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Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Graphic posted:

unironically thinking Cuba is a much more humane (if, again, more boring) society. Whatever the CIA accounting is of Cuba's number of "political prisoners," it wouldn't even match the number of black people serving life for possession since the 70s in one US state.

it's an absolute certainty that the United States has way more political prisoners anyway

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Doc Neutral
Jan 31, 2014

Tastykake posted:

vanguard party but theyre all eunuchs
Marxism-Leninism-Unsulliedism.

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

all officers should volunteer to take dick softening pills
viagra is counterrevolutionary :hai:

Doc Neutral
Jan 31, 2014

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

it's an absolute certainty that the United States has way more political prisoners anyway

Probably not just in raw numbers but also in per capita

Graphic
Sep 4, 2018

It's like Lenin said

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

it's an absolute certainty that the United States has way more political prisoners anyway

probably, I didn't want to get my tiny mind in a twist trying to define to myself what constitutes a political prisoner in this faux-free society that's been concocted for us compared to a "normal" political prisoner you think of in 2nd and 3rd world countries.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Graphic posted:

probably, I didn't want to get my tiny mind in a twist trying to define to myself what constitutes a political prisoner in this faux-free society that's been concocted for us compared to a "normal" political prisoner you think of in 2nd and 3rd world countries.

The only real difference is that America prosecutes political dissidents under trumped up charges, or you brutalize people who are already in the system for political activity behind bars.

Question Friend
Aug 3, 2018

by FactsAreUseless

Doc Neutral posted:

what is it with leftist politics and sex pestery? what’s the solution, forcing people to sign a volcel clause before joining?

I don't even think it's limited to politics and Hollywood it's just that we hear about those most because they're celebrities

Question Friend
Aug 3, 2018

by FactsAreUseless
Why isn't Cuba used as an example of socialism working

freckle
Apr 6, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo
it is

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?


BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

he was right about the social fascists at the women's march

Oh the social fascists weren't at the Women's March, the social fascists were his roommates kicking him out that summer because he was two months behind on the rent and had left open cans of food around so long they were evolving entire new domains of life.

Crazycryodude fucked around with this message at 23:35 on Dec 31, 2018

smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
Death to America, comrades.

freckle
Apr 6, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo
cuba is better at natural disasters, has wonderful doctors, and has been psychically murdering our diplomats(spies).

cuba owns

freckle fucked around with this message at 00:05 on Jan 1, 2019

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

The only real difference is that America prosecutes political dissidents under trumped up charges, or you brutalize people who are already in the system for political activity behind bars.
but we aren't the Russians

political trials are taboo

we got secret ways of getting rid of you

Red Dad Redemption
Sep 29, 2007

Dreddout posted:

we got secret ways of getting rid of you

unless you happen to be traveling abroad, in which case drone strikes are fine

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Crazycryodude posted:

Oh the social fascists weren't at the Women's March, the social fascists were his roommates kicking him out that summer because he was two months behind on the rent and had left open cans of food around so long they were evolving entire new domains of life.

Final Fantasy House is back, baby.

smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
yeah i know i'm a month and a half late on rent, but have you ever considered Marx,

edit;

tho having your materials threatened can suc

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
https://twitter.com/getfiscal/status/1079893368409341952

smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

"o get hosed donald"

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Donald speaks the truth

Graphic
Sep 4, 2018

It's like Lenin said

Question Friend posted:

Why isn't Cuba used as an example of socialism working

genuinely well meaning left liberals have been using the cuban health care system as an example of why ours sucks poo poo for decades

Peanut President
Nov 5, 2008

by Athanatos

yeah?

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

quote:

Hey there. My name's Red Guards Austin (or “RGA”). I’m gonna tell you all a little bit about the recent history of this org, along with some other thoughts and context. To clarify, for those who know me, I’m not the one who’s been making the recent WordPress posts (which I have since deleted - I have also removed the admin in question).

A while back, the original Chairman of the org - who is very talented, was the one who made it so popular and beloved, and whom I respect even though we haven’t been on good terms for a while now - decided she didn’t want it anymore, and offered to sell it to someone who would like to try their hand at it. I offered to buy it - at the time, we were friends, and she was excited for me to take it over.

