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BIG HEADLINE posted:Honestly, that's way more plausible. They shouldn't have over-reached, since you could 'sell' that as them doing RCS testing on just the frontal aspect on a ~tried and tested platform~. But then it doesn't look sort of like a B-2 which is a problem since the whole reason they're making bullshit photoshops is to say China just as stronk as America
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Fojar38 posted:But then it doesn't look sort of like a B-2 which is a problem since the whole reason they're making bullshit photoshops is to say China just as stronk as America If it doesn't look like something out of Ghost in the Shell it isn't convincing. The anime effect.
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NightGyr posted:What's up with having a CH-47 and CH-53K? I wouldn't be so sure about the accuracy of that article, particularly at the end where it suggests the IAF may buy F-22s. If they figure out how to do that I'm sure the USAF would like to know more
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Blistex posted:Maybe if you didn't let photographers get too close to them, or you actually put some effort into the mock-ups so they didn't look like a GI Joe vehicle. Trying for "Stealthy" if you're a nation like Iran isn't going to fly . . . because those kinds of programs don't happen in nations where reverse-engineering a T-5 takes the better part of 1/2 a century. Or just spend your money asymmetrically like the Iranians have. Prestige projects like that don’t matter much to them, I don’t think they believe they will have an airforce let alone an airbase after the balloon goes up. They will focus on a missile based sortie generation like Hezbollah has, with rockets of increasing accuracy. Shutting down the straight of Hormuz. Using proxies in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Lebanon, and maybe Yemen to some extent. Their most valuable assets aviation-wise are their Il-76’s and 747’s.
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Coldwar timewarp posted:Or just spend your money asymmetrically like the Iranians have. Prestige projects like that don’t matter much to them, I don’t think they believe they will have an airforce let alone an airbase after the balloon goes up. They will focus on a missile based sortie generation like Hezbollah has, with rockets of increasing accuracy. Shutting down the straight of Hormuz. Using proxies in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Lebanon, and maybe Yemen to some extent. Their most valuable assets aviation-wise are their Il-76’s and 747’s. You forgot their Airbus A300B2-203's.
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Iran's got the world's only operational KC-747, too. The only place you can see one in the western world is the Spirit of Everett at the Museum of Flight, but it doesn't have the boom installed, just the aft window.
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Kinda surprised the USMC hasn't strapped a 105mm howitzer to the the side of a -53E yet. There was an Army proposal in the '70s to put a pair of 'em on the -47 (one could be offloaded and set up as a regular field gun.)
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The idea of MV-22 gunships keeps coming up. Not sure how serious/credible they are for now. But it feels almost like a given that SOME kind of up-armed version will come to exist.  I mean, Marines already made this:  On top of the Hellfires on the outboard station, it carries a pair of Griffin missile tubes (left) and a magazine of up to 10 Griffin missiles (right). 
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Dec 30, 2018 15:57
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In definitely pre-1991 news, the XP-82 Twin Mustang restoration project is almost ready for its first flight! Nothing says Cold War like intercepting Tu-4s over the Arctic in a prop plane.
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mlmp08 posted:On top of the Hellfires on the outboard station, it carries a pair of Griffin missile tubes (left) and a magazine of up to 10 Griffin missiles (right). Are these crew-served? Does a guy have to stand there pulling missiles out of the magazine (right) and shoving them in tubes (left) to reload mid-engagement like they were shipping propaganda posters?
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Dec 30, 2018 18:05
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Yes. But given engagement timelines, it's probably not a huge deal? It's not like Harvest Hawks are hanging out over contested beach landings. They're mostly responding to pop up targets or dudes taking cover behind rocks or armored vehicles and calling for fire. About 2 minutes into this video, you can see a two-person crew loading them up. https://vimeo.com/101432092
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Kesper North posted:Are these crew-served? Does a guy have to stand there pulling missiles out of the magazine (right) and shoving them in tubes (left) to reload mid-engagement like they were shipping propaganda posters? Most things on an AC-130 / Harvest Hawk / Dragon Spear are crew served.
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wkarma posted:Most things on an AC-130 / Harvest Hawk / Dragon Spear are crew served. I cringe at the thought of how crew must get rattled around not being strapped in during maneuvering. The inside of one of those things is big enough to make dipping the wing a pretty big fall from one side to the other.
