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I’ve been a movie guy and not a show guy, so the marvel movies brought me to the marvel Netflix shows. I finally started watching non-marvel shows and now realize I’ve been way too forgiving of this garbage. I don’t regret watching Punisher season one but I think I regret watching the rest of them. Shout out to Altered Carbon.
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You're going to rag on the rest of the Netflix Marvel shows, and then give a pass to the space-hippie hackers living in a commune?
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Jan 2, 2019 09:28
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dichen lachman tho
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Jan 2, 2019 09:32
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Andrigaar posted:You're going to rag on the rest of the Netflix Marvel shows, and then give a pass to the space-hippie hackers living in a commune? Yes, that is exactly what Altered Carbon is about.
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Jan 2, 2019 12:27
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That's so specific then, what show are they thinking of?
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Jan 2, 2019 12:52
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The total botch job of refactoring the Envoys from a supra-governmental strike force of planet-hopping combat hard men (or their brain patterns anyrate) that are feared across settled space to some one-planet robin hoods was definitely a low point in the Altered Carbon tv show.
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Jan 2, 2019 13:13
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NoneMoreNegative posted:The total botch job of refactoring the Envoys from a supra-governmental strike force of planet-hopping combat hard men (or their brain patterns anyrate) that are feared across settled space to some one-planet robin hoods was definitely a low point in the Altered Carbon tv show. I wondered what all the book people were upset about so I read the book after I watched the show, and honestly, the book wasn't all that good. It's a collection of decent sci-fi ideas with acceptable writing; the TV show is pretty similar in quality and the changes they made to make it more intelligible for TV didn't seem to be that big a deal. Like, the envoy change would have been a big deal if the space government was actually directly involved in the plot, but even in the books it was just a piece of background to explain why Kovacs could "manipulate" and "analyze" people with his "weapon" of a consciousness and body hop, but he never really did much of that in the book anyway. Both the book and Netflix show for Altered Carbon are just okay, and the changes seemed appropriate, or at least unremarkable, given that change in format.
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Jan 2, 2019 13:36
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Altered Carbon was very fun to watch and the thread was like 15% show discussions and 85% literally just two goons going back and forth about whether it was body swapping, cloning, or both for no exaggeration over 100 pages. Their bickering rendered the thread basically unusable except as nerd toilet paper and it was amazing.
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Jan 2, 2019 13:43
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The Altered Carbon books are basically a modern spin on Dashiell Hammett's detective novels, then just drowned in a footnotes vision of cyberpunk. The author's really open about that, though it's entirely subjective if that works for you. Also all three books have a really similar structure... so having 2+ seasons for the next two books might require a fuckton of reworking to survive. Kickass violence and hot half-naked cast members across the board or not, I will never stop cringing at the hippie commune.
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Jan 2, 2019 14:37
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Bust Rodd posted:Altered Carbon was very fun to watch and the thread was like 15% show discussions and 85% literally just two goons going back and forth about whether it was body swapping, cloning, or both for no exaggeration over 100 pages. Their bickering rendered the thread basically unusable except as nerd toilet paper and it was amazing. TVIV in a nutshell
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Jan 2, 2019 14:40
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Also Netflix Marvel was mostly terrible and I'm mostly glad it's dead, but Jon Bernthal was born to play the Punisher and losing him after two seasons is gonna be a crime
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Jan 2, 2019 14:41
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Bust Rodd posted:Altered Carbon was very fun to watch and the thread was like 15% show discussions and 85% literally just two goons going back and forth about whether it was body swapping, cloning, or both for no exaggeration over 100 pages. Their bickering rendered the thread basically unusable except as nerd toilet paper and it was amazing. I wonder if season 2's thread will be as much of a trash fire as that was.
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Jan 2, 2019 14:45
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Soothing Vapors posted:Also Netflix Marvel was mostly terrible and I'm mostly glad it's dead, but Jon Bernthal was born to play the Punisher and losing him after two seasons is gonna be a crime Yeah, the Punisher and Kingpin were excellent, the rest of Netflix Marvel was a decent stopgap if you were desperate for more Marvel stuff.
