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Penisface posted:thanks for the advice, i will ask them about this definitely and let’s see how it goes oh yeah, i forgot where you are idk japanese law at all but even if they can somehow compel you to sign... this seems like something you'd ask in a "foreigners in japan" type forum? i mean i'm sure we have our fair share of weeaboos here but we're going to have a pretty heavy western culture and law knowledge bias here
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I'm having trouble imagining any sort of legal system where one party could compel you to sign a "contract" where you give up valuable rights in exchange for nothing in return.
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people itt talking about what a background check firm “needs” to provide fundamentally don’t get it the employer is the paying customer, not the applicant. the background check people will provide anything and everything asked for, including your past aliases. your privacy is irrelevant and they don’t care how uncomfortable it is — you ain’t the one paying the bill. most companies really only care about salary history and any relevant crimes (e.g. wire fraud, hacking charges, embezzlement) but they will dig up everything in that process in other countries this poo poo is handled by government bureaus, to avoid the privacy nightmare, but this is the USA, so instead every employer rummages through your private life for fun — p.s. my last two (2) jobs, their background check firms demanded my freaking tax returns. that is public info in many countries but sensitive as hell in the u.s. boy howdy was I pissed about it, but what was I gonna do? walk, after accepting an offer and resigning my prior job? they have got you by the short and curlies and they know it
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MononcQc posted:Generally there would not be a problem with most things; checking employments or school history is hardly going to reveal your religion or sexual orientation, nor your medical background. However, communicating a name change (here's the past name of this person) is pretty much guaranteed to reveal their trans status. Trans people are generally a protected group, and even if you went with a super regressive vision where you treat it as a mental illness, you'd still be revealing medical information which would still not be right. in the u.s., federally, neither your trans status nor sexual orientation nor health matters are protected you can straight up say applications from homosexuals, cancer patients, and arachnophobics will not be considered, and there will be no consequences some states have better protections but it is far from universal
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Dec 28, 2018 05:06
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as with all labor matters in the u.s., “it depends” but “you’re hosed” is a typical outcome
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:in the u.s., federally, neither your trans status nor sexual orientation nor health matters are protected i kinda assume most convos deal w/ california, which is a point of light in the darkness wrt that sorta thing
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Dec 28, 2018 05:11
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bob dobbs is dead posted:i kinda assume most convos deal w/ california, which is a point of light in the darkness wrt that sorta thing yeah California protections are expansive enough to sometimes actually make a difference
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Dec 28, 2018 05:23
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of course HR departments are happy to handle all kinds of protected class info by the time of the background check, so intrusive nonsense is still the norm there. they know whether you are married, how many children you have, etc etc
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Dec 28, 2018 05:25
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maybe it's time for the US to become a developed country again
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Yeah I don't see how even the most shallow of background checks wouldn't reveal something like marital status or age which are protected states in job terms but easily discoverable. I feel background checks probably shouldn't be legal at all on those grounds alone but America is a hell country where your employer is free to gently caress your eyes out for the most part.
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:people itt talking about what a background check firm “needs” to provide fundamentally don’t get it lol what the gently caress did they not tell you that they were doing a background check until after you accepted the job
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i just can't get over how much freedom you people in the usa have
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ShadowHawk posted:I'm having trouble imagining any sort of legal system where one party could compel you to sign a "contract" where you give up valuable rights in exchange for nothing in return. i think this happens in every legal system to an extent. probably in the states, you could point to plea bargains for someone being charged with everything humanly possible as an example. particularly in japan my impression of the legal system is that what the law says and what people actually do are sometimes quite different. for instance, the law says everyone is entitled to N days of PTO per year, but people are often not spending that time because according to the unwritten laws of the work culture, taking days off is seen as a negative thing. so if you take too much PTO in the eyes of some rear end in a top hat manager, then no matter what the law says you are now instantly in trouble because you are obviously not hard working. this is how a firing happens in the permanent employment system too - unwanted people are psychologically pressured to just quit their jobs, because according to the contract you can only fire someone for maliciousness or when the company is in financial trouble or when the person is not doing their job properly (good luck proving that though). right now i guess the company is half-threatening me to sign the non-compete or they will refuse to end my contract - i am 99% sure that the law says i can end the contract with 30 days notice without asking for anyone's permission, but in order to get the company to comply with the law, there is an opportunity cost of my time, energy and in the worst case lawyer fees. this can also gently caress up my next job if i now get tangled in this lengthy process and i am unable to start on the date i promised. i got to see the document today - 2 years non compete in very vague terms, not even limiting it to a specific industry, just that i can not work in any company that competes with the current one. and no severance of course.