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They hand load the 40mm and 105s on the 130Us, I assume at least still the 105s they added back to the Js too. For the Griffins to be similar isn't very surprising, especially given the HAWK gunship stuff is a roll on/roll off type deal.
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Dec 30, 2018 18:37
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Here is, once again, some more aggressively Cold War poo poo, A finnish army hype video from the eighties. Watch out, you might grow a mullet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jicx-QXbc7o It has Drakens and Mig21s in it and all kinds of Cold War airpower because of course Finnish Air Force would have both.
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mlmp08 posted:The idea of MV-22 gunships keeps coming up. Not sure how serious/credible they are
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Dead Reckoning posted:*leans forward until my lips are touching the microphone* "They're not." I keep wondering how an SV-22 might work. Every submarine within 100 miles would hear it in a hover, but it'd theoretically give battlegroups with just LHAs/LHDs pretty decent standoff ASW capability.
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Can a submarine actually hear a helicopter? Seems like that would depend on a lot of things, like the sea state, how deep the sub is, how high the helicopter is...
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*takes a huge bong rip* KV-2-- wait a minute didn't i read....quote:Boeing is developing a roll-on/roll-off aerial refueling kit, which would give the V-22 the ability to refuel other aircraft.  my hilarious joke!
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Dead Reckoning posted:*leans forward until my lips are touching the microphone* "They're not." BAE did develop a retractable belly minigun turret for CV and MV-22s. It apparently caused too much nausea for the operator, which dissuaded SOCOM from acquiring it, but it seems like the Marines put them on a few of their MV-22s and deployed with them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYJML71QQbo Semper Vomitus 
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TIL the Chinook is still being produced after 56 years!
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It’s not cutting edge tech but it’s still one hell of an aircraft in capabilities.
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Vahakyla posted:Here is, once again, some more aggressively Cold War poo poo, A finnish army hype video from the eighties. Watch out, you might grow a mullet. I notice that some are wearing a big-rear end mitten on their left hand, is this for winter protection?
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Having not watched the video (yet), a "big rear end mitten" makes me immediately think of what you'd wear to deploy razor wire.
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Kesper North posted:I cringe at the thought of how crew must get rattled around not being strapped in during maneuvering. The inside of one of those things is big enough to make dipping the wing a pretty big fall from one side to the other. Moving around during C-130 maneuvers isn’t all that difficult. Even a 60-degree wing dip doesn’t result in that much movement within the cargo compartment, and canny crew members will always have something within arm’s reach to brace against. Plus, a high-bank turn is normally accompanied by some extra Gs, making it easier to stay put. The real danger is turbulence, which can generate negative Gs followed very quickly by the opposite. This is even worse on cargo compartment crew, especially when they’re near the paratroop doors like the pictures. The term “ping pong ball” comes to mind.
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Xerxes17 posted:I notice that some are wearing a big-rear end mitten on their left hand, is this for winter protection? For the LMG gunners it's probably a heat-resistant glove that's part of their kit, for barrel swapping. For others, it's probably because the handguard on the original model of the RK 62 rifle doesn't wrap around the gastube for some big brained reason, so handling it with bare hands is really annoying.
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That big-rear end mitten would be your very basic winter mitten of the FDF called ”nocando” theyre thick leather mittens with wool-fakewool insert and they are super warm and thick enough to handle a MG3 barrel after 500 rounds Or manhandling the red-hot wood burning stove out of your tent and into the snowbank when alarm gets called and tents need to disappear. Why the name? Because thats how useful they are when it comes to precision tasks like filling a magazine. You would also have fake leather gloves with inserts but individual fingered gloves can never be as warm as a mitten when it comes to real cold temperatures so wearing one-and-one keeps left hand warm while you can still actually do stuff with right until it freezes over. Also even though the gas tube top is exposed on some rk62 versions its not really reachable while holding the gun unless you have a super weird grip. Valtonen fucked around with this message at 13:08 on Dec 31, 2018 |
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Also the other videos of that uploader is some real  poo poo.
