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Byzantine posted:Are you sure you're not Mister Fantastic, cause that's an incredible stretch. No? It's a really common problem in older historiography. The way in which Egypt was frequently not even considered part of Africa is another expression of the same idea, because of the underlying premise that Africa is savage and uncivilized. If, then, Egypt contributed in any way to the western cultural tradition it can't "truly" be African. This is literally an idea that had common purchase until not too long ago. And it's born out of racism 
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Captain Oblivious posted:No? It's a really common problem in older historiography. The way in which Egypt was frequently not even considered part of Africa is another expression of the same idea, because of the underlying premise that Africa is savage and uncivilized. If, then, Egypt contributed in any way to the western cultural tradition it can't "truly" be African. I was intending that to refer to "using a Bible verse to describe an African wonder is racist", which is what it sounded like you were saying. After checking, turns out calling Great Zimbabwe the residence of the Queen of Sheba was an imperialist theory, and Rhodesia outright ordered scientists to not suggest that it could've been built by native Africans. Which is...uh...wow, that that got put into 6. Apologies.
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Byzantine posted:Are you sure you're not Mister Fantastic, cause that's an incredible stretch. How familiar are you with the history of Rhodesia and its, ehm, "scholars"? e: gently caress, keep being beaten. WELP. good to see people arguing in good faith anyway
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Byzantine posted:I was intending that to refer to "using a Bible verse to describe an African wonder is racist", which is what it sounded like you were saying. Oh, yeah. I should have been clearer that associating the Great Zimbabwe with biblical traditions to undermine it's African origins was part of a long standing tradition. But that is WHY they were inclined to do so.
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It's bizarre that it takes calling something that sucks in plenty of other ways, "racist" before internet contrarians can possibly concede the point.
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Even thought the style is all over the place, I think the only people who put real effort into VI is the art team. The stupid cartoony look of the governors and some of the leaders is jarring, but I get the feeling they are being pulled in 80 different directions. It's hard to make something look decent when your orders are "We're going to add districts, so it's very important that you make all of that information visible on that map, but make it so that it can look good on a cell phone. Also, try to make it look serious enough for our current player base, but also silly enough so the advertisements will pop when we try to market it as a facebook game." Despite the randomness of the art style, we do see them add cool graphical additions in patches like desert mountains or aurora borealis, which shows me that at least the graphics team is trying. The Human Crouton fucked around with this message at 00:32 on Dec 30, 2018 |
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Byzantine posted:After checking, turns out calling Great Zimbabwe the residence of the Queen of Sheba was an imperialist theory, and Rhodesia outright ordered scientists to not suggest that it could've been built by native Africans. Which is...uh...wow, that that got put into 6. ah ok i'm not too familiar with my bible history, i guess i kinda just assumed the queen of sheba was an african ruler who appeared in biblical texts
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Ugh, I almost forgot how all districts have the same Greco-Roman/European aesthetic regardless of era and civilization, while cities go from all the various tilesets to generic skyscrapers over the course of history. I can only imagine what actually happens in the dev room, because there's a ton of touches like civs getting unique designs for all the tiny city center buildings like palaces and monuments and Georgia's lovely red brick cities that just disappear overnight when you discover steam power.
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Civ5's cities retain a unique look for every culture. Even when everything's replaced by skyscrapers, they retain the culture's city color scheme.
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Yeah, that was specifically a VI complaint. The sandstone-looking skyscrapers that American civs got in V might have been a bit silly, but by golly do I miss them.
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America, appropriately enough, got the European cities in 5. Brazil got the Native American cities.
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Cythereal posted:Civ5's cities retain a unique look for every culture. Even when everything's replaced by skyscrapers, they retain the culture's city color scheme. it always amuses me that polynesia uses a reskin of the east asian building modelset but all the tiled roof textures are replaced with thatched grass
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The White Dragon posted:ah ok i'm not too familiar with my bible history, i guess i kinda just assumed the queen of sheba was an african ruler who appeared in biblical texts She is, maybe. Nobody knows what or where "Sheba" was. The story I heard was she was from somewhere in Ethiopia, which is why the Ark of the Covenant is supposedly there now too.