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Penisface posted:right now i guess the company is half-threatening me to sign the non-compete or they will refuse to end my contract - i am 99% sure that the law says i can end the contract with 30 days notice without asking for anyone's permission, but in order to get the company to comply with the law, there is an opportunity cost of my time, energy and in the worst case lawyer fees. this can also gently caress up my next job if i now get tangled in this lengthy process and i am unable to start on the date i promised. Does your labor contract have penalties if you leave early? When does it end? quote:i got to see the document today - 2 years non compete in very vague terms, not even limiting it to a specific industry, just that i can not work in any company that competes with the current one. and no severance of course.
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in the time you took to write that, you could have found an employment lawyer in japan and asked them about your situation
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it's year end holidays here at the moment so everything stops until next friday. what i will do is first tell the company that i am not signing anything, and then if they still insist, i will find a lawyer. already sent an e-mail to the local embassy to see if they have any good contacts or experience resolving this. thanks for the advice 
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PCjr sidecar posted:didn’t you just have an adventure in this thread where you didn’t know what you were talking about but kept talking Yeah but this time I'm 100% covered by a disclaimer so it's all good
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Penisface posted:it's year end holidays here at the moment so everything stops until next friday. given the standard japanese advice of 'dont make a fuss', but at the same time being a foreigner they probably think that you don't know you're expected to just shut up and sign
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redleader posted:i just can't get over how much freedom you people in the usa have
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redleader posted:i just can't get over how much freedom you people in the usa have corporations are people, my friend
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in fact one could say the better more free people
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:people itt talking about what a background check firm “needs” to provide fundamentally don’t get it people aren't complaining because they think it's illegal, they are complaining because it SHOULD be illegal hth
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:ask for a few percent more Arcsech posted:read this immediately: https://www.kalzumeus.com/2012/01/23/salary-negotiation/ i managed to negotiate myself a signing bonus. thanks everybody!
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Tatsujin posted:given the standard japanese advice of 'dont make a fuss', but at the same time being a foreigner they probably think that you don't know you're expected to just shut up and sign don't sign
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Captain Foo posted:lol what the gently caress did they not tell you that they were doing a background check until after you accepted the job well my previous experiences with background checks did not include fun tricks like demanding tax returns
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Mahatma Goonsay posted:i managed to negotiate myself a signing bonus. thanks everybody! hell yeah get that  , good job
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Cold on a Cob posted:people aren't complaining because they think it's illegal, they are complaining because it SHOULD be illegal again, they're legally mandated by the government so you'd need to also get rid of exclusion lists which is gonna be pretty hard.
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it was my understanding that for japanese professionals there are no "next places"
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Mahatma Goonsay posted:i managed to negotiate myself a signing bonus. thanks everybody! nice
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Shaggar posted:again, they're legally mandated by the government so you'd need to also get rid of exclusion lists which is gonna be pretty hard. we can’t get rid of background checks but they could be less intrusive if tax data were public instead of jealously guarded, or if criminal convictions were stored in a single database, life could be nicer that won’t happen tho
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also if we had national identifiers instead of a mix of names, dob, addresses, and improper & inconsistent use of SSN.
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:we can’t get rid of background checks but they could be less intrusive MARK OF THE BEAST MARK OF THE BEAST
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While we're at it drug tests are just as bad. Unconstitutional as unreasonable search and seizure of my piss
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:people itt talking about what a background check firm “needs” to provide fundamentally don’t get it as fun as it is to watch you blow right past an is/ought nuance with condescension right before talking about yet another unique pratfall only specific to your history,
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JawnV6 posted:as fun as it is to watch you blow right past an is/ought nuance with condescension right before talking about yet another unique pratfall only specific to your history, Even better, being condescending while still supporting the other side of the argument. We know your future employer obviously wants to know everything they're legally allowed to know, thats why there should be a law that prevents background check companies from revealing certain information. That law could also specify standard forms for two organizations interacting with each other, lets say if a company did their background checks in house. When you call up the school and ask "did x person go there" then you get back a "yes/no" not the full transcripts (that contain the deadname) You can bet if that check included information that would make a CIS white guy uncomfortable, like idk, the weird sex positions they're into that law would already exist.
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i guess i am going to get a background check for my job too. hopefully they don't find my posts!
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that was a legit fear while i was looking at dod jobs but lol at the feds taking 2 years to move their rear end. related im looking forward to being audited this year because i turned down a job with the irs due to how long they took to get back to me
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Mahatma Goonsay posted:i guess i am going to get a background check for my job too. hopefully they don't find my posts! Too late, we'll be in touch
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that job i flunked at the interview for last week? they're still making recruiting posts for that position on job search sites guess they didn't have another better candidate after all; rather incensed about that, not gonna lie anyway given that i made it to the in-person interview stage, is there any point in asking for feedback or further communication with the company in question? ive been inclined to think no, since their response was a pat "click button to reject candidate" on greenhouse.io Ciaphas fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Dec 28, 2018 |
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