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Rime posted:Wow, the actual assembly of wind turbines is pretty hosed up. ? What do you mean? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaBML1FacTk Just some cranes in use.
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I hear they sacrifice a bald eagle as a blessing over each new turbine.
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Dec 13, 2018 00:21
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Pander posted:? The Horror
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Pander posted:? Trust me when I say that this is so far from on the ground reality that it may as well be CGI.
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Dec 13, 2018 00:50
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Xand_Man posted:I hear they sacrifice a bald eagle as a blessing over each new turbine.
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Dec 13, 2018 00:58
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Rime posted:Trust me when I say that this is so far from on the ground reality that it may as well be CGI. I would love to hear your details as someone that has been involved in a turbine construction project. I've never heard or seen anything completely terrible, but i'm sure there are some good stories.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:I would love to hear your details as someone that has been involved in a turbine construction project. I've never heard or seen anything completely terrible, but i'm sure there are some good stories. I'll dump when I'm out of NDA, I've already got stories which would make you 
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Dec 13, 2018 12:07
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Rime posted:I'll dump when I'm out of NDA, I've already got stories which would make you loving NDAs. I'm imagining some horrible safety conditions, and complete disregard of environmental impact, maybe some corruption and labor crimes as well. The job I was on was for a smaller turbine installation, Generally the larger the job the worse it is it seems.
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Dec 13, 2018 16:10
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Rime posted:I'll dump when I'm out of NDA, I've already got stories which would make you I wasn't meaning to suggest you were bullshitting when I posted the industry-scrubbed video of one going up, I just was somewhat at a loss about where the process differs from as presented to reality. I could absolutely see lax safety and oversight, and am curious if I'm missing some environmental issues.
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Dec 13, 2018 17:04
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I wonder if it has something to do with the fact that most wind turbines are placed in the middle of nowhere farm fields. Instead of nice tarmac for the crane to be stable on, there is uneven ground that has to be leveled or have matting put down. I would also guess that putting up ~100 turbines per wind farm in a remote area leads to lax safety.
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Dec 13, 2018 17:12
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Is it hand starting the turbines?
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Orvin posted:I wonder if it has something to do with the fact that most wind turbines are placed in the middle of nowhere farm fields. Instead of nice tarmac for the crane to be stable on, there is uneven ground that has to be leveled or have matting put down. There's is for sure some of that. Accidents during installation, or even after installation are not uncommon. Here's the accident rate for UK installations: http://www.caithnesswindfarms.co.uk/AccidentStatistics.htm Lack of good QA, workplace safety, and lowest bid construction all lead to this. I couldn't find numbers for the US currently,but i wouldn't be surprised to see them much higher than the UK.
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Dec 13, 2018 17:28
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Rime posted:Trust me when I say that this is so far from on the ground reality that it may as well be CGI. I have a friend who worked on the construction of the San Onofre Nuclear Generators. Huge mistakes (like installing one of the reactors backward), lots of hazards that were not reported included an issue with the site that involved having to pump a poo poo-ton of concrete under stuff because of where it was built.
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Dec 13, 2018 18:00
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Wind still leads to fewer deaths per kilowatt-hour than solar does. Lots more than nuclear, though.
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Phanatic posted:Wind still leads to fewer deaths per kilowatt-hour than solar does. But "proliferation concerns!"
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Dec 13, 2018 18:37
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Case 1: they tried hot-stacking a 132m, 7 segment tower. This means dropping the cans before each is fully torqued on. This lead to oscillation so extreme that it sheared off bolts as thick as my calf and shredded the 9" thick solid steel flange joint. Nuts so huge they require a 65lb socket to torque, raining down out of the sky. This destroys a $3m tower shipped all the way from Denmark.
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Dec 13, 2018 18:55
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VideoGameVet posted:I have a friend who worked on the construction of the San Onofre Nuclear Generators. Most power generation has issues like this during construction. Building ships is the same way it's always a cluster gently caress because of the scale and number of people involved.
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Dec 13, 2018 19:13
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Rime posted:Case 1: they tried hot-stacking a 132m, 7 segment tower. This means dropping the cans before each is fully torqued on. This lead to oscillation so extreme that it sheared off bolts as thick as my calf and shredded the 9" thick solid steel flange joint. Nuts so huge they require a 65lb socket to torque, raining down out of the sky. That's about what I expect. Rushing the job, lax safety standards, metal falling out of the sky. I went on a tour of a wind farm once, and they mandated we wear hardhats while on the premises. This is exactly why.
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Potato Salad posted:But "proliferation concerns!" Wouldn't want to proliferate too much clean energy
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Dec 13, 2018 19:49
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Rime posted:Trust me when I say that this is so far from on the ground reality that it may as well be CGI. There where about 450 turbines put up this year in the US, by many different companies. It seems obvious that you will get a spectrum of practices, from the very bad to the fine, just like in the construction industry in general.
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Dec 14, 2018 02:22
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Oh wow, they're firing everyone next week. Goddamn.  E: being up on o' these when it's blowing 45 and the brakes aren't on yet is hella not fun. Rolling like a ship on the ocean right now, must be five feet of back and forth play.  Ee: Ice chunks the size of God's own testicles hitting the roof as they fall off the blades holy gently caress. Freezing rain hammering us like a machine gun.
