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I mean, it explains why he's suddenly more kill happy and violent instead of actually manipulative.
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Nodosaur posted:I mean, it explains why he's suddenly more kill happy and violent instead of actually manipulative. You’re talking about a guy who stabbed his brother as a prank. Asgardians have a different approach to violence, really.
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Dec 29, 2018 06:55
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either way he took a hard swerve to angry demagogue from an emotional teen who wanted daddy to acknowledge him that didn't feel wholly natural.
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Dec 29, 2018 06:57
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That wasn't violent, that was my brother! A Loki that willfully harms innocents is not quite consistent with his depiction in the other movies, and it certainly won't be consistent with their new streaming series.
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Nodosaur posted:either way he took a hard swerve to angry demagogue from an emotional teen who wanted daddy to acknowledge him that didn't feel wholly natural. I mean...okay, seriously, by the end of Thor Loki was literally trying to destroy an entire realm and commit genocide. Honestly, wanting to rule Earth is a bit of a step back.
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Dec 29, 2018 07:01
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Phylodox posted:I mean...okay, seriously, by the end of Thor Loki was literally trying to destroy an entire realm and commit genocide. Honestly, wanting to rule Earth is a bit of a step back. A realm of monsters that his people had been at war with for centuries, not excusable but not exactly genocidal
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Dec 29, 2018 07:45
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The reason it's a dumb retcon is because nobody cared. It's some JK Rowlinging. Loki went from trying to take over the Earth to his mom dying in Thor 2. I feel like most people kept up with how the character was able to make the change from 1 movie to the next considering the circumstances. I think it's safe to say the character is very popular. So why add mind control? Why completely take all of his responsibility for Avengers away? To please some 1 nerd on Earth who felt there was some character inconsistency? It just rubs me the wrong way. Loki did some bad poo poo. He got several beatings and talking tos. He died trying to do the right thing even understanding the cost. That moment is brilliant without adding "and also some of the bad stuff wasn't his fault." Plus while I like supplementary material, I never enjoy when Word of God tries to alter the events of the media without using anything that actually happened in that media. Like we were given 0 indication that Thanos was doing anything to Loki across several films and 6 years.
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Dec 29, 2018 09:44
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Aquaman was fun, but my favourite part was the secret Uncharted movie right in the middle of it.
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Dec 29, 2018 10:37
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Phylodox posted:You’re talking about a guy who stabbed his brother as a prank. Asgardians have a different approach to violence, really. that snake story is really funny
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Dec 29, 2018 11:32
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I just hope there's an entire episode of Loki based around Get Help.
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Dec 29, 2018 12:13
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Agreed with all of this.Chickenwalker posted:that snake story is really funny I can't tell if I'm reading too much into it to think it's jormungandr reference.
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Dec 29, 2018 12:24
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Chickenwalker posted:that snake story is really funny I can't tell if Loki's smile was acting or Hiddleston breaking down and it makes it even funnier
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Dec 29, 2018 14:48
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So Infinity War question. Groot used his own arm to help finish Stormbreaker but was also snapped away. Also any of his branches can regrow him. Does this mean either a) Stormbreaker has no handle or b) they can just get a new Groot from breaking off a piece of the handle?
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Dec 29, 2018 14:52
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each new Groot is a new being in the movie continuity, so it'd still mean Groot 2 was dead.
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Retro Futurist posted:A realm of monsters that his people had been at war with for centuries, not excusable but not exactly genocidal It’s still genocide, even if you’re at war with them. And they were his people. And he murdered his own father. By the end of the first film, Loki is basically completely demented by his shame, self-loathing, and feelings of betrayal. And he even says to Thor, “I never wanted to be king! I only wanted to be your equal!” Well, if he rules over Midgard that would put them on even footing. Plus it would hurt Thor.
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Phylodox posted:And he even says to Thor, “I never wanted to be king! I only wanted to be your equal!” Well, if he rules over Midgard that would put them on even footing. Plus it would hurt Thor. That's daddy issues(sibling issues?), not ruling issues
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Dec 29, 2018 16:29
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The Avengers kinda had Cap directly compare Loki to Hitler so maybe that was a bit much. I do wonder if time travel shenanigans might bring Loki back in Endgame.
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Wasn't that the old man who stood up to him? That was cheesy as gently caress but I love little moments like these.
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Samuringa posted:Wasn't that the old man who stood up to him? No, the old man just says he won’t kneel to a man like Loki. Loki responds “There are no men like me” and oldie says “There are always men like you.”
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Dec 29, 2018 16:56
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Aquaman is fun. Writing is eh, but the leads had good chemistry and the movie looked amazing.
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Samuringa posted:Wasn't that the old man who stood up to him?
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Agent_grey posted:my favourite part was the secret Uncharted movie right in the middle of it. Same. The set piece in Italy was the highlight of the film for me. It easily has some of the best action in a superhero movie in both execution and creativity.
