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| Up North |
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70 | 41.92% |
| New York |
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21 | 12.57% |
| Titan |
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12 | 7.19% |
| Stamford |
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18 | 10.78% |
| The XXX Porno Wrestling on the Other Channel |
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46 | 27.54% |
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kevin owens is a mark
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Dec 28, 2018 20:24
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Because of the way Mick Foley yearned for success and attention no matter the cost, guys like kevin owens learned that it was cool to do horrendous bumps in front of 800 people on the regular with nothing to fall back on and no way to support their families if anything went wrong or all the bumps began adding up too quickly. To this day Owens is doing those same stupid bumps in front of 800 people with nothing to show for it
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Dec 28, 2018 20:31
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In Foley's book he wrote about how Ole Anderson once told him basically that everybody would eventually get numb to his 'trampoline act' Everybody hates Ole but he had a point on that one. As much as I love Foley I don't think he did the next generation of pro wrestlers any favors.
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Dec 28, 2018 21:13
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remusclaw posted:I think here is where I would echo the general concern that the Owen Hart thing probably should have been consolidated into one entry. The Owen thing was straight pig headed negligence on the part of WWE and the fact that it turned out less tragically than it could have is honestly insane, but it could resulted in two fatalities if it had gone as planned so again, gently caress WWE. The road costs could be consolidated into other things too. At the end of the day they made the decision to put Owen's life at risk. Then they made a decision to keep the show running and put other people at risk. Then they made another decision to air footage from his funeral.
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Dec 28, 2018 21:45
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And then made the decision to gently caress with Martha for years in order to reduce her compensation and the overall negative publicity stemming from the "accident"
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Dec 28, 2018 22:13
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Karmine posted:Ok so devil’s advocate here. The Owen Hart thing was an accident (a preventable one, born out of recklessness and disregard, but I don’t think Vince McMahon willfully killed Owen Hart). Not paying road expenses is one of a zillion labor abuses that has benefited the company’s bottom line for years and years. So if we’re just talking “sleaziest business practices” then for sure it’s road expenses. If we’re talking “shittiest thing WWE ever did” then yeah, Owen, no question. Its kind of consistent theme of this tournament/thread. There's a ton of systematic serious problems that WWE has done for decades that not only make their employees' lives worse and enrich WWE unjustly but also set standards and expectations for the industry as a whole. But those things are so common and routine for WWE that there's always some outrageously evil action that justifiably seems bigger.
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Dec 28, 2018 22:14
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remusclaw posted:I think here is where I would echo the general concern that the Owen Hart thing probably should have been consolidated into one entry. The Owen thing was straight pig headed negligence on the part of WWE and the fact that it turned out less tragically than it could have is honestly insane, but it could resulted in two fatalities if it had gone as planned so again, gently caress WWE. Jesus Christ what was the original plan?
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Dec 28, 2018 22:16
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Accident Underwater posted:Jesus Christ what was the original plan? they wanted to attach a dwarf to Owen Hart in some fashion, i think
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Dec 28, 2018 22:17
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Accident Underwater posted:Jesus Christ what was the original plan? It's mentioned further up the thread but a little person was going to be hanging from Owen dressed as the Blue Blazer. Edit: To make my post slightly less irrelevant I think it would have been the same one DX beat up as mini Bret Hart.
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Dec 28, 2018 22:18
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Accident Underwater posted:Jesus Christ what was the original plan? It's within this thread, but they originally wanted to strap a little person to Owen and have them both fall.
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Dec 28, 2018 22:18
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 Well then
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Dec 28, 2018 22:23
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Somehow it always managed to escape me until this thread that they WANTED him to fall and that's why it happened. Like I guess I always assumed he was just doing the basic Sting stunt but I only just in this thread read and realized that the plan was for him to intentionally screw it up and fall for comedy and that's why he had the "quick release" thing.
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Dec 28, 2018 22:32
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STAC Goat posted:Somehow it always managed to escape me until this thread that they WANTED him to fall and that's why it happened. Like I guess I always assumed he was just doing the basic Sting stunt but I only just in this thread read and realized that the plan was for him to intentionally screw it up and fall for comedy and that's why he had the "quick release" thing. Isn't it cool how much risk they added to an already risky stunt for a cheap laugh?
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Dec 28, 2018 22:56
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Was it a Russo idea?
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Dec 28, 2018 23:06
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Davros1 posted:Was it a Russo idea? No, 1999 he was fully in at WCW I believe.