However, I soon discovered that it took a big toll on me to spend very much time putting myself in the headspace required to make fun of people with polemics, and I didn’t really have it in me to lead the org properly either. So instead...

I was a hardcore Maoist at this time. Very dogmatic. Delusional, even, and dead-set on spreading True Theory however possible, constantly trying to “raise the theoretical level” wherever I was - and this was a symptom that, at the time I took over the org, was just getting worse and worse. It started to alienate more and more of my friends, confuse people, turn people against me as a result of my polemical insensitivity. During that period I tried to somehow insert formalizations I had made into my blog posts, which, lol... it would have been better to just give up on trying to lead a political organization, but I didn’t know when to quit. Until I couldn’t take it anymore, and then I stopped. But I also invited some friends to chair the org during that time, and they continued to post polemics on WordPress without me knowing.

If it’s not clear from my summary of the above, my politics have changed somewhat. I’m still a communist, but I’m not a Maoist anymore, and I don’t approve of the US Maoist so-called “parties” in the least. I don’t want an org that I am technically responsible for to be spreading political propaganda that I think is wrong-headed or even regressive and dangerous to promote on a large scale.

I do want to take this opportunity to complain a little bit about the culture of “leftbook” that draws in vulnerable youth and gives them a sense of purpose and meaning by creating echo chambers where people get to act like Mao was an eternal hero of the working class who bears no decisive responsibility for the direction that China went in, leading to capitalist restoration. The argument goes that it simply wasn’t his fault and that adopting his theories today isn’t a repetition of a historical disaster but something that actually has promise for revolution. Take it from someone who tried very seriously to put those theories into practice - the same flaws that sabotaged the Chinese project will definitely be reproduced in any attempt to redeem their legacies. I see no reason to beat this dead horse when there’s very much an alternative future of thoughtful communism available for us to explore and develop.

The decisive point I want to make about why this stuff is so doomed has to do with the commandist and cultist logic of The Party and The Correct Line. Instead of beginning from actually listening to people and moving on from there to develop thoughtful (and, sure, theoretically-informed) solutions to the problems of capitalism situationally among the oppressed in the process of struggling for a better world, the Maoist model compulsively chooses a Correct Line, forms a Party around it, and mostly just tries to guilt people into accepting their dangerously underthought ideas with righteous outrage while staging action after action promoting the Party Brand as if it’s helping anything. What’s more, we don’t even have the excuse of being in a rapidly developing and completely historically novel situation of Soviet dual power with leaders who are truly at the forefront of revolutionary theory coordinating that struggle. Today, we have people who haven’t seriously thought through the limitations and failures of those leaders and their successors and think that somehow they’ll get somewhere mostly just through following the letter of the Classic Texts rather than studying new developments and advancements in political theory over the last few decades in a depth and breadth that goes beyond their local or national organizing tradition.

It was my very investment in Maoist theory - and translating it into Maoist practice - that did my Maoism in. More and more, I started to see how the commandism - including my own - of those committed to the Maoist party-form and related models was tending to undermine the development of otherwise promising workers’ struggle in Austin and elsewhere.

I also think it’s important to note the serious psychic and personal toll it took on me and many, many others I know who’ve tried to force this model to work. I - and I’m far from the only one - was constantly on the edge of breakdowns, and it was only when I let myself question the compulsive political pressure I was putting on myself that I could make any actual progress in my own clinical treatment.

Wanting to understand the logic behind all of this craziness going on in my life, I studied the history of theory about Maoist organizing, focusing on its rigorous philosophical development in Peru, beginning with Gonzalo and examining the failures of the old US Revolutionary Communist Party led by Bob Avakian.

