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This Shirt https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Cap...sAbTest=ae803_3
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Silver isn't that expensive, and it's a tiny amount of material formed into a simple shape.
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Dec 27, 2018 03:41
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Still wondering if it's plated base metal with 925 stamped on it. I'll throw a couple bucks at curiosity, why not.
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Dec 27, 2018 04:36
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The reason people call things cheap Chinese crap is that they come from china and are cheap and crap. I think you guys may be reading too deeply into it. Now if they're saying "China can't/doesn't make anything good" that'd be racist.
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Dec 27, 2018 04:44
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You can get 72 for $15 here, so could be legit. No butterflies for the back though, which might be a hassle.
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Dec 27, 2018 04:45
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queserasera posted:Too good to be sterling? It's true that silver isn't that expensive, but it's also true that silver plate is even cheaper than solid silver and aliexpress is really really bad at labeling materials. (Try searching for "wool" and be amazed at all the stuff that has obviously never been near a sheep.) At that price could be what they claim, or it could be totally bogus. Since they are cheap your best bet might be to buy 1 and test it. Scratch the surface or use tin snips to snip off the ends of one of the posts, is the material inside the same or is it a plate? Does it react to a magnet? Wear one for a couple days and see if your ears lobe turns green. I dunno what else, but there's lots of articles online about how to tell if silver is real or fake. If it passes the easy tests then you can buy more.
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Dec 27, 2018 04:48
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This is off-topic but "wool" is used equally misleadingly in the UK. As far as I can tell, there it means "anything you might knit with" or "any kind of fiber," and only among specialists does it mean it might've been near a sheep at some point. But like, what we'd call cotton balls they call cotton wool. I think aliexpress's use of "wool" may come from that background as opposed to being deliberate lies like "100% gold" or "pure steel" or whatever.
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Dec 27, 2018 05:20
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i like nice words
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amazing
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Dec 27, 2018 05:32
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That rad shirt doesn't ship to Canada 
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Dec 27, 2018 05:38
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Charles Bukowski posted:That rad shirt doesn't ship to Canada I thought the Ali express sellers were still punishing you for your postal strikes?
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Dec 27, 2018 09:15
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Is that a capybara? Edit: Clicked the link on desktop. Yes, it is a capybara.
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Dec 27, 2018 09:28
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norp posted:I thought the Ali express sellers were still punishing you for your postal strikes? Our postal strike ended like a week ago I think.
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Dec 27, 2018 11:28
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Charles Bukowski posted:Our postal strike ended like a week ago I think. It ended over a month ago. A bunch of vendors still haven't fixed their listings though, lol. I'm guessing that most vendors heard about the strike from China Post telling them they can't guarantee delivery on time, which caused them to immediately either cut off sales to canada or offer alternate expensive shipping. They go to ship, China post complains, and listings are changed right away. The strike ending has no such urgency. They aren't getting orders from Canada so they have no reason to check with China Post to see how things are going. If anyone bothered to send a notice to all the vendors it was probably lost in the daily email churn because it's a low priority item.
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Dec 27, 2018 14:33
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yea when i try to add stuff to my cart it says the shipping will be like $50 so i haven’t ordered poo poo in months
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Dec 27, 2018 15:30
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Achtane posted:From earlier in the thread, I got this sweet RC 80's Toyota pickup and customized it to match my dad's, just in time for Christmas.  I've been tinkering with mine quite a bit and recently purchased an air brush so I will be painting mine soon.
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Dec 27, 2018 16:02
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Ugh, Aliexpress just texted me about some new years sale
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Dec 27, 2018 20:09
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taqueso posted:The same logic might apply to someone at the local craft bazaar selling eye shadow. Did they even know how to do it right or follow the laws? Buying from a large established brand or retailer provides some level of trustworthiness. it's possible some of those guys are banking on just skipping town and disappearing the night after they make that sweet sweet $200 but barring that if someone goes wrong with their product and they get sued they, personally, will have their lives ruined in a way nobody calling the shots at Walmart ever will so not really, no
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Dec 27, 2018 21:44
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A customer at work today brought in a counterfeit bicycle tire. It looked nearly identical to the real thing, all the same mold markings, etc. The first tip off was that it refused to seat on the rim. Then we noticed the logo was grey instead of white. After comparing it to the real thing the rubber had an entirely different feel, they counterfeit also weighed less. It looks like a clear case of a manufacturer using the exact same mold, but different materials. The counterfeit is likely made in the same factory as the original, but it's absolutely not the same in quality or material. I definitely wouldn't trust my life to it at 40+ mph. No idea where he got it, but it's an example of looks being deceiving and things not being created equal.
