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Tbh I'm blown away that people react so strongly that it would be an absolute travesty if literal loving nazis were forced to be represented by public defenders while some poor PoC who gets drugs planted on him by the police is expected to be happy that he has the right to a public defender. I get that wording it like this is 50% strawman, but that's what the outrage around it boils down to. There's way more outrage about the idea of nazis being forced into finding a public defender than towards the justice system's hosed up state of affairs as a whole. Bringing dog tax back 
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white sauce posted:I think it’s a great way to start discussing the fact that the entire justice system is a sham and only exists to enforce a hosed up racial hierarchy, which is why it attracts and is defended by so many weirdos like popehat popehat talks regularly about how the justice system is hosed up in general and racist in particular so yeah, discussing Popehat IS a great way to access that discussion even aside from the Randazza angle 
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Charlz Guybon posted:Hmm...maybe if you didn't poo poo all over GOP senators this wouldn't be a problem. what political support? the loving chuds base arnt a majority and they alone won't save his rear end and he has burned a bunch of bridges in the least month alone. digging in on this horror show will make poo poo tons worse for him.
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Dec 30, 2018 03:16
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Dec 30, 2018 03:18
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Dapper_Swindler posted:what political support? the loving chuds base arnt a majority and they alone won't save his rear end and he has burned a bunch of bridges in the least month alone. digging in on this horror show will make poo poo tons worse for him. Yeah he was only getting 25% support on the shutdown recently, which is remarkable because that's the first time we've seen a crack in his ~33% floor.
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:When does the next Congress get sworn in? the 3rd of january. so next thursday.
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Dec 30, 2018 03:20
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:When does the next Congress get sworn in? January 3! Whereupon they will presumably immediately pass a clean CR and the House version of that furlough back pay bill.
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Dec 30, 2018 03:21
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GreyjoyBastard posted:popehat talks regularly about how the justice system is hosed up in general and racist in particular And yet he’s a libertarian and allows Nazis to share his platform  I tried searching his blog for any posts related to systemic racism, white supremacy and the justice system but couldn’t find anything. I could find stuff about how citizenship should be curtailed for immigrants and refugees tho.
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Dec 30, 2018 03:22
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There was an article today that said support for impeachment now equals his job approval rating. Both are at 39%. That’s only going to get worse the longer the shutdown lasts. Trump is hosed. If he folds he gets torched. If he doesn’t fold, he gets ripped apart. He has managed to create a lose/lose situation. His only way out may be a veto override. Then he can say he never backed down.
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Dec 30, 2018 03:27
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Tbh I'm blown away that people react so strongly that it would be an absolute travesty if literal loving nazis were forced to be represented by public defenders while some poor PoC who gets drugs planted on him by the police is expected to be happy that he has the right to a public defender. I don't have a dog in this fight, but the way people were phrasing it sounded a lot more like "public defenders are just as good as a private attorney" which may have not been the intent but that is how it came across. Public defenders are super overworked so that the ones that haven't been ground down by the system just don't have the time to do a proper job of it. Personally I don't think a public defender is good enough for anyone, and it isn't their fault but a bunch of other reasons.
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Krispy Wafer posted:There was an article today that said support for impeachment now equals his job approval rating. Both are at 39%. That’s only going to get worse the longer the shutdown lasts. so question. how do you think this whole shutdown will end. will he fold and sign or will he fold and sign and shutdown the border, or will he refuse and shutdown the border, or maybe try some desperate hosed up poo poo.
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Trump is currently operating on the idea that if the government is shutdown they cant have elections, and nobody working there anymore knows otherwise so look forward to the government being shut down for two years.
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Public defenders are overworked, but courts also farm out work to private attorneys. Unfortunately that doesn’t necessarily mean better representation. The current season of the Serial podcast follows a few months in the Cleveland courts. Listening to that will not make you feel any better about our system. Dapper_Swindler posted:so question. how do you think this whole shutdown will end. will he fold and sign or will he fold and sign and shutdown the border, or will he refuse and shutdown the border, or maybe try some desperate hosed up poo poo. He can’t fold. The GOP will be forced to override the veto.
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How come the new Congress gets seated right after New Years while the President waits until January 20?
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ZypherIM posted:I don't have a dog in this fight, but the way people were phrasing it sounded a lot more like "public defenders are just as good as a private attorney" which may have not been the intent but that is how it came across. My drive by poo poo post was more due to folks going "they shouldn't get attorneys period because public defenders exist!" It scanned to me as going "keep your socialism out of my medicare!"
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Dec 30, 2018 03:35
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Krispy Wafer posted:He can’t fold. The GOP will be forced to override the veto. holy poo poo, he is gonna go ballistic. if he is forced into signing it, he will shut the border down or something stupidly horrible and petty.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:holy poo poo, he is gonna go ballistic. if he is forced into signing it, he will shut the border down or something stupidly horrible and petty. Good news! He can't just unilaterally shut down the border now matter how much he flails about.
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ZypherIM posted:I don't have a dog in this fight, but the way people were phrasing it sounded a lot more like "public defenders are just as good as a private attorney" which may have not been the intent but that is how it came across. Krispy Wafer posted:The current season of the Serial podcast...