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Yeah I was just going to chime in that I really, really liked the Native American late-game city art in V. I still remember the first time I stopped to take a look at a Modern Era Aztec city and thought about how cool it was. Still steamrolled that poo poo with Artillery and Infanty but yeah, very memorable.
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The White Dragon posted:it always amuses me that polynesia uses a reskin of the east asian building modelset but all the tiled roof textures are replaced with thatched grass Do they? I thought they used the Native American set.
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People are probably 'bitter' about the tech quotes because it treats everything like a joke, it feels VERY dated when the zeitgeist has already swung back the other way into sincerity. Also, unsurprisingly, people don't like it when they actually accomplish building a wonder and the game acts like its stupid and you're stupid for building it. It's like if instead of the Unreal Tournament announcer going "DOMINATING" it had a sarcastic line about how your competition must not be very good.
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Cythereal posted:Do they? I thought they used the Native American set. I'm pretty sure it's the EA set, but maybe I'm just seeing pagoda-type shapes where there aren't any. They do use the Native American bgm set though... it's definitely an eclectic DLC lol
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Man, Colonization really comes so close to still holding up, but the dated interface and kinda lovely revolution just feels crappy. Has any game come out that captured that same sense of fun?
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:That's fair, and I know a lot of people hate playing sub-optimally, but I maintain that the best way to enjoy V is ignoring that it has a single, optimal play. Settle as many cities as you want, go into social policy trees that arent's Tradition/Rationality/Ideology, and kick the difficulty a level down from the level at which you could beat the game, and you'll have a better time.  This is from a game I did as the Inuit with the Barbarians Evolved mod. Was it optimal for me to settle 25+ cities? No, not really. Was it fun to take out the Barbarians and slowly liberate the world, settling Inuit cities and liberating Civs and City States along the way? Oh hell yes it was fun. As a bonus, the Barbarian civ acts as a common enemy for everyone, so it's really easy to make friends with the AI. Dammit, now I've got a hankering to load up Civ 5 again. 
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Saladin Rising posted:Dammit, now I've got a hankering to load up Civ 5 again. If you do, just remember that Firaxis updated the game to include a launcher that resets your graphics settings and begs you to play Civ 6 instead. I should check to see if there's a way to get around that.
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berryjon posted:If you do, just remember that Firaxis updated the game to include a launcher that resets your graphics settings and begs you to play Civ 6 instead. I should check to see if there's a way to get around that. 
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berryjon posted:If you do, just remember that Firaxis updated the game to include a launcher that resets your graphics settings and begs you to play Civ 6 instead. I should check to see if there's a way to get around that. huh? I just hit the Civ5 launch button from Steam, goes directly into game as always. You using some weird version?
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Beamed posted:Man, Colonization really comes so close to still holding up, but the dated interface and kinda lovely revolution just feels crappy. Has any game come out that captured that same sense of fun? Which Colonization are you talking about? Because I was a huge fan of the original, far more than the contemporary Civilization 2. Shuffling materials around, making higher quality goods out of them, and then shipping them to Europe to earn mad money was really engaging. The economy system blew Civ's out of the water. The remake was also cool but couldn't quite capture the original's feeling imho.
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Serephina posted:huh? I just hit the Civ5 launch button from Steam, goes directly into game as always. You using some weird version? That’s... odd, even civ vi is now forced behind a launcher?
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onesixtwo posted:That’s... odd, even civ vi is now forced behind a launcher? Holy poo poo, I just checked Civ6 and yes it's behind a launcher with nothing but a blank page and a button that says 'play'. Quick googling suggests it exists to serve Ads? What the gently caress are they thinking?
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Serephina posted:Holy poo poo, I just checked Civ6 and yes it's behind a launcher with nothing but a blank page and a button that says 'play'. Quick googling suggests it exists to serve Ads?  yeah this ugly poo poo doesn't go away, you somehow have network settings to avoid the launcher from loading..? civ v you can evidently set it to pull the previous build through a beta build tweak, but I can't try the same on vi due to same version compatibility issues with PYDT.