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Dec 28, 2018 23:10
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njsykora posted:No, 1999 he was fully in at WCW I believe. Russo signed with WCW in September, Over the Edge was in May
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Dec 28, 2018 23:14
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njsykora posted:No, 1999 he was fully in at WCW I believe. Over the Edge was in May and Russo didn't leave for WCW until September edit: beaten
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Dec 28, 2018 23:14
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Russo didn’t go to WCW until October 1999, leaving because he didn’t get a pay bump to write Smackdown on top of Raw. The mini wrestler was Max Mini. Martha Hart’s book details everything (and The Lapsed Fan episode on OTE 99 reads from it extensively), from “we want people to think you’re loving Debra and have you and Jarrett feud over her (because we have to break up every tag team)” to Owen’s last ECG at the hospital. Really, “treatment of Owen post-Screwjob” is a whole thing to itself. Owen got... like an extra $200,000 on his guarantee, a promise of a push to build off of the Screwjob (which is why he shows up at the end of the In Your House in Springfield and pushes Shawn off the apron, who admittedly loving LAUNCHES himself into the commentary table to sell it and makes Owen look like a bat out of hell), which immediately disappears for Hunter to job him out at Mania and then “only white guy in NOD (probably because Rocky was in close with the Harts and nudged Russo and Vince into throwing him into the group to keep him some heat), “nugget”, success as a tag team with Jarrett, Blue Blazer, death.
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Dec 28, 2018 23:19
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More than 40 people voted for road costs over Owen’s death. If you think per diem for dinner is more important than letting a man die due to negligence in a stunt, you’re a loving idiot.
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Dec 28, 2018 23:22
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mkay0 posted:More than 40 people voted for road costs over Owen’s death. If you think per diem for dinner is more important than letting a man die due to negligence in a stunt, you’re a loving idiot. Don't worry, at some point a WWE independent contractor will be killed in a car crash during an 18 hour marathon drive between cities - making your argument invalid in the future.
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Dec 28, 2018 23:30
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mkay0 posted:More than 40 people voted for road costs over Owen’s death. If you think per diem for dinner is more important than letting a man die due to negligence in a stunt, you’re a loving idiot. I'm voting Owen's death, but I assume it's because it's a representation of everything all major companies do to gently caress with workers
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Dec 28, 2018 23:32
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mkay0 posted:More than 40 people voted for road costs over Owen’s death. If you think per diem for dinner is more important than letting a man die due to negligence in a stunt, you’re a loving idiot. You may be right but they haven't been called by that word in an extremely long time and attacking them out of anger over it is arguably as bad as some of the things in this tournament
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Dec 28, 2018 23:37
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Helicity posted:Don't worry, at some point a WWE independent contractor will be killed in a car crash during an 18 hour marathon drive between cities - making your argument invalid in the future. They fly the workers on legs longer than 400, I think. WWE sure sucks, but the hellacious 80s schedule isn’t really what they do now. Regardless, someone wrecking a car still wouldn’t be anywhere close to the Owen situation. Owen wanted out when Brett left, Vince held him to his deal. He shouldn’t even have been there. The stunt that killed him was due to negligence, and totally avoidable, since it did nothing to draw money and was a gimmick to mock him, not get him over. Hardly comparable to forcing people to drive town to town.
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Dec 28, 2018 23:43
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Cavauro posted:You may be right but they haven't been called by that word in an extremely long time and attacking them out of anger over it is arguably as bad as some of the things in this tournament Me calling people names should make this tournament?
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Dec 28, 2018 23:44
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Helicity posted:Don't worry, at some point a WWE independent contractor will be killed in a car crash during an 18 hour marathon drive between cities - making your argument invalid in the future. Gorilla Monsoon's son, the referee Joey Morella, died in a car crash between shows.
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Dec 28, 2018 23:45
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mkay0 posted:More than 40 people voted for road costs over Owen’s death. If you think per diem for dinner is more important than letting a man die due to negligence in a stunt, you’re a loving idiot. Ok I get your point but surely you see that this is really reductive yeah? Plus some people just always root for the underdog, whaddaya gonna do?
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Dec 28, 2018 23:45
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mkay0 posted:Me calling people names should make this tournament? No, you are not wwe.
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Dec 28, 2018 23:45
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i've run a simulation on my computer, and 89% of the time, the dwarf dies but breaks Owen Hart's fall and he survives, 10% of the time they both die, and 1% of the time, they clip through the ring and continue plummeting until they reach the center of the earth
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Dec 28, 2018 23:58
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Baron Corbin posted:i've run a simulation on my computer, and 89% of the time, the dwarf dies but breaks Owen Hart's fall and he survives, 10% of the time they both die, and 1% of the time, they clip through the ring and continue plummeting until they reach the center of the earth So that's where the York Foundation computer went.
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Dec 29, 2018 00:00
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It's ~34 years of stolen wages from a roster of ~100. The total is more the settlement over Owen and therefore morally worse. 
