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psydude
Apr 1, 2008

I agree that we should keep our drug money here. So does that tweet mean Trump is endorsing an end to the drug war?

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FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

psydude posted:

I agree that we should keep our drug money here. So does that tweet mean Trump is endorsing an end to the drug war?

Nah he'd just bring it home and start sending bastard feds to go all untouchables on dispensaries.

Hot Karl Marx
Mar 16, 2009

Politburo regulations about social distancing require to downgrade your Karlmarxing to cold, and sorry about the dnc primaries, please enjoy!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/387309175866290176?s=19

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene


A wall is just a bridge turned on its side.

RFC2324
Jun 7, 2012

http 418

FAUXTON posted:

A wall is just a bridge turned on its side.

Mr President?

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

What if we repurposed all of the old bridges to build the wall? They'd be at least 45 feet high. That's 15 feet more than the specs!

Laranzu
Jan 18, 2002

psydude posted:

What if we repurposed all of the old bridges to build the wall? They'd be at least 45 feet high. That's 15 feet more than the specs!

Ruining our already ruinous transit infrastructure to own the libs.

Hot Karl Marx
Mar 16, 2009

Politburo regulations about social distancing require to downgrade your Karlmarxing to cold, and sorry about the dnc primaries, please enjoy!

psydude posted:

What if we repurposed all of the old bridges to build the wall? They'd be at least 45 feet high. That's 15 feet more than the specs!

You can't see through bridges or else millions might end up dying from ms-13 dropping bags of drugs over the fence or whatever his reasoning was for that stipulation

CRUSTY MINGE
Mar 30, 2011

Peggy Hill
Foot Connoisseur

psydude posted:

I agree that we should keep our drug money here. So does that tweet mean Trump is endorsing an end to the drug war?

Pffft. My drug money already comes from here. And it smells like weed.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Hot Karl Marx posted:

You can't see through bridges or else millions might end up dying from ms-13 dropping bags of drugs over the fence or whatever his reasoning was for that stipulation

Most of our bridges already have holes, so it's not a problem.

Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

Just heard that USAA isn’t doing their usual no-interest loan for people affected by the shutdown, which includes the Coast Guard. WTF?

Pine Cone Jones
Dec 6, 2009

You throw me the acorn, I throw you the whip!
Well the DoD has their funding, though I don't know about the coast guard. I'm still getting paid at least.

Meshka
Nov 27, 2016
Coast Guard military pay is funded by DHS, nobody is getting paid. Mutual Assistance is giving $550 loans for E-5 and below. I assume USAA did not bother because it's only CG not getting paid.

Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

Meshka posted:

Coast Guard military pay is funded by DHS, nobody is getting paid. Mutual Assistance is giving $550 loans for E-5 and below. I assume USAA did not bother because it's only CG not getting paid.

It's weird to think that USAA "didn't bother" supporting service members this time around just because not all branches are affected, but then again maybe they wasted too much energy verbally harassing my wife for trying to get a payout when one of their insurance members rear-ended her.

Tiny Timbs fucked around with this message at 16:16 on Dec 28, 2018

maffew buildings
Apr 29, 2009

too dumb to be probated; not too dumb to be autobanned
Support are troops!

No no they don't count

maffew buildings
Apr 29, 2009

too dumb to be probated; not too dumb to be autobanned
I agree with the President, hard to believe there was a Congress that would have passed a budget, since there wasn't and they didn't

That Works
Jul 22, 2006

Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy


The pearl clutching of yesteryear over a black president was amazing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETO7tYQW6eo&t=30s

Only need to watch a minute.

Meshka
Nov 27, 2016

Fallom posted:

It's weird to think that USAA "didn't bother" supporting service members this time around just because not all branches are affected, but then again maybe they wasted too much energy verbally harassing my wife for trying to get a payout when one of their insurance members rear-ended her.

Yeah, it is lovely of them, there over 50000 people affected. All of our GSs are furloughed, military without pay, though most here are officers, so they should be fine. Lower enlisted though are getting screwed, it is so expensive to live here that I bet a lot of them will go into credit card debt if it goes for much longer.

Duzzy Funlop
Jan 13, 2010

Hi there, would you like to try some spicy products?
:frogsiren: ANOTHER CARAVAN IS FORMING :frogsiren:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1078638249562775552

BadOptics
Sep 11, 2012

If you want a consistent paycheck you have to join the biggest pork barrel/jobs project in the US. It's like joining the Army/Marines and then figuring out afterwards that all the other E-3's in the USN/USAF get paid the same but in a cubicle farm with A/C.

Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

In fact, the Russians can have them! Go ahead, stage your missiles!

Wonder Free
Jun 19, 2006

Throw some D's..
Yeah, coast guard and NOAA Corps aren’t getting paid. USAA is doing a .01% 12 month loan, and navy fed is doing an interest-free payday loan. You have to call them to apply though apparently, they aren’t really advertising.

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.

Vasudus posted:

hello landlord i would like to make you the offer of a lifetime in the form of unskilled manual labor in exchange for rent

it should be a trivial matter to work the <checks notes> hundred and thirty three hours necessary to afford my rent this month

yes i'll hold

Serfdom is back, baby

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
https://twitter.com/jdawsey1/status/1078682089246126080

Nostalgia4Butts
Jun 1, 2006

WHERE MY HOSE DRINKERS AT

good job dems

Woodchip
Mar 28, 2010
Hey Wall, if you want some $$, come get some!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUJzj4DXHYE

Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

Vasudus posted:

hello landlord i would like to make you the offer of a lifetime in the form of unskilled manual labor in exchange for rent

it should be a trivial matter to work the <checks notes> hundred and thirty three hours necessary to afford my rent this month

yes i'll hold

hello tenant I have a mortgage to pay and Wells Fargo isn’t interested in having me whitewash a fence

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


lol


Good to be a contractor!

Hot Karl Marx
Mar 16, 2009

Politburo regulations about social distancing require to downgrade your Karlmarxing to cold, and sorry about the dnc primaries, please enjoy!
https://twitter.com/ErikLoomis/status/1078703176658927619

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

LingcodKilla posted:

lol


Good to be a contractor!

A lot of contractors are getting furloughed and laid off as well. Most contracts contain a provision that lets the government issue a stop work order and halt payment.

The Eyes Have It
Feb 10, 2008

Third Eye Sees All
...snookums
A shutdown should mean every one of those border guys stops getting paid, so that's probably how it doesn't work.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

The Eyes Have It posted:

A shutdown should mean every one of those border guys stops getting paid, so that's probably how it doesn't work.

They're considered "essential" so they get paid regardless.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


psydude posted:

A lot of contractors are getting furloughed and laid off as well. Most contracts contain a provision that lets the government issue a stop work order and halt payment.

I’m under the NMCI contract in the shipyards.

Getting payed to do nothing is par for the course.

Evil SpongeBob
Dec 1, 2005

Not the other one, couldn't stand the other one. Nope nope nope. Here, enjoy this bird.
If you're furlough exempt (meaning you have to come in), you get paid. If you're furlough non-exempt, you go home on leave without pay. This makes you eligible for state unemployment.

In either case, you cannot obligate any sort of leave such as annual or sick. Some agencies interpret that as if you're sick and you can't come to work, you go on LWOP status for the remainder of the shutdown and be placed into non-exempt status. Others allow you to come back and you're only on LWOP for the days you were out.

Historically, Congress has always authorized back pay, but it's never a given. But I guess you can now offer your landlord to do unskilled labor in lieu of money per OPM. If you have a mortgage, I guess call up Wells Fargo and offer to clean the shitters in your local branch.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


Not paying back pay would be a very trump thing to do.
Savings! Put it towards the wall!

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



psydude posted:

They're considered "essential" so they get paid regardless.

I don't think so. Essentials have to come in and are first in line to be paid if we're compensated but they're working for free until Congress pays them.

Woodchip
Mar 28, 2010

Evil SpongeBob posted:

If you're furlough exempt (meaning you have to come in), you get paid. If you're furlough non-exempt, you go home on leave without pay. This makes you eligible for state unemployment.

In either case, you cannot obligate any sort of leave such as annual or sick. Some agencies interpret that as if you're sick and you can't come to work, you go on LWOP status for the remainder of the shutdown and be placed into non-exempt status. Others allow you to come back and you're only on LWOP for the days you were out.

Historically, Congress has always authorized back pay, but it's never a given. But I guess you can now offer your landlord to do unskilled labor in lieu of money per OPM. If you have a mortgage, I guess call up Wells Fargo and offer to clean the shitters in your local branch.

serf's up.

BigDave
Jul 14, 2009

Taste the High Country

LingcodKilla posted:

Not paying back pay would be a very trump thing to do.
Savings! Put it towards the wall!