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Torrannor posted:Which Colonization are you talking about? Because I was a huge fan of the original, far more than the contemporary Civilization 2. Shuffling materials around, making higher quality goods out of them, and then shipping them to Europe to earn mad money was really engaging. The economy system blew Civ's out of the water. The original. The remake had some cool ideas, especially with one of the overhaul mods, but yeah. FreeCol was also better than I think it gets credit for, and is still active.
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The White Dragon posted:I'm pretty sure it's the EA set, but maybe I'm just seeing pagoda-type shapes where there aren't any. They do use the Native American bgm set though... it's definitely an eclectic DLC lol It is. It's most obvious if you compare cities in the modern era; Polynesian skyscrapers have the same softer rounded look as the Asian ones, with a darker, orange-hued color scheme instead of the light and greenish one, while American skyscrapers have a blocky, pyramid-like aesthetic. Saladin Rising posted:I can confirm that this is excellent advice, and has really extended the amount of time I've had fun playing Civ 5. Those mods sound pretty baller. I like how you're buddies with Rome while also holding Rome.
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Away all Goats posted:Yeah, neither Civ 5 or Civ 6 are like the old civ games. Civ 5 tried to do its own thing but is heavily flawed. Civ 6 tried to fix a lot of those issues and doubled down on some others issues resulting in a game that went 2 steps forward and 2 steps back. Did I just miss a big sale, because a quick peek at Steam says Civ 5 Complete is $49.99 at 67% off.
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Cynic Jester posted:The base game does not seem to be discounted at all. Is it often discounted? Civ 4 BTS is like seven and half bucks, and while I'd be willing to pay like twenty of Civ 5, I'm not going to be paying 49 dollars for a game that already has a sequel with expansions out.
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Charlz Guybon posted:Did I just miss a big sale, because a quick peek at Steam says Civ 5 Complete is $49.99 at 67% off. 20 bucks here https://www.gamersgate.com/DD-CIV5CE-GN/
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i just won my first game, playing Indonesia. civ is kind of history-lite but this is the first time i’ve been able to play as myself (indonesian) in any meaningful way and that feels nice
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Casual Encountess posted:i just won my first game, playing Indonesia. civ is kind of history-lite but this is the first time i’ve been able to play as myself (indonesian) in any meaningful way and that feels nice Indonesia is in 5 as well, should that be of interest to you. Or if you're a fellow freak who likes Beyond Earth, Indonesia is specified to be one of the two founding members of Polystralia.
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Booyah- posted:20 bucks here I had an account with them once upon a time, I'm surprised they still exist.
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Casual Encountess posted:i just won my first game, playing Indonesia. civ is kind of history-lite but this is the first time i’ve been able to play as myself (indonesian) in any meaningful way and that feels nice Same way I felt about Nubia, finally a character in a game who looks just like me. Unfortunately I have yet to win with her but I'll keep at it.
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One thing civ doesn't do, and its kind of bizarre since you'd think it's the sort of thing that the 'dazzle' department would have wanted in, is seeing your own leader when you're playing. Like, when some stuffy french aristocrat comes complaining to my empire about whatever, I want myself as Hojo, kimono and sword and all, to go tell them to eat a back of dicks. Such an easy way of adding immersion, such opportunity wasted. You ironically never get to see your favorite leaders in-game, because you're too busy playing as them =[
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Serephina posted:One thing civ doesn't do, and its kind of bizarre since you'd think it's the sort of thing that the 'dazzle' department would have wanted in, is seeing your own leader when you're playing. Like, when some stuffy french aristocrat comes complaining to my empire about whatever, I want myself as Hojo, kimono and sword and all, to go tell them to eat a back of dicks. Such an easy way of adding immersion, such opportunity wasted. You ironically never get to see your favorite leaders in-game, because you're too busy playing as them =[ Kick ambassadors into a pit as Leonidas.
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Having a good 6 game where Mvemba is right on my tail for a science victory, though I should be able to finish before he does as Harald. One thing that I wish it would do is note when cities are covered by a factory or other building that has a radius and highlight the building in the production queue as a warning. Another one is being able to build national parks on any four unoccupied tiles. The religion game is still a little irritating, but it's definitely fun if you can get invested in the game you're in.
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