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Jerry Cotton posted:Oh hey I've been meaning to ask: how did your surgery go? Living in area with people and not being some weird forest hermit = being in the ICU ??
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Grape posted:Living in area with people and not being some weird forest hermit = being in the ICU https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3813092&pagenumber=881&perpage=40#post490952008
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Jerry Cotton posted:https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3813092&pagenumber=881&perpage=40#post490952008 You were better off going with my explanation lol.
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Dec 30, 2018 04:11
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Congrats dummy, you got fishmeched. Plz stop quoting him out of consideration for the rest of us. 
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Dec 30, 2018 04:14
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There are some national borders that are suspiciously obvious on this map. Did Sweden/Finland really cut down every last tree, and gain it back recently, but Norway did not? Same with the US/Canada, where it seems the Americans are nothing but "gains" while the Canadians are all "current". I might be misreading the map, but it seems like it might be just coloring countries with expanding forests darker green, though that's not what the key seems to imply. Obviously the red/brown bits aren't sorted by nation.
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No timeframe given, so this is very weird. Like... the eastern US has a net gain of forest compared to when? 1950? 1900? And Haiti is deforested but doesn't show as a "net loss". Very curious about the hard political border between western Canada and the US. Is that just because the countries have differing definitions for net gain, or ...? Scandinavia has never looked more like the Grinch's dong. Disappointed that they didn't fix far east Russia wrapping over to the left. ^^^ Good point, the only country that has both "current cover" and "net gain" is Brazil.
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The northeastern US state I live in was like 80% deforested in 1900 and is now over 90% forest.
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Minenfeld! posted:The northeastern US state I live in was like 80% deforested in 1900 and is now over 90% forest. Massachusetts? I only just learned Cape Cod had been deforested like 100 years ago.
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I hate these sort of maps, but I also hate New Jersey. Like, more than anyone in the United States or any foreigners, I hate New Jersey and people from there. Except for the Shore. Don't know if the map is right because I'm not going to give a gently caress about Jersey.
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Dec 30, 2018 04:48
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Minenfeld! posted:The northeastern US state I live in was like 80% deforested in 1900 and is now over 90% forest. But yeah, New England is pretty incredible in that it's completely forested today but pretty much all of it is little over a century or so old (except for parts of Maine). People really invested in farming here, not to mention all the industrial uses of lumber back in the day, but then it turned out that there was absolutely no reason to farm here when Ohio existed, and industrialization just made farming/logging here a quaint anachronism. They apparently do studies here on how forests develop because people have been documenting everything about how they come back.
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:I hate these sort of maps, but I also hate New Jersey. Like, more than anyone in the United States or any foreigners, I hate New Jersey and people from there. Except for the Shore. Don't know if the map is right because I'm not going to give a gently caress about Jersey. The hate for Jersey is overblown, I don't really understand it.  Except for their barbaric highways, which suck enormous dicks. Eiba posted:Yeah, same, so it made sense at first... but is the same true of Alaska? But not heavily logged and currently forested British Columbia? Oh yeah now that I think about it that's why we have the regional phenomena of all those stone walls snaking around in forests.
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Dec 30, 2018 05:50
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Eiba posted:Yeah, same, so it made sense at first... but is the same true of Alaska? But not heavily logged and currently forested British Columbia? By my understanding NAFTA has been bad for American logging. That's almost certainly the reason for Washington seeing a net forest gain so it wouldn't be terribly surprising for it also to be the reason for Alaska.
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Dec 30, 2018 05:57
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:SA should requre real names and photos Put up. On the other hand this is probably the only thing that would get fishmech to understand the difference between locally public and globally public.
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Dec 30, 2018 07:22
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If no-one is anonymous doxing becomes impossible.
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dont be mean to me posted:Put up. LOL what are you talking about like half the forums already knows my name and I got a sweet uv reactive dye job i'd love to show ya.