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CIGNX posted:BAE did develop a retractable belly minigun turret for CV and MV-22s. It apparently caused too much nausea for the operator, which dissuaded SOCOM from acquiring it, but it seems like the Marines put them on a few of their MV-22s and deployed with them. Don't show the Air Force this, they will get idea that the B-1b can do CAS because we need supersonic CAS aircraft.
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Xerxes17 posted:Also the other videos of that uploader is some real Holy poo poo, don't take my post as an approval of the channel. I didn't notice, but the reich was strong on that one.
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Xerxes17 posted:Also the other videos of that uploader is some real What do you mean, a Pinochet tribute called Start up the rotors is completely normal right?
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Dead Reckoning posted:*leans forward until my lips are touching the microphone* "They're not." Remember that time a bunch of Ospreys got shot up in Juba because there were no escorts with the speed and range to protect them? Do you have a better idea to deal with that than armed Ospreys?
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Mortabis posted:Remember that time a bunch of Ospreys got shot up in Juba because there were no escorts with the speed and range to protect them? Do you have a better idea to deal with that than armed Ospreys?  you rang? But yeah, I figure at least a limited number of up-armed MV-22s or the option to add armament pylons is a matter of when rather than if. The MV-22 is gonna be around for a while. They're still in production,* with orders being fielded into the mid 2020s, so there's plenty of time for upgrades, etc. *CMV-22 at least
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Since the Rafale M is thread-legal, let's chill in the sky, over the seas and mountains. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXXl3dEx6qo
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wargames posted:Don't show the Air Force this, they will get idea that the B-1b can do CAS because we need supersonic CAS aircraft. They have been using the BOne for CAS for a while now. https://www.military.com/daily-news/2018/01/14/b-1b-lancers-evolving-mission-take-more-close-air-support.html
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Weird poo poo happening with Turkey. Either the US is trying to get them to cancel the S-400 deal, or Patriot and S-400 are going to have to learn to play...together? Along with the F-35? Whatever happens it will be awesome. Turkish article: quote:Although the Patriot missile defense systems issue was discussed earlier, the announcement came in a critical period for Turkey-U.S. relations, when the S-400 missile defense systems deal is being perceived as a looming crisis; mostly due to the discussions about the adoption of Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA) and the report from the U.S. Defense Department following the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA). Meanwhile some other Turkish guy and the Russians insist the S-400 deal is going down no matter what. quote:Ankara's purchase of US missiles worth $3.5 billion will not affect a deal to acquire rival S-400 missiles from Russia, the Turkish presidential spokesman said Monday.
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^ Yeah, I'm very nerdily looking forward to seeing how that all pans out. The timing of the Patriot deal was also the same day that the president initially said we were pulling out of Syria. I do not want to talk further about politics, but these things are inevitable and academically interesting regarding arms deals. I wish we could combine US operational capability with French video aesthetics. US naval aviation videos are so fuckin' bro mode. And they're not edited in-house by the geeky pilot/crew chief anymore; they shop a lot of the footage out to production companies that basically exist to cut together these bro-tastic videos. They have apparently not gotten the word that dubstep isn't still in fashion. Before someone points out that Skrillex still sells out concerts, even his music has changed a lot since the start of dubstep. There are cool shots in here, but holy hell, the editing and musical choices. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02f7b9_Tlk8 mlmp08 fucked around with this message at 16:33 on Dec 31, 2018 |
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Not to mention all those rolling coal videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLgYRvprGpo ought ten fucked around with this message at 17:06 on Dec 31, 2018 |
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ought ten posted:Not to mention all those rolling coal videos The AF has been doing "studies" for almost 22 years on how to replace those 33's. The upgrades were supposed to start LAST year... and they still haven't selected a replacement engine yet. They looked at the GE Passport engine (which is plenty powerful) and the TF34 (which is not near as powerful as even the 33 in its military form, like on the S-3 or A-10, but the civilian version is quite powerful in later versions), the BR700-725A1 (from RR) and the PW800 series...
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mlmp08 posted:There are cool shots in here, but holy hell, the editing and musical choices. Who needs wipers when you go from zero to 170 knots in 2 seconds. Did I mention the Super Bug is a wonderful aircraft?
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