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Phylodox posted:It’s still genocide, even if you’re at war with them. And they were his people. And he murdered his own father. To be fair, his birth father tried to murder him first. I don't see what the big deal is about this retcon, honestly. The mind stone subtly influencing Loki to exaggerate his worst characteristics is not outside the realm of plausibility. Superboy Prime this ain't.
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Captain Oblivious posted:To be fair, his birth father tried to murder him first. I didn’t say it’s implausible, I said it was unnecessary. Loki had already gone off the deep end of supervillainy by the end of Thor. Nothing he does in The Avengers is really inconsistent with what we’ve seen. It’s only in later movies that he’s able to dial it back down to assholish mischief.
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It's not a big deal, but it also kind of cheapens his quasi redemption and even Thor's continued acceptance of him. Instead some character being shown by both, it's "mind control, my bad" "oh that's ok then".
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Dec 30, 2018 01:41
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I don't think they mean full on mind control there, either. More just a subtle nudging, which we saw it do to everyone on the helicarrier in Avengers (the big argument, not full control like Clint) so it's not that far outside the realm of possibility.
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Retro Futurist posted:it's not that far outside the realm of possibility. Phylodox posted:I didn’t say it’s implausible, I said it was unnecessary.
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And the staff influencing the Avengers wasn’t just some incidental effect. It was deliberate on Loki’s part. It was instrumental to his plan.
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In fairness, the staff retcon at least helps to explain why Thanos would gamble one stone to get a second stone. It makes a certain amount of sense, but the retcon helps make it more sense.
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Especially since, at the time, most of the stones were on Earth, IIRC.
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Enola Gay-For-Pay posted:Especially since, at the time, most of the stones were on Earth, IIRC. Kinda. Time and Space were on Earth, Power and Soul were off in space, and Thanos had the Mind Stone. Reality wasn't really anywhere at that point, and while I suspect the way it appeared meant it could have popped up in a lot of different places it was found on Earth. Have they ever talked about how Thanos got the Mind Stone in the first place?
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If, for some reason, you wanted to experience Into The Spider-Verse without all that pesky animation, Sony put the whole script online.
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I saw Aquaman. It's a movie that tries to be everything at once, and somehow it succeeds?
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Spider-Verse: Often I find it hard to get into a movie's music without seeing it in the movie but this Spider-verse soundtrack is just loving awesome.
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Spider-verse script now available: https://twitter.com/rodneyrothman/status/1079057234959556608?s=21
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Something I haven't seen anyone mention of Aquaman yet is how mythologically-adept it is. Far moreso than Thor or Wonder Woman. Not exactly in terms of specific details, but in terms of theme and inspiration. Right off the bat the Tom Curry/Atlanna romance evokes the animal bride global folklore motif where some rando mortal man encounters and falls in love with a supernatural woman -- sometimes a swan maiden or a selkie, or any combo of shapechanging yokai like a fox or crane or even snake, or even a celestial maiden -- and she bears him a child but ultimately, in all variations, ends up having to leave him to return to her supernatural world. I mean, the motif is right there in the Aquaman source material (and just goes to show how comic books are, broadly, modern mythological canon), but it's usually not given a great deal of focus (in the entirety of post-Crisis, Arthur isn't even Tom's biological son). This movie, on the other hand, really stresses the Curry family relationship, and so the mythological inspiration is made clearer for it. People will probably look at Mera's design and think "mermaid" and "Ariel," which is understandable, but she actually evokes a Nereid nymph -- literally being the daughter of King Nereus, who is the father of all Nereids in mythology -- and specifically Nereus' daughter Amphitrite, who marries the next ruler of the seas, Poseidon, who was in fact not a native sea god but actually came from the land and was more known, in antiquity, as a horse god. And even then, Arthur's own thematic design has less to do with Poseidon and more to do with his and Amphitrite's son Triton, who's depicted as a rough-bearded merman who rides around on seahorses and calls other sea creatures to his retinue with his shell conch. Again, the thematic connections had always been there with this character, but is especially pronounced in this depiction of Aquaman as Jason Momoa: a wilder, more feral oceanic entity instead of the clean-cut Arthurian king. By contrast, Orm actually looks and acts more like how the silver age Aquaman might appear onscreen. And none of that is even touching on the actual Arthurian motifs of the story which get pretty hogwild as well.
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So, for whatever reason, I watched part of Justice League the other night and... Aquaman just straight up ignores most of what happens there, yeah?
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Soonmot posted:So, for whatever reason, I watched part of Justice League the other night and... Aquaman just straight up ignores most of what happens there, yeah? How so? They don't generally seem to really have any story connections so there's nothing to really ignore
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Wouldn't the multiple attempted alien invasions that the humans (and superman) stopped kinda put a dent in Water-Loki's arguments against the surface world.
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I don't think he watches much CNN
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