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Dec 29, 2018 00:03
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mkay0 posted:More than 40 people voted for road costs over Owen’s death. If you think per diem for dinner is more important than letting a man die due to negligence in a stunt, you’re a loving idiot. Lol, I voted for road costs because wwe has hosed people on them for years and years. They're making billions and still gently caress them on food, travel, and hotels. They've made a show for the network that takes advantage of the fact that they're loving them. Owens death was horrible and an instance of WWE being cheapskates and not valuing the life of their workers. The road cost stuff is WWE being cheapskates, not valuing the life of their workers, and then making a tv show where they show you how happy everyone is to get hosed. Like, both options are incredibly bad things done by scum gently caress people but if I've personally got to pick one I'm picking WWE stealing from hundreds of their employees over however many years.
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Dec 29, 2018 00:13
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i felt somewhat misunderstood a bit ago and decided not to make a big deal of it. however i'd like to write an informative post toward the user mkay0 about where i'm coming from. idiots are much stupider than morons, and imbeciles are a little bit smarter than idiots. you can't be stupider than an idiot and still have significant brain activity, and being able to vote in a poll would generally be considered extremely high-level functioning, even if they did not vote for the correct option. As well, a dumbass is someone who Cannot fart, also known as talking out of the anal hole. none of these words are appropriate in 2018.
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Dec 29, 2018 00:19
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Karmine posted:Ok so devil’s advocate here. The Owen Hart thing was an accident (a preventable one, born out of recklessness and disregard, but I don’t think Vince McMahon willfully killed Owen Hart). Not paying road expenses is one of a zillion labor abuses that has benefited the company’s bottom line for years and years. So if we’re just talking “sleaziest business practices” then for sure it’s road expenses. If we’re talking “shittiest thing WWE ever did” then yeah, Owen, no question. Yea I actually 100% agree here. Owen Hart is unforgivable and even if Vince was a completely moral and upstanding person aside from that he deserves to rot in hell for it but as reckless and stupid as it was it was at least a product of general neglect and apathy not a targeted 'yea fuckin murder Owen' thing. The not paying is part of a greater picture of active, focused, malice to the people the company relies on to make their product and that probably should be the most disgusting thing between the two.
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Dec 29, 2018 00:28
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Cavauro posted:i felt somewhat misunderstood a bit ago and decided not to make a big deal of it. however i'd like to write an informative post toward the user mkay0 about where i'm coming from. idiots are much stupider than morons, and imbeciles are a little bit smarter than idiots. you can't be stupider than an idiot and still have significant brain activity, and being able to vote in a poll would generally be considered extremely high-level functioning, even if they did not vote for the correct option. As well, a dumbass is someone who Cannot fart, also known as talking out of the anal hole. none of these words are appropriate in 2018. https://twitter.com/dril/status/701465049030926343?s=20
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Dec 29, 2018 00:34
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I went with Owen's death because it was such a dumb and pointless thing. He was supposed to do a stunt fall because uh, gently caress you WCW and rafter Sting, I guess? Then when you find out the monumental amount of gross negligence involved, they halfassed something that, to this day, still occasionally kills a trained professional under optimal circumstances. All to placate Vince McMahon's fragile ego. The road costs thing is also hosed up. That's more indicative of a system that encourages that kind of behavior from companies, however.
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Dec 29, 2018 01:38
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They Triple Profit off of the road costs thing. First is obvious. Second is that dumb show. 3rd is it's a way to keep their workers from being able to save a nest egg of 'gently caress you' money, which mean they have to work for them longer and they can bring them back for the occasional nostalgia pop. WWE really doesn't want you to have enough money to not need them anymore. (Was the story about hooking their talent up with realtors right away to throw mortgage debts on them accurate?) Owen was a giant rock through the parlor window. Road costs are the foundational rot. Owen feels like a slam dank because it was so preventable and so personal, but maybe I've grown detached and unable to see the micro in my old age.
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Dec 29, 2018 02:03
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Does the New York 64 have any affiliation to the New York 50?
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Dec 29, 2018 02:09
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Super No Vacancy posted:kevin owens is a mark Everybody in the business is a mark. Any worker or promoter who tries to convince you otherwise is either deluded, insecure, unaware, or thick or some combination of that. That includes Kevin Nash, by the way. I know many think he's the smartest guy in the room but the reality is he's pretty thin-skinned about people calling him lazy, or a poor worker, or being partly or wholly responsible for the death of WCW. El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at 02:17 on Dec 29, 2018 |
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Dec 29, 2018 02:09
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GEORGE W BUSHI posted:Does the New York 64 have any affiliation to the New York 50? People actually vote in the NY64
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Dec 29, 2018 02:15
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ChrisBTY posted:They Triple Profit off of the road costs thing. yea the road stuff isn't (just) them being cheap, it's actively preventing even their big stars from getting a proper nest egg (unless they luck out like Cena/Rock and their charisma is so universal they get acting work and all) in a business where you have a shelf life of 'until your body can't do the thing any more' and even then leaves you open to getting wheeled out for a cheap 'and tune in next week to see YOUR FAVORITE WRESTLER FROM THE PAST' attention grab.
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Dec 29, 2018 02:20
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