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citybeatnik posted:Good news! He can't just unilaterally shut down the border now matter how much he flails about. can't he? i didn't know that.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:holy poo poo, he is gonna go ballistic. if he is forced into signing it, he will shut the border down or something stupidly horrible and petty. A veto override doesn’t force him to sign it, it forces the bill to become law without his involvement. He’ll still go ballistic but it’ll be as a sidelined observer. (Autocorrect first rendered that as “ego override” which is somehow even more accurate than reality.)
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white sauce posted:And yet he’s a libertarian and allows Nazis to share his platform He tweeted something a few weeks ago which made me question why so many lefties like him, but I can't recall exactly at the moment.
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The only situation the Democrats fold is if 1.) Trump absolutely holds firm, 2.) The Senate Republicans prove to be utterly craven, and 3.) The shutdown starts having real human cost that is untenable despite the political advantages. I think if the government is still shutdown in March or April, Pelosi and Schumer are going to wonder.
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https://twitter.com/News_8/status/1079129989176586240
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The veto override will kick in, and trump will hold a photoshoot 'signing' the new budget. He will claim some small concession as a massive win and the 35% of the us that will support him no matter what will smile and nod.
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Tibalt posted:The only situation the Democrats fold is if 1.) Trump absolutely holds firm, 2.) The Senate Republicans prove to be utterly craven, and 3.) The shutdown starts having real human cost that is untenable despite the political advantages. That would be horrible because then Trump and McConnell know they can get anything they want out of dems by just causing as much misery as they can manage.
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Krispy Wafer posted:He can’t fold. The GOP will be forced to override the veto. That's why I think Trump will try to illegally/unconstitutionally redirect funds from something else (like foreign aid to Central America) to fund his wall project, and then we're in a bit of a constitutional crisis where either the courts or Congress have to step in to stop him. Overriding a veto requires 2/3 in both chambers of Congress, that means you need quite a few GOP defectors in both houses. They will be roasted in the media for being against the wall and weak on border security. Trump is still popular enough among the Republican base that you simply won't get that many GOP Congresspeople willing to override his veto. I think the most likely scenario is the shutdown continues for another week or two, it's clear the Dems won't budge, Trump signs a clean CR and says welp I guess I have to cancel foreign aid or something and fund the wall. Since it's soon to be the New Year, I'll  : By the end of January 2019, Trump will attempt to reallocate funds in violation of Congressional budgetary power to build his dumbass wall. If this does not happen, I will donate $50 to RAINN. If it does happen, I will donate $50 to an immigration/amnesty-related charity.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:can't he? i didn't know that. Short version: he almost certainly can't unilaterally shut down all the border crossings, and he DEFINITELY can't bar US citizens and residents from reentry. There are also NAFTA instituting laws to trip him up. It'd throw yet another wrench into the economy if he tried but his odds of making anything sweeping stick are very low even before we contemplate the odds of it making the GOP Senators turn on him.
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MBS really is a job creator!
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Some guy who says things i like to hear and about me said things i like to hear that are about me! How about that America? How. About. That. Interested yet?
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citybeatnik posted:My drive by poo poo post was more due to folks going "they shouldn't get attorneys period because public defenders exist!" It went a step past that. The conversation specifically lit up when someone said even a public defender is morally obligated to sandbag them and do only the bare legal minimum, rather than a legitimate defense any other accused should get.
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Republicans posted:That would be horrible because then Trump and McConnell know they can get anything they want out of dems by just causing as much misery as they can manage.
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Pellisworth posted:That's why I think Trump will try to illegally/unconstitutionally redirect funds from something else (like foreign aid to Central America) to fund his wall project, and then we're in a bit of a constitutional crisis where either the courts or Congress have to step in to stop him. There is no mechanism by which Trump could reallocate funds without Congress’ involvement. They’re not exactly held in a bank account he has access to. There wouldn’t be a constitutional crisis because the constitution is quite clear on how that works.
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Dec 30, 2018 04:03
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Fallom posted:There is no mechanism by which Trump could reallocate funds without Congress’ involvement. They’re not exactly held in a bank account he has access to. There wouldn’t be a constitutional crisis because the constitution is quite clear on how that works. You seriously think that'll stop Trump from trying?
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Cuomo really wants to sit on Rahm Emanuel's skull throne labeled "worst loving Democrat in office" and he's not gonna let other people try to muscle in on his game.
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Dec 30, 2018 04:12
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CascadeBeta posted:You seriously think that'll stop Trump from trying? Well yes, because he physically cannot even try.
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Surprised he hasn’t tapped into the military budget more since he’s already sent troops down to the border so claiming it’s a military matter would be his next gambit.
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CascadeBeta posted:You seriously think that'll stop Trump from trying? What do you think “trying” means? Tweeting that he’s going to do it? Like, how would you go about trying to pay your mortgage using Bill Gates’ bank account? How you would try to do that?
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CascadeBeta posted:You seriously think that'll stop Trump from trying? trump is almost completely incapable of taking administrative actions that he is legally empowered to, i don't know why anyone thinks he could somehow do things that are not only illegal but would also require a massive, logistically-difficult multi-agency effort he'll tweet something about it and nothing will happen
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GreyjoyBastard posted:MBS really is a job creator! Not just that he is employing minorities!
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