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FreeKillB posted:Why does this notion only correspond to photos and not to videos? I was stumped on this for a bit but I think there is a fundamental difference that actually illustrates pretty well why the photo is okay. It’s a snapshot, the equivalent of walking down the street and getting a normal impression of it. You can’t see anything more on street view than you can get by walking past a house in a slightly nosy but basically normal way. To get the equivalent of a video, by comparison, you’d have to pull up a chair and camp outside, staring at the place. Which...probably does actually have legal consequences in a bunch of places? You’re saying it like it’s just an artificial difference but I think the two actually pretty well parallel completely different real life behaviors with pretty different associations. Also out of the abstract, giving free access to video over your place makes it miles easier for burglars to figure out when you’re home and not, which is a pretty genuine consequence and something they can’t do in the real world anywhere near as easily. Does street view have any actual impact like that? People are despairing over it for as yet undefined ~privacy~ reasons, but aside from feelings of uncomfortableness, I’m not sure anyone’s given an example of what someone having free access to a still image of your unblurred house actually means. If there is, I could see the argument having some merit, but right now I think the satellite image is way more of a thing that impacts us personally than anything someone can actually do with street view. Whining about corporations having a picture of the outside of your house seems especially weird, especially since they have the loving thing anyway, they have to have the image to blur it you know.
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Ardennes posted:It is answerable but I am not sure the maps thread is where to discusss it, there is a Soviet history thread around though. Thanks. I got ill with a flu before finishing the thread, but already got a answer: Industrialization + mobilization of womens = rapid grown. Grown is really good for a society. But industrialization has end when is completed, and the next thing is des-industrialization, that is very costly to a society. The URSS grown was because did not had a industrialization process before, and once they finished it, they where hosed up. This raised more questions on me, what is exactly des-industrialization and why is neccesary. And if the path for a society is to get rid of the industry.. where the industry moves?. I have to read about this this more.
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More like echt Fisch
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Squalid posted:Congrats dummy, you got fishmeched. Plz stop quoting him out of consideration for the rest of us. Here's a zoomable, interactive map where you can apply various layers. https://www.globalforestwatch.org/
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Count Roland posted:Here's a zoomable, interactive map where you can apply various layers. Sweden / Finland is confusing. Net gain of forest? When in history were either of those countries clear cut of their forests? Shouldn’t like 95% of both countries be light green like Norway? Cool map / link though.
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Dec 31, 2018 10:04
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Saladman posted:Sweden / Finland is confusing. Net gain of forest? When in history were either of those countries clear cut of their forests? Shouldn’t like 95% of both countries be light green like Norway? Sweden had massive use of wood when they had armies and fleets, like 16xx etc. Also it might be getting a bit warmer there thanks to global warming which might make it easier on trees. Finland had long a massive paper industry which I think I read is going worse than it was. Also used to be part of Sweden, see above. (TBF, Norway way sometimes also part of Sweden or Denmark and they got wood from there too). Also: - net gain does not imply it was clear cut. One tree more is a net gain. - the coloration is confusing: light green shows current wood (part of a country). Dark green shows the whole country getting more wood. At least up there.
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Also the french Aquitaine Region on the map is confusing me because it's both a net loss and a net gain zone on the map, which kinda make sense since most pines were planted in the dune of the Landes' artificial forest to prevent erosion and kill the local swamps, the old trees keep falling because of the sometime violent coastal winds while new ones keep getting planted to keep the forest up. It's a constant plantation. I think the map show where trees were cut and where trees were planted up and the net gain/loss part is pretty imprecise.
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Saladman posted:Sweden / Finland is confusing. Net gain of forest? When in history were either of those countries clear cut of their forests? Shouldn’t like 95% of both countries be light green like Norway? 
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Why are they using 3 green colors, while lore has only 2 defined? I'm living on a red dot in Northern Finland and there's literally miles of forests to north of me, but it is colored only medium green.
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adhuin posted:Why are they using 3 green colors, while lore has only 2 defined? Medium green looks to means existing forest, even though it isn't shown on the legend.
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Seriously, European reforestation is one of those massive giant unsung success stories you never really hear about.
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RagnarokZ posted:Seriously, European reforestation is one of those massive giant unsung success stories you never really hear about. Ehh, even countries as forested as Finland have biodiversity issues because the forest is overwhelmingly in industrial use. There's forest and then there's forest
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RagnarokZ posted:Seriously, European reforestation is one of those massive giant unsung success stories you never really hear about. People just had less use for wood once they started making boats out of metal, household items out of plastic, and the generalization of electricity meant that you could heat your house without a fireplace. Also we need like perhaps 5% as much agricultural land as we did in 1900 so we can let the forest grow back on lands that are no longer in use. At least where rich arable land isn't turned into endless fields of commercial warehouses.
