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Mooseontheloose posted:It was like 5 years ago, I am not sure if I can find the article but the death of small local churches have caused a big problem too. To fill the void, megachurches popped up and started preaching prosperity bible. So between a lack of local churches people chose between no organized Christianity (like you are talking about with the CHUD types) or themegachurch. They feel no connection in their localities and live in places that are designed around not getting people together. Yeah this is the kind of stuff I'm referring to, it's much harder to destroy and alienate your neighbors when your civically engaged, and right now the culture is more concerned about capital than people's well being.
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Mooseontheloose posted:Peterson sounds like he is for the right wingers who are too "smart" for religion and need pseudo science to back up their horrible disgusting views on race and gender. The weird thing is that Peterson himself is quite religious as far as we can tell
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Squalid posted:I'm not going to double check this but I recall there was statistical evidence that this is a true characterization. That is a lot of the more extreme far right Trump people came from christian backgrounds and continue to identify as cultural christians, despite their rates of church attendance and other overt participation in christian institutions declining. I don't know if you've ever been in a megachurch, or watched an hour of Joel Osteen, but one can coat their political (or simply selfish) message with the most inoffensive, pleasant-sounding, linguistic styrofoam that you want, but it's still there, reason be damned. I mean, you're right, smaller congregations have pastors/priests that aren't nationally televised and can politicize their sermon much more easily, but trust me, it's a big problem. It depends on the megachurch. Some of them are pure capatalistic grift-mansions, and some are political megaphones. But as always, there's "porque no los dos?" KickerOfMice fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Jan 1, 2019 |
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50 cent as the voice of reason. '19 coming on with a bumpy start.
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KickerOfMice posted:I don't know if you've ever been in a megachurch, or watched an hour of Joel Osteen, but one can coat their political (or simply selfish) message with the most inoffensive, pleasant-sounding, linguistic styrofoam that you want, but it's still there, reason be damned. I mean, you're right, smaller congregations have pastors/priests that aren't nationally televised and can politicize their sermon much more easily, but trust me, it's a big problem. It depends on the megachurch. Some of them are pure capatalistic grift-mansions, and some are political megaphones. But as always, there's "porque no los dos?" Imagine if they had to pay taxes. Katt posted:50 cent as the voice of reason. '19 coming on with a bumpy start. 9 years ago.
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I apologize if my ranting is coming off as militant-athiest, or anti-religious, I assure you it's not. I've just got a whole herd of beef with people who would use the faith of others to enrich themselves, or their political funders.
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ZypherIM posted:Well actual mental illness, but something that has also been happening I think is that he doesn't seem to have anyone who course corrects him when he veers off into the weeds of mental thought. Suddenly he is tweeting the craziest poo poo and doesn't seem to listen to anyone. https://twitter.com/kanyewest/status/1080212949464043520 i think there are some issues with control/perceived control too. sexpig by night posted:I'm genuinely curious what poo poo like Jordan Peterson popularizing his right wing christian morality as a secular 'natural order' claptrap is gonna do to those kinds of numbers. Like, yea I'm sure most of his fans consider themselves atheist or agnostic but do they also spout his 'there is objective good and evil in the world and women must submit to men and horf horf horf' poo poo that's just right wing protestant fascism without the jesus? Does it matter if they 'consider themselves religious' any more to anyone but the clergy who are losing the butts in seats? yeah. i think alot of it is them wanting to feel like a counter culture(religion is on the decline in western society) also alot of them jerk off the whole "western civilizations and the arts and poo poo". its more of a cultureal aesthetic then anything.
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Yea I mean we can laugh at Liberty U and Falwell all day (and believe me, I will) but at the end of the day, politically, IS there any difference between some Liberty U student who thinks God has blessed Trump because no matter what he'll protect the babies and put the faggots in their place and some dink at NYU who thinks Trump is an alpha badass because no matter what he's triggering the libs by loving up women's health and putting trans people in their place? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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KickerOfMice posted:I apologize if my ranting is coming off as militant-athiest, or anti-religious, I assure you it's not. I've just got a whole herd of beef with people who would use the faith of others to enrich themselves, or their political funders. well, if you say so *crumples up plans for neo Hindu cult of personality, throws them in trash*
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Speaking of religion, you know who is going to hell? The testicle-face who broke into my car last night and stole everything out of the glove box! Who steals sunglasses and hand sanitizer?
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sexpig by night posted:Yea I mean we can laugh at Liberty U and Falwell all day (and believe me, I will) but at the end of the day, politically, IS there any difference between some Liberty U student who thinks God has blessed Trump because no matter what he'll protect the babies and put the faggots in their place and some dink at NYU who thinks Trump is an alpha badass because no matter what he's triggering the libs by loving up women's health and putting trans people in their place? yes, because one of them would support Pence et al
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GreyjoyBastard posted:yes, because one of them would support Pence et al But the Peterson Pepe crew will support Pence! He's also just doing the ~natural order~ because he hates women and LGBT folks. I 100% promise you even without Trump's charisma for these people they will still give Pence and any other social right winger the same 'he triggers the libs, he's alpha, they're scared of him!' treatment. I mean these people say Shapiro is alpha logic daddy too and Pence could kick his rear end!