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Dec 14, 2018 13:51
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Rime of the Ancient Gearbox Technician And soon I heard a roaring turbine: It did not come to my machinists mark; But with its sound it shook the wind, Come to fear they did, its rotational torque.
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Dec 14, 2018 16:52
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We evacuated the tower, foreman goes "I have never seen one move like that without snapping, holy gently caress". E: it's because we locked the blades with wind gusts of 100km/h hitting them. 
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Dec 14, 2018 16:56
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It's such a great demonstration of conservation of angular momentum when they let go. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfzgIxMEo8g&t=31s
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Dec 14, 2018 18:20
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3:30 is me this morning, I think we had more movement though. Trying to climb down the ladder felt like I was drunk.
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Dec 14, 2018 19:00
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Rime posted:We evacuated the tower, foreman goes "I have never seen one move like that without snapping, holy gently caress". Uh, hello?! That means the wind farm is going up in the right place?
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Dec 18, 2018 20:37
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Nebakenezzer posted:Uh, hello?! That means the wind farm is going up in the right place? I suspect not. Don't they prefer moderate-but-steady winds??
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Dec 27, 2018 05:40
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Only if your a pansy. We should really run every power plant at theoretical maximums. Nuclear plants should be breeder reactors carved out of vast caverns lined with material and exposed to neutron bombs dropped in. Coal power should just be from setting entire seams on fire. Wind farms should be on vast hurricane chasing barges. Solar panels should just be on the sun.
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Dec 27, 2018 13:10
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Killer-of-Lawyers posted:Only if your a pansy. We should really run every power plant at theoretical maximums. Nuclear plants should be breeder reactors carved out of vast caverns lined with material and exposed to neutron bombs dropped in. Coal power should just be from setting entire seams on fire. Wind farms should be on vast hurricane chasing barges. Solar panels should just be on the sun. We need to build the Shadow Broker's ship from that Mass Effect 2 DLC chasing roiling thunderstorms for power. If our inspiration for power sources isn't at the very least Frankenstein level awesome we're not reaching our potential.
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Dec 27, 2018 14:55
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That reminds me that we really really are behind on our volcano lair construction too. Shame geothermal hasn't ever really panned out majorly.
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Dec 27, 2018 20:09
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Killer-of-Lawyers posted:That reminds me that we really really are behind on our volcano lair construction too. We need OTEC boiling the seas or else why even try!
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Dec 27, 2018 20:11
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https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/a9v9st/elon_musk_we_know_well_run_out_of_dead_dinosaurs/ (This was something I submitted to Reddit. Got 125k votes and 10 gold.)
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Dammit, it's not dead dinosaurs, it's dead trees 
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Killer-of-Lawyers posted:Only if your a pansy. We should really run every power plant at theoretical maximums. Nuclear plants should be breeder reactors carved out of vast caverns lined with material and exposed to neutron bombs dropped in. Coal power should just be from setting entire seams on fire. Wind farms should be on vast hurricane chasing barges. Solar panels should just be on the sun. At a training conference, one of the presentations about off shore wind pointed out that wind turbines would weaken storms. He went on to mention that Superstorm Sandy could have drastically reduced. All that was needed was something like 150,000 wind turbines in its path.
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Dec 28, 2018 04:37
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I am very much pro over building and mass producing to that scale. Use the extra power to produce gasoline from air and sea water, or something.
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Dec 28, 2018 10:09
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Orvin posted:At a training conference, one of the presentations about off shore wind pointed out that wind turbines would weaken storms. He went on to mention that Superstorm Sandy could have drastically reduced. All that was needed was something like 150,000 wind turbines in its path. 150,000 2MW turbines: 300GW of power (more that half the US's coal capacity) $750B to build and install, assuming an exorbitant $5M cost per unit because they're offshore. Lesson: gently caress F35s, get actual strategic economic value out of free gubbermint energy for industry for less cost.
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Dec 28, 2018 13:01
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Something about investing in infrastructure to being the best long-term strategic planning decision a nation can make
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Dec 28, 2018 13:06
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Potato Salad posted:150,000 2MW turbines: I bet you that there's more labor jobs in building wind turbines in the ocean than there is in building gee wiz fighter jets too! Also you could probably make a military argument for a robust and oversized national energy grid like they did for free ways. I dunno, electricity is important for ewar, our commerce depends on it, excess power can make us oil independent, we can use it to power a laser defense grid?
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Dec 28, 2018 14:42
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Killer-of-Lawyers posted:I bet you that there's more labor jobs in building wind turbines in the ocean than there is in building gee wiz fighter jets too! My buddy always writes me in for uncontested elections. Another friend chimed in and asked me about building a literal space wall to keep out literal aliens. I told them my platform was a Dyson sphere with a laser cannon to hook up the defense industry. Even in my space politican fantasy keeping the contractors happy keeps the political machine running. Vote Naramyth. Vote Renewable Space Laser.
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Killer-of-Lawyers posted:I am very much pro over building and mass producing to that scale. Use the extra power to produce gasoline from air and sea water, or something. Why would you want to produce more gasoline?
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