Can someone put a mechanics lien on the White House for unpaid wages?

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

BigDave posted:

Can someone put a mechanics lien on the White House for unpaid wages?

Like that couple that seized a Bank of America branch because they failed to pay robosigning foreclosure penalties.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2011/06/06/137002727/sweet-justice-a-florida-couple-forecloses-on-bank-of-america

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C.M. Kruger
Oct 28, 2013

I did a bunch of reading on the Skylab program a while back. The "strike" story is little more than media sensationalism, in the book Homesteading Space there are some interviews with the actual people involved:

quote:

'In an effort to increase our efficiency,' said Gibson, 'we occasionally would have only one of us listening to the voice traffic from the ground and responding to it while the other two of us turned off our radios and worked without interruption. We each signed up for an orbit as the radio-response guy. Well one day we made a mistake and for a whole orbit we all had our radios off!'

'When we came up to over one of the sites,' said Carr, “the ground called us, and we didn’t answer them for a whole orbit. Regrettably that caused a lot of concern down on the ground. And of course the press just thought that was wonderful. They said, ‘Look at that. These testy, crabby old astronauts up there won’t even answer the radio now. They’ve turned it off and won’t listen to the ground anymore.’ We’ve had to live under that stigma they falsely created ever since.”

'Problems that surfaced early in our mission were created by competent, well-intentioned people,' said Gibson. “The exceptions were the dramatic stories fabricated by the media and later repeated and exaggerated in a book on Skylab and a Harvard Business School study. There was no ‘strike in space’ by any stretch of the imagination. What could we threaten to do, go live on the moon? If any of these writers had gotten their information from just one of us, the crew or other people directly involved, responsible reporting and validity would have prevailed over expediency and sensationalism.”

While finally taking a day off gave the crew a much-needed break and helped relieve some of the stress they were under, it didn’t really change the situation. “Right after our real day off,” Jerry Carr said, “we got right back onto the treadmill, and things weren’t getting any better. Finally after several weeks into the mission, it all came to a head. After dinner we always had a medical conference with the flight surgeon where we would tell him how we were doing physically, and we give him the readings for the food that we’d eaten and the water we’d drunk and all other data that they needed for their metabolic analysis. I said, ‘You know, I think we need to have a séance here.’ I told him about our situation, that we weren’t too terribly happy and that we were quite sure the ground wasn’t happy either. ‘It’s time for us to have a discussion, a frank discussion. We can do it on this channel if they want.’

That request went down to the doctors, they passed the word, and, when the press got a hold of it, they raised Cain. So Mission Control came back and said, ‘We’re going to have to do it on the open circuit.’ I said, ‘That’s fine.’

So one evening we started talking with ground as we came up over Goldstone [California]. We had the whole U.S. pass, essentially, for me to tell them all the things that were bothering us. ‘We need more time to rest. We need a schedule that’s not quite so packed. We don’t want to exercise after a meal. We need to get the pace of things under control.’ Then we said, ‘Okay, now, next pass over the U.S., you guys please tell us what your problems are.’

So during the next U.S. pass, they bent our ear with all of the things that we were doing, including our rigidity that made it difficult for them to have the flexibility to schedule us how they needed to. We came back with, ‘Let’s think about it overnight and try to come up with a solution by the morning.’

The next morning they sent a teletype message in which they recommended quite a few things. The most important one was to take all of the menial, routine housekeeping chores out of the schedule and put them on what we called a shopping list. They were things that needed to be done that day but not at any particular time. Of course, they still had to hard schedule those activities that were required at a specific time or location in orbit. By opening up the schedule that way, they really took the pressure off. We were no longer racing the clock to get things done. It solved the problem.

They also said, ‘We’re not going to hassle you anymore during meals or give you any major assignments after dinner. After dinner is relaxation time for you. Do a few things like some student experiments, but we’re not going to have any major experiments after dinner.’ We said ‘That sounds great. Let’s go with it!’ And it worked beautifully. It’s a testimony to the human condition. Henry Ford probably learned it on his assembly line. The line can only go so fast before you start making mistakes.

IIRC there's a post on r/badhistory that goes into exhaustive detail as to the whole mission timeline, as only space nerds can, but another issue with the story is that the "strike" is supposed to have happened on the 28th and they had their discussion with Mission Control on the 30th, but on the 29th they did a space walk, the scabs!

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