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Jan 2, 2019 14:46
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Daredevil S1/S3 is better than all the non-Iron Man 1//nto the Spider-verse Marvel movies. it told better stories with characters i got to know, who don't seem extremely paper thin.
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Jan 2, 2019 16:11
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Here's my hot take: both the netflix shows and movies are quite good, with a few glaring exceptions. Conversely, all the DC shows and movies are very bad, with no exceptions.
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Jan 2, 2019 16:57
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Is it a hot take if most of the world actually likes most superhero stuff?
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Invalid Validation posted:Is it a hot take if most of the world actually likes most superhero stuff? It's a hot take in the wretched wasteland of bad taste that is SA.
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Jan 2, 2019 17:00
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pnumoman posted:Yeah, the Punisher and Kingpin were excellent, the rest of Netflix Marvel was a decent stopgap if you were desperate for more Marvel stuff. Daredevil S1 was amazing as pretty much the first of its kind. Jessica Jones S1 was also a really good season of TV with some great actors, even if it might have wrapped itself up in 2-3 fewer episodes. The rest of them I wouldn't call "mostly terrible" besides Iron Fist - the production values and cinematography were always really good and seemed a cut above the CW-style Arrowverse shows, and acting was typically better even though the plotting was often weaker. I think it was a pretty good run on the whole, even if the shows tended toward mediocre rather than really good. Occasionally they produced genuinely good stuff, and there was always the feeling that they could be great if they'd just hire a better showrunner or action coordinator and weren't always chained to the 13-episode seasons. From what I've heard so far about the Disney shows, I'd rather give the Daredevil/Punisher guys another try at making good TV. Hell, even Iron Fist season 2 showed some glimmerings.
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Lurdiak posted:It's a hot take in the wretched wasteland of bad taste that is SA. Fair enough
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Jan 2, 2019 17:12
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John Pilgrim sounds like he would make a better Daredevil villain.
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Phenotype posted:Daredevil S1 was amazing as pretty much the first of its kind. Jessica Jones S1 was also a really good season of TV with some great actors, even if it might have wrapped itself up in 2-3 fewer episodes. The rest of them I wouldn't call "mostly terrible" besides Iron Fist - the production values and cinematography were always really good and seemed a cut above the CW-style Arrowverse shows, and acting was typically better even though the plotting was often weaker. I think it was a pretty good run on the whole, even if the shows tended toward mediocre rather than really good. Occasionally they produced genuinely good stuff, and there was always the feeling that they could be great if they'd just hire a better showrunner or action coordinator and weren't always chained to the 13-episode seasons. Yeah, there's a little hyperbole on my part. Netflix Marvel wasn't bad overall or anything tbh, with the exception of Iron Fist. It's just the highs were so good, the rest of the stuff seemed so lacking in comparison. First half of Luke Cage was so good I got immensely let down by the second half. JJ season 1 I had a blast with. But after Iron Fist let me down so hard, I kinda half-heartedly followed the other shows, with the exception of Punisher.
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Lurdiak posted:Here's my hot take: both the netflix shows and movies are quite good, with a few glaring exceptions. Conversely, all the DC shows and movies are very bad, with no exceptions. I think I'll say DCEU since they weren't always this incompetent and have several decent Batman movies and a few good Superman movies. But if you're talking post Man of Steel you are 100% correct. I still can't believe Agents of Shield got a double-season renewal though I am also very glad about that. It's quality level got much better over time.
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pnumoman posted:Yeah, there's a little hyperbole on my part. Netflix Marvel wasn't bad overall or anything tbh, with the exception of Iron Fist. It's just the highs were so good, the rest of the stuff seemed so lacking in comparison. First half of Luke Cage was so good I got immensely let down by the second half. JJ season 1 I had a blast with. But after Iron Fist let me down so hard, I kinda half-heartedly followed the other shows, with the exception of Punisher. Season 2 of Daredevil is one where the highs (episodes 1-4) made the rest (anytime after that) feel so much worse by comparison even if it was pretty decent.