Unlike other dogmatic leaders, Alan Badiou and his comrade Sylvain Lazarus instead made the effort to sum up the failures of over a decade of Leninist and Maoist organizing with the thoughtful precision and clarity due to such a serious matter. As far as I’m concerned, the theory they developed, beginning from later on in the Maoist period and leading up to and beyond the formation and praxis of their “post-Maoist” l’Organisation Politique, offers some extremely promising blueprints and lessons for revolutionary organizers today who want to make actual progress and not just spin in circles. A lot of it is actually quite intuitive, but with the benefit of confidence and rigorous justification - the revolutionary thought and desire of the masses comes before any commandist political line, submitting oneself to the discipline of an organization that isn’t always learning, sensitively developing and thoughtfully updating its revolutionary ethics in response to its experience is submitting oneself to political oblivion, we should be focusing more on establishing creative cultures prefiguring communism rather than just mimicking the enemy’s tactics in Trying To Beat Them At All Costs, and so on.

I’m more interested, though, in encouraging people to break free of the confines of a compulsively determined pre-ordained Framework. I’ve found studying history and theory incredibly useful in developing flexible political thought and practice, but once it becomes more about the past than about the future, I think we’re doomed. As Althusser put it, “the future lasts a long time” - why not take responsibility for changing its immensity in truly innovative ways rather than fearfully delegating our revolutionary capacity by hewing strictly to lines passed down from our predecessors?

I think it’s probably time to retire this organization out of respect for what it once was and no longer could be. The political project has reached its conclusion. We are no more.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

lol the rga founder sold the brand

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

Do you think this is funny?
Where's that from?

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

i'm inferring it's the announcement of the disbanding of RGA from a couple weeks ago

edit i'm wrong, last post on the wordpress was

Important notice
Posted on December 17, 2018
This project has reached its conclusion, we are no more.

Mr. Lobe
Feb 23, 2007

... Dry bones...


i say swears online posted:

lol the rga founder sold the brand

how does that even work??

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014



hahaha

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


going to start selling franchises of Red Guard so everyone can roleplay in their town

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Mr. Lobe posted:

how does that even work??

Merchandising, merchandising! Where the REAL money from da revolution is made!

Graphic
Sep 4, 2018

It's like Lenin said
the leftist internet is getting to the point where an alien observer would think socialism and marxism were primarily concerned with transgender and non binary acceptance. totally with that but like also what about wage slavery.

smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

Graphic posted:

the leftist internet is getting to the point where an alien observer would think socialism and marxism were primarily concerned with transgender and non binary acceptance. totally with that but like also what about wage slavery.

DON'T BE CLASS REDUCTIONIST!!! <:mad:>

but yeah i agree, it's that old problem where people reach some type of understanding and believe they have a perfect handle on the world now, not realizing they still haven't gotten to the root of the issue

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.

Graphic posted:

the leftist internet is getting to the point where an alien observer would think socialism and marxism were primarily concerned with transgender and non binary acceptance. totally with that but like also what about wage slavery.

It's because powerful people oppose the economic stuff but are usually indifferent to woke stuff

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


Graphic posted:

the leftist internet is getting to the point where an alien observer would think socialism and marxism were primarily concerned with transgender and non binary acceptance. totally with that but like also what about wage slavery.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWa0dZMHYeE

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

GunnerJ posted:

Where's that from?

it's a parody post of a long rambling tirade by someone who bought the lettuce dog fb page.

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Merchandising, merchandising! Where the REAL money from da revolution is made!

shut up and tell me where I can buy a shirt already, and don't say teespring, because I want that poo poo locally-sourced!

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Graphic posted:

the leftist internet is getting to the point where an alien observer would think socialism and marxism were primarily concerned with transgender and non binary acceptance. totally with that but like also what about wage slavery.

they're not leftists then. sorry to the trans comrades but the goal is liberation for the working class as a whole

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

im never going to read a word of this. namaste

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

R. Guyovich posted:

it's a parody post of a long rambling tirade by someone who bought the lettuce dog fb page.

i would have never been able to tell that is parody

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

R. Guyovich posted:

it's a parody post of a long rambling tirade by someone who bought the lettuce dog fb page.

socialism in 1945: backed by the best fuckin military in the world
socialism in 2019: lettuce dog parody

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


https://twitter.com/getfiscal/status/1080602170838446085

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GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

Do you think this is funny?
getfiscal, lion in winter.

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