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KickerOfMice posted:Speaking of religion, you know who is going to hell? The testicle-face who broke into my car last night and stole everything out of the glove box! Hungover people concerned about disease? Sucks though, window probably worth more than what they stole.
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sexpig by night posted:But the Peterson Pepe crew will support Pence! He's also just doing the ~natural order~ because he hates women and LGBT folks. Yeah but they wouldn't be as enthusiastic for him. Fewer of them would show up and vote. It'll make a difference.
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KickerOfMice posted:Speaking of religion, you know who is going to hell? The testicle-face who broke into my car last night and stole everything out of the glove box! Someone with pinkeye?
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KickerOfMice posted:I don't know if you've ever been in a megachurch, or watched an hour of Joel Osteen, but one can coat their political (or simply selfish) message with the most inoffensive, pleasant-sounding, linguistic styrofoam that you want, but it's still there, reason be damned. I mean, you're right, smaller congregations have pastors/priests that aren't nationally televised and can politicize their sermon much more easily, but trust me, it's a big problem. It depends on the megachurch. Some of them are pure capatalistic grift-mansions, and some are political megaphones. But as always, there's "porque no los dos?" I have not and god willing will never. There's a reason I chose the word "moderating" rather than a word like liberalizing to describe what has happened. The logic is fairly simple, the greater the scale of a church, the greater their expenses and therefore the larger pool of capital they need to acquire. As the money of Blacks and Hispanics is just as green as that of Whites, it doesn't pay to alienate these demographics. The same is not true of small churchs in highly segregated neighborhoods, like the Georgia church expelled from the Baptist community this summer, which only need to appeal to a narrower slice of the culture. Their need to maintain an effective capitalist grift constrains even if it doesn't prohibit a lot of political behavior. This was on display when Trump first tried to implement his travel ban -- immigrants are a big growth demographic for these kinds of churchs and their leaders weren't happy for them to be got rid of
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KickerOfMice posted:Speaking of religion, you know who is going to hell? The testicle-face who broke into my car last night and stole everything out of the glove box! Might be able to sell the sunglasses, and depending on desperation, drink the hand sanitizer.
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sexpig by night posted:Yea I mean we can laugh at Liberty U and Falwell all day (and believe me, I will) but at the end of the day, politically, IS there any difference between some Liberty U student who thinks God has blessed Trump because no matter what he'll protect the babies and put the faggots in their place and some dink at NYU who thinks Trump is an alpha badass because no matter what he's triggering the libs by loving up women's health and putting trans people in their place? One is closer to me and I will enjoy setting them off throwing a hail satan.
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Crabtree posted:One is closer to me and I will enjoy setting them off throwing a hail satan. this, this is fair
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Jack2142 posted:It doesn't matter if Kanye is mentally ill or not he is still bad. yeah mental illness might make Kanye post bad but it can't make someone like Trump. That poo poo is all on him.
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KickerOfMice posted:Speaking of religion, you know who is going to hell? The testicle-face who broke into my car last night and stole everything out of the glove box! Look for someone with weak eyes and dirty hands
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theflyingorc posted:Look for someone with weak eyes and dirty hands you'll never catch me
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sexpig by night posted:But the Peterson Pepe crew will support Pence! He's also just doing the ~natural order~ because he hates women and LGBT folks. It's not really a matter of whether people will support him, but whether Pence will gather a large enough following to stay relevant. For those not aware of Indiana politics, he was despised by the end and had no future outside of super niche right wing evangelical crowd. He's not someone who can soak up hatred and anger like Trump does. What Trump has is a cult of personality behind him. That requires charisma, no matter how manufactured it is. Pence does not have this charisma and so the cult of personality will disperse as cults do when their leader leaves. People will still support Pence, but his problem is that he'll trend evangelical when it appears that you can be everything Jesus despised and still get away with it. Many would vote for the devil himself if he helped maintain their status and power. The republican party is a changed institution and I doubt that it will respond well to the loss of its cult leader. You can't just wind back down from that. On top of that mess, you're looking at an ongoing demographics collapse. Millenials and whatever generation that follows eventually them is eventually referred to are extremely politically active. The neoliberal order which has existed since the end of world war 2 is being challenged in a real way for the first time and it's not particularly aware of how to make a case for itself. We're currently testing the republican party, authoritarianism, white supremacy and fascism, and it's failing too because Trump is a fuckup. I thank my lucky stars just how incompetent Trump is, because America would be turbofucked by a competent fascist. Personally I think that we're going to be testing some leftist policies come 2020-2024 as well as undoing the damage from the Trump administration. There's going to be a push by the American people to see if that works or not. Not because leftist policies are some natural end result of this mess, but because I believe that certain political ideologies are being tested and found to fail. Obama failed in 2008 because he wanted to negotiate with people who hated him instead of lead. He had all of this political capital to completely revolutionize the country and squandered it. Trump is failing now because he's incompetent and the republicans are failing because they're enabling him. I am almost positive that we're going to see left leaning policies being floated in 2020 and there's going to be serious interest in them by constituents. We're going to see a wild swing back to democrats with house, senate and presidency all being captured by them. And again we'll see if the dems will take the lead or trip over their dicks again. There isn't going to be a super majority in the senate, but for two years you're going to get a majority and that's enough to get poo poo done. I don't expect the ownership classes are going to get taken to task, but you're going to see some interesting stuff as democrats do what they can to grasp and maintain power.
