Rivers and Tony Romo. They played on some absurdly talented teams, but never had anywhere near the success Roethlisberger's had because Norv Turner and Jason Garrett were/are far worse coaches than Tomlin is. I think Tomlin and Garrett are pretty much the same level of bad coach. shirts and skins posted:It's quite the opposite I assure you. If Luck makes the hall of fame someday, we'll certainly look to Indy's hiring of Reich as the turning point of his career. He was going nowhere near it with the coaches he had before. This isn't a good argument. NTM that Tomlin has nothing to do with the offense. The only thing keeping Luck out of the HOF no matter who his coach was is his OLine's ability to protect him and his health. They literally upgraded his OL from horrible to league average this year, he still has mediocre skill players and he's playing like an MVP. Ben played at a high level before Tomlin was his coach and the idea that players like Brown or Bell wouldn't have great NFL careers without Tomlin is pretty dumb.
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mcmagic posted:I think Tomlin and Garrett are pretty much the same level of bad coach. Jason Garrett has one playoff 'win'* and two playoff appearances in 8 seasons of coaching. You might want to reevaluate your stance here. *yes I'm still mad
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mcmagic posted:I think Tomlin and Garrett are pretty much the same level of bad coach. Something in your brain is broken.
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Yeah I think Tomlin is just Mike McCarthy but no way is he Garrett tier.
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It's funny how the NFL works for 90% of the people involved. The GM gets lucky in the draft and the coach is a genus. Otherwise he's an idiot who can't coach. The O-Line stays healthy and the Running back is an All-Pro. Otherwise he's an overpaid bum. Add talent at WR and the QB is fantastic! Why wasn't he this good last year?
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If you look very carefully the AFC North is just like the AFC East, so Tomlin not being Patriot's level good is just kinda unforgivable when you think about it. The Bills and the Ravens have basically been the same team for the past ten years. It's unforgivable.
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Add melatonin and the player is no longer gritty or cerebral.
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Melanin* Add melatonin and the player gets drowsy E: although you have a point
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Dagen H posted:Melanin* Uhhhhh... that's exactly what I meant. 
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Tomlin can be a good coach and you can also say that the Steelers might need to get a new one. The same thing happened in Philly with Reid where all parties just needed a fresh start.
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Codependent Poster posted:Tomlin can be a good coach and you can also say that the Steelers might need to get a new one. The same thing happened in Philly with Reid where all parties just needed a fresh start. Maybe, but remember that Reid's tenure in Philadelphia came to an end after a four-year decline, culminating in an extremely disappointing 4-12 season. And hey, maybe this might be the start of a similar decline, but Tomlin's still only a year removed from a 13-3 season, two years removed from the AFC Championship game, and will still finish this season with a winning record, so it's hard for me to accept that the time to fire him is now, or even soon. e: I will point out that the Lions just fired winning coach for underachieving, and that has resulted in spectacular failure thus far. Good coaches are hard to find, guys! Acebuckeye13 fucked around with this message at 07:07 on Dec 26, 2018 |
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Codependent Poster posted:Tomlin can be a good coach and you can also say that the Steelers might need to get a new one. The same thing happened in Philly with Reid where all parties just needed a fresh start. Moving away from reid was a disaster that through chance turned into something after an embarrassing ride. People keep bringing this up like it was the secret to success. Maybe, just maybe, the eagles would have even had more success by keep their great coach.
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Sickening posted:Moving away from reid was a disaster that through chance turned into something after an embarrassing ride. People keep bringing this up like it was the secret to success. Maybe, just maybe, the eagles would have even had more success by keep their great coach. Reid hired his OL coach as DC. Dude 100% checked out at the end
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I remember Mike Tomlin tried to trip / block that ravens player on a possible kick return TD, showing he'll do whatever it takes to win which is the mark of a great coach
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Ehud posted:Miami is probably gonna keep Gase and Grier but fire Tannenbaum This team isn't going to be any good until Stephen Ross dies
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Darth Brooks posted:It's funny how the NFL works for 90% of the people involved. The GM gets lucky in the draft and the coach is a genus. Otherwise he's an idiot who can't coach. The O-Line stays healthy and the Running back is an All-Pro. Otherwise he's an overpaid bum. Add talent at WR and the QB is fantastic! Why wasn't he this good last year? poo poo, look at Ryan pace. Getting the gift of mack added like 8 wins to the team and made every other player look way better than ever before
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Sickening posted:Moving away from reid was a disaster that through chance turned into something after an embarrassing ride. People keep bringing this up like it was the secret to success. Maybe, just maybe, the eagles would have even had more success by keep their great coach. Perhaps they could even be defending Super Bowl champs! Reid should always be remembered as one of the greatest Eagles coaches who ushered in their greatest level of sustained success. It was also absolutely time for both parties to move on after 14 years.
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MD2020 posted:Perhaps they could even be defending Super Bowl champs! Same but Ron Rivera. Strange it's almost like he learned something from his mentor...
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^^--Yeah his coaching tree is pretty ridiculousNissin Cup Nudist posted:Reid hired his OL coach as DC. Dude 100% checked out at the end The story as Reid tells it is he himself thought he had too much front office power in Philly and he didn't like that part of the game and just wanted to get back to coaching. Of course I think almost everyone believes he had something to do with why Dorsey is not the GM in KC anymore so I'm not sure if he doesn't still have that problem. Also half of Chiefs fans would probably hire that OL coach as DC at the moment sight unseen. They wouldn't be right obviously but man is he loyal to poo poo coaches.
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I like to think that ol coach was talking massive poo poo about how defense is so easy then reid said okay you're dc now
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Flikken posted:Have you never posted here before? That was Hue's first interview question. "Ever coached before?"
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Mike Vrabel seems to be an alright coach and I'm glad the Titans didn't gently caress it up like they could have
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Demon Of The Fall posted:like they could have https://twitter.com/davebirkett/status/1078022480923684864
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As soon as that story about Matt Patricia got posted, Tom Coughlin got even angrier than usual and didn't know why
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Demon Of The Fall posted:Mike Vrabel seems to be an alright coach and I'm glad the Titans didn't gently caress it up like they could have He seems like a very Tomlin/Rivera/Fat Mike type of coach which I think is something the Titans needed. Hopefully he can bring some consistency there
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he might be (is) a totally lovely coach and this may be a reflection of some of the reasons why, but if I'm picking qualities in a guy I want to lead my football team "punctuality to their press availability" is not anywhere on the list. in fact it might be one of the things I don't want in a coach e: which is to say, I think people are just looking for more reasons to be mad at him cause we already don't like him much
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indigi posted:he might be (is) a totally lovely coach and this may be a reflection of some of the reasons why, but if I'm picking qualities in a guy I want to lead my football team "punctuality to their press availability" is not anywhere on the list. in fact it might be one of the things I don't want in a coach I don't care about that either, but he's also late to team meetings, which is completely unacceptable from a coach. There's been some bullshit as well (running sprints in preseason / practicing outside), but he has to be pretty happy about Steve Wilks and Hue Jackson otherwise he'd be getting mocked 10x as much as he has been for this performance.
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Kalli posted:There's been some bullshit as well (running sprints in preseason / practicing outside), but he has to be pretty happy about Steve Wilks and Hue Jackson otherwise he'd be getting mocked 10x as much as he has been for this performance. yeah I feel like even Vance Joseph has been catching more poo poo (nationally) until now. that win against the Patriots bought him some skating time
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indigi posted:yeah I feel like even Vance Joseph has been catching more poo poo (nationally) until now. that win against the Patriots bought him some skating time just as planned
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