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agents of shield was pretty middling until "turn, turn, turn" hit and then it got pretty good
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Serf posted:agents of shield was pretty middling until "turn, turn, turn" hit and then it got pretty good By editorial mandate, yes.
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Jan 2, 2019 23:09
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Lurdiak posted:Here's my hot take: both the netflix shows and movies are quite good, with a few glaring exceptions. Conversely, all the DC shows and movies are very bad, with no exceptions.
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Jan 2, 2019 23:34
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Black Lightning owns bones. It's a serious family drama that's unashamedly comic booky. Creepy twins, assassins with lasers, an albino dude called Whale who reads Moby Dick and kills people with a harpoon.
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Jan 2, 2019 23:39
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Lurdiak posted:Here's my hot take: both the netflix shows and movies are quite good, with a few glaring exceptions. Conversely, all the DC shows and movies are very bad, with no exceptions. Legends of Tomorrow is mankind's greatest achievement, you philistine
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Fuuuck I really need to watch Black Lightning.
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esperterra posted:I wonder if season 2's thread will be as much of a trash fire as that was. Sounds like they won't be following the books at all, so that should kill 90% of the complaints which were "But in the books..." Soothing Vapors posted:Legends of Tomorrow is mankind's greatest achievement, you philistine moths posted:Fuuuck I really need to watch Black Lightning. I want this crossover except Jefferson is instantly sick of their poo poo.
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Sounds like they won't be following the books at all, so that should kill 90% of the complaints which were "But in the books..." A lot of the “in the books” complaints were because when they deviated from the books, they always did it in ways that were stupid cliches or just really dumb and bad.
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https://twitter.com/ThePunisher/status/1080841307973607424 Was expecting Jigsaw to look a lot more messed up
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RareAcumen posted:I still think DC's animated stuff is pretty good. I always thought DC were always their strongest with their TV shows, animated or otherwise, compared to their movies. DC's movie output is very poor quality taken as a whole. Contrast with Marvel, were its the opposite between the quality of their movies vs shows.
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moths posted:John Pilgrim sounds like he would make a better Daredevil villain. Naw, he’s perfect for Punisher. It sounds like he’s a version of Gavin McInnes and the Proud Boys many of whom fancy themselves at the Punisher in real life. There’s been more than a few good stories of Frank ‘inspiring’ other psychopaths but applying their own warped views of who needs punishing.
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Davros1 posted:https://twitter.com/ThePunisher/status/1080841307973607424 I think they learned the lesson from the 2008 movie’s jigsaw, where if the face is too jacked up you lose a lot of the actor’s ability to emote.
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Naw, he’s perfect for Punisher. It sounds like he’s a version of Gavin McInnes and the Proud Boys many of whom fancy themselves at the Punisher in real life. There’s been more than a few good stories of Frank ‘inspiring’ other psychopaths but applying their own warped views of who needs punishing. Season one had a bit of this with the domestic terrorist guy.
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I don't think we've seen the new breed of young, relatively affluent shithead reactionaries explored in popular fiction other than, what, that SVU episode about incels? Lord knows we've had enough triggered millennial snowflake SJW characters screeching about microsggressions to last a lifetime, even from liberal shows.
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Dr Christmas posted:I don't think we've seen the new breed of young, relatively affluent shithead reactionaries explored in popular fiction other than, what, that SVU episode about incels? I dunno, there's been a handful. Wynonna Earp's second season did one. I figure Viserys Targaryen counts too, though obviously the character pre-empts the current form of the creep. Though not an awful lot, yeah.
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Dr Christmas posted:I don't think we've seen the new breed of young, relatively affluent shithead reactionaries explored in popular fiction other than, what, that SVU episode about incels? Lord knows we've had enough triggered millennial snowflake SJW characters screeching about microsggressions to last a lifetime, even from liberal shows. I’d love for their to be a trans-vegan eco-terrorist, like if Poison Ivy became an Instagram thot
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