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Dec 27, 2018 23:34
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I'm into this
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Dec 27, 2018 23:44
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eSporks posted:A customer at work today brought in a counterfeit bicycle tire. In a way, I think for 9 out of 10 people, the counterfeit bike tire you mentioned would probably be good enough, assuming you could actually get it mounted. I agree it's probably not safe at 40mph but I think casual riders won't be going 40mph, the lovely part is I am assuming this tire was priced and advertised for people who can go 40mph on a bike. What I mean to say is I expect AliExpress quality to be lower than genuine goods, but I expect it to be good enough. I certainly wouldn't want to buy expensive, critical sports gear on Ali, and similarly buying cleaning chemicals from Ali kinda scares me. I might still try the melamine sponges if they won't melt my skin, but I'm not sure I want to have to deal with chunks of melamine foam on everything I try to clean.
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Dec 27, 2018 23:59
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There's tons of stuff that works just fine when it's just some vaguely appropriate material cast in the shape of the thing you want (which is what the offbrand Chinese stuff always is) and there's stuff where you really do want to shell out for high-end materials with specific properties, it doesn't matter for a toy or a yoga mat but you don't need to be Lance Armstrong for tires made of just plain ol' rubber to be a bad idea. Yeah, it might work out 9 out of 10 times, but is your failure condition the thing rips and you have to replace it with another $10 item or that you blow out and crash into a cement truck? IDK that you'd have all that much to worry about with cleaners honestly, it's not like there's an even cheaper substitute for soap. They might step on it with fillers, but the filler's gonna be glycerin or water, they're not putting polonium in your hand lotion just to gently caress with you. Worst likely case is you just don't get very clean. Worst outlier case, it's made in some guy's garage downwind of the Agent Orange factory, but he's also the guy who makes it using better-quality ingredients for the big brands so you're hosed regardless. A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 00:29 on Dec 28, 2018 |
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Dec 28, 2018 00:11
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eSporks posted:No idea where he got it, but it's an example of looks being deceiving and things not being created equal. Counterfeits can and do wind up in the legitimate supply chain. I purchased a $2000 Merida from a large bike store where the wheels were built on legitimate Shimano hubs but the rims were "alexims" - I highly doubt the real deal would get the company name wrong on the decals. I wish I had taken photos rather than just de-labellng them with a hair dryer.
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Dec 28, 2018 00:28
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Crotch Fruit posted:I am surprised I haven't seen any blatant counterfeit goods on AliExpress. You arent looking very hard at all then. I posted the LAMY pens. You can find OGIO backpacks and Dainese motorcycle gear that is clearly a counterfeit. There are sports jerseys for sale and designer handbags carbon fibre Zipp wheels and handlebars The anime figures are also fakes. There are tons of fake samsung and sandisk SD cards on AE
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Dec 28, 2018 00:33
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It’s also less a “lol, Chinese” or even “lol, AliExpress” thing, but a “lol, counterfeiters” thing. If you get a genuine Chinese brand on Ali, it will be perfectly good. Things like genuine iLife or Xiaomi are perfectly safe and their CE markings probably even genuine and not added with magic marker afterwards. They have proper brands and quality control, but are also not cheap. Getting counterfeits is a lottery. If it’s something that cannot be done cheaper than safe or is safe when failing, it’s ok. If not, then “caveat emptor,” because while rating matter, a seller can just shut down and start a new shop. Even good (Chinese) brands get fakes, so make sure to buy from the proper shops. Especially phones are known to get a fake firmware that will steal data. Other things that don’t fall into either category are also great, especially things that are custom made and where materials are not the main part of the price are often quite great.