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Caros posted:Might be able to sell the sunglasses, and depending on desperation, drink the hand sanitizer. Nah, the only fancy things I own are the kitchen stuff, and satan and God both help you if you try to take them from me. sexpig by night posted:you'll never catch me The chase begins. 
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Ice Phisherman posted:It's not really a matter of whether people will support him, but whether Pence will gather a large enough following to stay relevant. For those not aware of Indiana politics, he was despised by the end and had no future outside of super niche right wing evangelical crowd. He's not someone who can soak up hatred and anger like Trump does. You're ignoring the filibuster on multiple points here
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Trump so obviously doesn’t understand what it means in a practical sense that the Dems now have control over the House that it hurts Can you imagine him if he had started his term and he either didn't have the house or the entirety of Congress? He's totally unprepared to be checked at all by the House that up until now has given him the freest ride of seen of any modern president and it's already man child meltdown marathon every day so I can't imagine what it looks like ramped the gently caress up in about oh I'd say....a week. He literally gets to enjoy about 40 more hours of relative peace. Like he has no idea how much he's pissed the holidays and the last days of the easiest time he's probably ever going to get as president away. At least the topic of his bitching is probably about to get a lot more consistent. Nancy Pelosi won't just agree with every single stupid idea that comes into my head and whip it through the house, what a nasty woman etc. etc.
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Mooseontheloose posted:It was like 5 years ago, I am not sure if I can find the article but the death of small local churches have caused a big problem too. To fill the void, megachurches popped up and started preaching prosperity bible. So between a lack of local churches people chose between no organized Christianity (like you are talking about with the CHUD types) or themegachurch. They feel no connection in their localities and live in places that are designed around not getting people together. Depends where you live I guess. In the South there's no lack of small local churches. Usually they'll rent out space in school cafeterias on Sundays until they get enough members to pay for a permanent location. My grandmother-in-law, upon visiting from Vermont, couldn't get over how many churches we had.
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Ice Phisherman posted:It's not really a matter of whether people will support him, but whether Pence will gather a large enough following to stay relevant. For those not aware of Indiana politics, he was despised by the end and had no future outside of super niche right wing evangelical crowd. He's not someone who can soak up hatred and anger like Trump does. I get a real Hugo Chavez/Maduro dynamic between Trump/Pence: first guy promises the moon, makes a gigantic mess, and leaves an incompetent guy behind that lacks the charisma to keep the bullshit going.
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KickerOfMice posted:Speaking of religion, you know who is going to hell? The testicle-face who broke into my car last night and stole everything out of the glove box! A junkie who is desperate for anything they can possibly sell or trade to get their next fix.
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DarkHorse posted:I get a real Hugo Chavez/Maduro dynamic between Trump/Pence: first guy promises the moon, makes a gigantic mess, and leaves an incompetent guy behind that lacks the charisma to keep the bullshit going. This is incredibly unfair to Hugo imo
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kidkissinger posted:This is incredibly unfair to Hugo imo you can blame a lot on western governments loving up Venezuela but Hugo was also real dumb
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:A junkie who is desperate for anything they can possibly sell or trade to get their next fix. I realize this, I was just making a joke out an extremely goofy burglary.  Nothing important was stolen, I'm not really goona sweat it. But they were really cool sunglasses! 
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When AOC is old enough to run for president I hope this is her campaign song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acT_PSAZ7BQ
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Kammat posted:Has old Congress officially gaveled out or can they still do some last minute fuckery tomorrow? I think legally they could but there's enough procedural hurdles that I doubt they'd have the time. Plus all of the people who lost their seats have gone home for the holidays and aren't going to come back for a symbolic act. Besides that, the House passing another bill to stall out in the Senate won't really accomplish anything that wasn't accomplished a week ago.
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KickerOfMice posted:Speaking of religion, you know who is going to hell? The testicle-face who broke into my car last night and stole everything out of the glove box! I hope they meet the person who broke into my car and stole loose change a few years ago when I was visiting my mother in the hospital after surgery.
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