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Cat Mattress posted:People just had less use for wood once they started making boats out of metal, household items out of plastic, and the generalization of electricity meant that you could heat your house without a fireplace. 5%? I know modern fertilizer and mechanization is great but it’s not 20x better than ox-drawn ploughs and crop rotation... is it? BBC has an article a couple days ago about Latvia along these lines, due to its population becoming nearly 100% urban and the population declining by 33% over the past thirty years. Estonia and Lithuania are in more or less the same boat I always find it funny when pro-growth news sources like The Economist wring their hands about lack of GDP and population growth in Japan. Like it’s a bad thing to get "stuck" at Japanese levels of human development. Oh nooo people having good living standards and more open spaces at a gradual peaceful pace.
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Saladman posted:5%? I know modern fertilizer and mechanization is great but it’s not 20x better than ox-drawn ploughs and crop rotation... is it? Import food from somewhere with a longer growing season. 
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Saladman posted:I always find it funny when pro-growth news sources like The Economist wring their hands about lack of GDP and population growth in Japan. Like it’s a bad thing to get "stuck" at Japanese levels of human development. Oh nooo people having good living standards and more open spaces at a gradual peaceful pace. Especially since afaik, Japan has also maintained decent increases in per capita GDP. Although looking at a graph of that just now it looks stagnant. I think that might in part be due to currency fuckery.
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Cat Mattress posted:People just had less use for wood once they started making boats out of metal, household items out of plastic, and the generalization of electricity meant that you could heat your house without a fireplace. The difference is very obviously that we just get our wood from elsewhere, the west is still to blame for the deforestation.
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Saladman posted:5%? That's hyperbole, I didn't bother to look for actual statistics on this. ELO Musk posted:The difference is very obviously that we just get our wood from elsewhere, the west is still to blame for the deforestation. That too.
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We do probably need much less wood than we used to but boy do we "need" a lot of palm oil
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Squalid posted:Especially since afaik, Japan has also maintained decent increases in per capita GDP. Although looking at a graph of that just now it looks stagnant. I think that might in part be due to currency fuckery. GDP per capita of working age population has been increasing in line with the rest of the world IIRC, it's just that their working age population has been shrinking for a while and the overall population is declining now, too. South Korea is only a bit behind Japan's trajectory on that front and China is only a bit behind them.
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Ras Het posted:Ehh, even countries as forested as Finland have biodiversity issues because the forest is overwhelmingly in industrial use. There's forest and then there's forest It still seems like the overall trend is towards improvement. Apparently farmers and rural folk in France are pissed because wolves have returned and are eating their livestock. I mean, it sucks if you're the guy to lose a goat but you need a pretty robust ecosystem to maintain apex predators like wolves. Saladman posted:5%? I know modern fertilizer and mechanization is great but it’s not 20x better than ox-drawn ploughs and crop rotation... is it? I read The Economist (actually its where the wolf story above came from) and the hand wringing tends to come from worries about a small population of workers supporting the ever increasing medical and care needs of the larger elderly population. The old eventually die and no longer need support, but the birth rate keeps falling so the old outnumbering the young is set to continue for a long time. Though I agree that the country is so far handling things very well.
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Yeah, it has very serious implications for social security in any country that actually has a well-developed social security system - which I guess excludes the US and some parts of Eastern Europe. It's not so much about 'growth' (which most people will agree is not a desirable long-term goal as far as the population is concerned) but rather sustainability. There are also some worries about it leading to a predominantly conservative attitude that's afraid of innovation and radical changes, but that seems more anecdotal to me, even if I don't necessarily think it's a good thing that boomers are by far the most important voting bloc in Western countries today.
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In Norway at least there are some species that are dependent on meadows, which were traditionally maintained by grazing but are now mostly turning into forest.
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Count Roland posted:It still seems like the overall trend is towards improvement. Yeah I mean those are good signs but the progress is slow, particularly in the middle of the global collapse of ecosystems That reminded me, I learned the other day that there's much more jackals in Europe than there are wolves, which makes sense since they thrive in areas where are no wolves, but it seems... culturally off Grevling posted:In Norway at least there are some species that are dependent on meadows, which were traditionally maintained by grazing but are now mostly turning into forest. Tangential, but this relates to farming economics too: in Finland something like ten times more land is used for growing fodder than for direct grazing, and harvesting the fodder is obviously more destructive to bird fledglings, rodents etc than the grazing
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Ras Het posted:Ehh, even countries as forested as Finland have biodiversity issues because the forest is overwhelmingly in industrial use. There's forest and then there's forest Kepu biomonoculturizes every time.
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