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Dec 28, 2018 00:35
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:There's tons of stuff that works just fine when it's just some vaguely appropriate material cast in the shape of the thing you want (which is what the offbrand Chinese stuff always is) and there's stuff where you really do want to shell out for high-end materials with specific properties, it doesn't matter for a toy or a yoga mat but you don't need to be Lance Armstrong for tires made of just plain ol' rubber to be a bad idea. Yeah, it might work out 9 out of 10 times, but is your failure condition the thing rips and you have to replace it with another $10 item or that you blow out and crash into a cement truck? you are giving them too much credit. If they were willing to save money on baby formula by cutting it with poison do you really think ethics plays any part? Many many children died. Lets say you have a ton of industrial waste and someone is going to take if off your hands for free. That guy could be putting it in anything. For him it was free and he doesnt even need a factory to buy brand name goods, cut them by 30% and reseal them. Finding garbage as a filler in just about anything is extremely common. Sometimes that garbage is industrial waste. There are people who process oily poo poo sewage into cooking oil and see nothing wrong with it Fauxtool fucked around with this message at 00:49 on Dec 28, 2018 |
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Dec 28, 2018 00:39
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The knock off bike tire was a high end tire. The guy using it was definitely planning on using it at high speeds. It's not uncommon to see things on Ali that look identical to name brand stuff, especially electronics. In some cases they may even be from the same factory. The moral of the anecdote is that same factory doesn't always mean same quality. This tire was clearly manufactured using the same molds. I trust the materials specced by engineers but I don't trust the materials chosen by a counterfiter cutting costs. An electronic or health related item might look identical, but you don't know what's in there. Are they using the same rated wiring? Did they forego saftey measures to save cost? Using a cheaper battery prone to explosion? You don't really know, and they don't have reputation to uphold. When I buy I Ali I just assume everything will fall, then you have to ask if the failure mode is acceptable. A fountain pen or a desk organizer breaking is no big deal, but something that could cause injury or property damage is.
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Dec 28, 2018 01:42
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Fauxtool posted:you are giving them too much credit. If they were willing to save money on baby formula by cutting it with poison do you really think ethics plays any part? Many many children died. I'm giving them the credit of I've seen the inside of Chinese factories and I understand their production processes, which are basically the same as the ones we use here. Even if I felt the need to tell myself the yellow peril is much more malicious than Johnson and Johnson they're still relying on razor-thin margins and huge economies of scale to turn a profit selling at the prices they do, and "a ton of industrial waste" is a pretty inconsistent supplier. If the sinister Chinaman upends a 55-gallon drum of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles ooze into his silicone vat and it doesn't cure at the end he's wiped out months of profit. Their logistics chains are totally opaque and QA is a joke but those are... the exact same problems we see with every stateside company that outsources production, not even overseas just to the anonymous network of sub-sub-subcontractors. Your next door neighbor could be filling empty soap bottles with nuclear waste and horse cum just the same as someone in Shenzhen, if they don't fail a sniff test by the next couple of fly-by-night fulfillment companies up they'll seamlessly dissapear into the supply chain, get intermixed with thousands of other identical bottles, and by the time they're on the shelves at CVS literally nobody will be able to tell you where they came from. Better check that that generic dishsoap you just bought has a serial, a date and an inspector's stamp!
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Dec 28, 2018 01:44
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:I'm giving them the credit of I've seen the inside of Chinese factories and I understand their production processes, which are basically the same as the ones we use here. Even if I felt the need to tell myself the yellow peril is much more malicious than Johnson and Johnson they're still relying on razor-thin margins and huge economies of scale to turn a profit selling at the prices they do, and "a ton of industrial waste" is a pretty inconsistent supplier. If the sinister Chinaman upends a 55-gallon drum of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles ooze into his silicone vat and it doesn't cure at the end he's wiped out months of profit. Eh, the (north American) manufacturing I'm familiar with has routine contamination issues that are caught by inhouse QC or by the customer. If it was sold on Ali with no QC you would get contaminated stuff sometimes, no sinister drums required.
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Dec 28, 2018 04:24
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If I recall Ali was at least attempting to curb the counterfeit stuff in an effort to look more like a legitimate retailer to the western market. There’s definitely other Chinese sites were it’s significantly easier to find knock off stuff.
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Dec 28, 2018 04:45
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1500quidpoocati posted:If I recall Ali was at least attempting to curb the counterfeit stuff in an effort to look more like a legitimate retailer to the western market. There’s definitely other Chinese sites were it’s significantly easier to find knock off stuff. Yeah, Ali seems to be pretty good about scrubbing obvious counterfeits. You need to go to dhgate to get the good stuff. Like a $500 dollar Eotech sight.  Oh, sorry, I mean EOTeke. E: ooh, they even come in pretty colors unlike the originals. 
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Dec 28, 2018 05:08
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pinarello dogman posted:Eh, the (north American) manufacturing I'm familiar with has routine contamination issues that are caught by inhouse QC or by the customer. If it was sold on Ali with no QC you would get contaminated stuff sometimes, no sinister drums required. Oh yeah it happens but it's a manageable risk, and no more likely to come from AE than any box store, given how supply lines are actually handled nowadays. "contamination caught by the customer" would be the exact situation we're talking about, and having spent time working with some of the firms that get contracted to actually make and deliver the stuff big companies sell has thoroughly rid me of the notion that if someone out there wants to put poison in my shampoo anyone is going to do much of anything to intercept it, on Aliexpress or off it. That it doesn't happen more often is more a testament to hawking poison being a lot of extra trouble to go through than consumer goods being much more closely scrutinized than they were in Upton Sinclair times. AE stuff is really likely to be worse than what you'd buy from a local store in boring corner-cutting ways like using plated steel where the design calls for brass, sticking a fancy chip's label on a much cheaper one instead of shelling out for the good stuff, using crappy dyes that come out in the wash or on your skin. They're no more likely than anywhere else to be worse in histrionic racist ways like me chinese, me play joke, me put uranium in your coke. anyway how do I get one of these in my size and I'm not sure Alibaba understands what "drag queen" means, but I approve A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 06:57 on Dec 28, 2018 |
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Dec 28, 2018 06:54
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Even mainlanders are scared of their own health and food products which is why the rich go to Hong Kong and buy stuff in bulk to bring back home. Lead contamination specifically is extremely widespread and can show up in everything from tools to health supplements to the paint on toys. The lead poisoning rate is about 10% there and about 40% of Chinese citizens polled describe themselves as "very concerned" about product contamination so lol if you think it's just xenophobic concerns.
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Dec 28, 2018 07:20
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It's pure conjecture, but I imagine the situation being more like: oops, we messed up the pH on the batch and it could be irritating to skin. We know proctor and Gamble spot check each shipment but we can't take the loss. Let's just sell it under a house brand on the black market. That tire for example could have easily been that. Or a first run prototype that was rejected by the name brand.
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Dec 28, 2018 07:33
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Wifi Toilet posted:Yeah, Ali seems to be pretty good about scrubbing obvious counterfeits. You need to go to dhgate to get the good stuff. Like a $500 dollar Eotech sight. Can I get a link to this please
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Dec 28, 2018 07:45
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I highly recommend Poorly Made in China by Paul Midler. It's an eyewitness account by a seasoned Mandarin-speaking middle man who wrangles Chinese low-rent manufacturers for a living. It describes really well how stuff like those tires come about - there is nothing accidental about them.
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Dec 28, 2018 07:52
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Mae posted:Can I get a link to this please https://www.dhgate.com/product/2018-new-558-holographic-red-green-dot-sight/423334172.html with matching magnifier: https://www.dhgate.com/product/2017-new-arrival-eo-tech-exps3-4-hws-g33/405958893.html (please do not spend $150 dollars on this) e: the top pic is a link if that's the one you meant Wifi Toilet fucked around with this message at 08:20 on Dec 28, 2018 |
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Dec 28, 2018 08:14
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NoneMoreNegative posted:Same and then looked at the new seller feedback posted since I bought it, it’s not looking good tbh. Welp; https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Cos...2949218596.html Was the original listing, what you actually get is a thin fleece hoodie with some extra shoulder and elbow flaps, and (with my parcel at least) no visor/mask at all. It’s warm enough for around the house as a single-layer outer layer and it seems to be stitched together competently, but not worth twenty bucks of fun, I’m sad to say.
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Dec 28, 2018 14:19
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eSporks posted:It's pure conjecture, but I imagine the situation being more like: nah they're literally just dumping toy-grade latex and polyester in the molds and selling that for a few bucks less instead of the whole rigamarole with kevlar piles or whatever you're supposed to put in real tires, once that contract's over but there's still some life in the tooling. And there's pretty low odds P&G check at all beyond verifying that there's goop in the bottles. A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 16:13 on Dec 28, 2018 |
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Dec 28, 2018 16:08
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1500quidpoocati posted:If I recall Ali was at least attempting to curb the counterfeit stuff in an effort to look more like a legitimate retailer to the western market. There’s definitely other Chinese sites were it’s significantly easier to find knock off stuff. Attempting is the key word. I bought some knock-off purses that were clearly supposed to be specific Gucci purses. In the photos on the AliExpress listing, there were no logos or identifying marks, you had to know what the Gucci purse looked like to know that's what it was. When I received it, it had a Gucci logo and tags. IIRC the listing was something like "high end luxury leather purse" with no text that could potentially get the listing taken down.
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barbecue at the folks posted:I highly recommend Poorly Made in China by Paul Midler. It's an eyewitness account by a seasoned Mandarin-speaking middle man who wrangles Chinese low-rent manufacturers for a living. It describes really well how stuff like those tires come about - there is nothing accidental about them. Was that the guy who talked about workers cutting chips off random thrown out American electronics and just washing that poo poo in the local river to be reused in whatever poo poo the manufacturers thought they could get away with putting it in? Cause that was a wild ride.
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