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A SOF Marine
May 29, 2013
Barney Gumble: Maybe your standards are too high!

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Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

As Nero Danced posted:

You probably don't know but just in case, does this go for officers as well or just enlisted?

The basic recruitment standards and waiver policies are the same for everybody, iirc. The competitiveness of the program you're trying to get (ROTC scholarship, OTS...) will probably be a factor in whether or not they bother with the waiver process, though.

Milo and POTUS posted:

Tats disqualify you?


Wouldn't a non-insignificant amount of people not be diagnosed with add/adhd until later anyway? Why age 10? I have so many questions

Here's the details: https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/1045846/af-evolves-policies-to-access-more-talent-maintain-high-standards/

Tiny Timbs fucked around with this message at 01:57 on Jan 3, 2019

Knives Amilli
Sep 26, 2014

As Nero Danced posted:

You probably don't know but just in case, does this go for officers as well or just enlisted?

I just finished OTS in November and the consensus was that there was a huge push for Rated, Cyber, Intel and Aerospace Engineers. OTS is backlogged all to hell, classes are getting more massive and the acceptance rate on AD officer boards was higher in the past few years than before.



Milo and POTUS posted:

Tats disqualify you?


Wouldn't a non-insignificant amount of people not be diagnosed with add/adhd until later anyway? Why age 10? I have so many questions

https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/1045846/af-evolves-policies-to-access-more-talent-maintain-high-standards/

My bad apparently its:

For other branches, Asthma at any age after 13 is un-waiverable. For the AF, if you have a "ambiguous or vague history of asthma" and can pass a "methacholine challenge test" then you can be waived in.

For ADHD: "ADHD: Candidates who do not meet the standard of never having taken more than a single daily dosage of medication or not having been prescribed medication for their condition for more than 24 cumulative months after the age of 14 will be processed for a waiver if they have demonstrated at least 15 months of performance stability (academic or vocational) off medication immediately preceding enlistment or enrollment and they continue to meet remaining criteria as outlined in Defense Department Instruction 6130.03."

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


I got waived for ADHD back in 2008. Of course that was the Iraq surge. Good test scores and no criminal record helped.

Dickeye from CineD joined about the same time, lied about it and got kicked out. Mentioning it several years later would still make him flip out.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

As Nero Danced posted:

You probably don't know but just in case, does this go for officers as well or just enlisted?

With officers the problem is retention, not recruitment.

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

Milo and POTUS posted:

Tats disqualify you?


Last year the policy changed:

quote:

Beginning Feb. 1, the Air Force will no longer enforce its 25 percent tattoo rule, the service announced Tuesday.

Airmen were previously not allowed to have tattoos on the chest, back, arms and legs that were larger than 25 percent of the exposed body part. Now, they could have full tattoo sleeves on their arms or large back pieces if they so choose.

Tattoos, body markings or brands on the head, neck, face, tongue, lips and/or scalp are still prohibited, according to an Air Force news release. Tattoos on the hands will be limited to one single-band ring tattoo, on one finger. Airmen who already have hand tattoos that were already authorized will be grandfathered in, according to the release.

The changes result from a tattoo policy review the Air Force began conducting earlier this year.


A review of Air Force field recruiters showed that almost half of contacts, applicants and recruits had tattoos, the release said. One of every five had tattoos that required a review or could be considered disqualifying. By lifting the 25 percent rule, the Air Force opens the population eligible for joining the service.

Tattoos that discriminate or are obscene remain prohibited.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
The same month the Navy changed their tat rules (a year or two ago I think) I saw a gate guard at Fallon with something spelled out on his knuckles.

Victor Vermis
Dec 21, 2004


WOKE UP IN THE DESERT AGAIN

Doc Hawkins posted:

Iirc "Gonzo" meant no plot, and over time, more spitting and choking.

I honestly do not remember where I learned that.

Gonzo journalism = Hunter S. Thompson writes a sports story about Hunter S. Thompson
Gonzo pornography = camera man shoots a porno scene about camera man loving

maffew buildings
Apr 29, 2009

too dumb to be probated; not too dumb to be autobanned
I was told it's up to a two year process for getting to OTS, and that's with being in service/prior from another branch being more competitive but still competing with off the street folks. Long wait list for folks to statistically be predisposed to bailing

maffew buildings
Apr 29, 2009

too dumb to be probated; not too dumb to be autobanned

Godholio posted:

The same month the Navy changed their tat rules (a year or two ago I think) I saw a gate guard at Fallon with something spelled out on his knuckles.

That hand tattoo bullshit was in the Navy before the policy change. Now people can have a 1"x1" neck tattoo to go with it

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

maffew buildings posted:

I was told it's up to a two year process for getting to OTS, and that's with being in service/prior from another branch being more competitive but still competing with off the street folks. Long wait list for folks to statistically be predisposed to bailing

It depends on timing. There are only a couple of selection boards per year, and sometimes they get cancelled. So if you miss the submission deadline, you're stuck waiting a year. After the board, it can take a couple of months for you to get the results. Then you can get a class date anywhere from 30 days out to about 300.

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

Knives Amilli posted:

I just finished OTS in November and the consensus was that there was a huge push for Rated, Cyber, Intel and Aerospace Engineers. OTS is backlogged all to hell, classes are getting more massive and the acceptance rate on AD officer boards was higher in the past few years than before.


https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/1045846/af-evolves-policies-to-access-more-talent-maintain-high-standards/

My bad apparently its:

For other branches, Asthma at any age after 13 is un-waiverable. For the AF, if you have a "ambiguous or vague history of asthma" and can pass a "methacholine challenge test" then you can be waived in.

For ADHD: "ADHD: Candidates who do not meet the standard of never having taken more than a single daily dosage of medication or not having been prescribed medication for their condition for more than 24 cumulative months after the age of 14 will be processed for a waiver if they have demonstrated at least 15 months of performance stability (academic or vocational) off medication immediately preceding enlistment or enrollment and they continue to meet remaining criteria as outlined in Defense Department Instruction 6130.03."

Why not just let them continue taking their meds?

Mustang
Jun 18, 2006

“We don’t really know where this goes — and I’m not sure we really care.”

Similar effect on junior military officers in the Seattle area. The Seattle economy is just vacuuming up hordes of 02's and O3's. I know a lot of officers that have gotten out and they all stayed in the Seattle area.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Milo and POTUS posted:

Why not just let them continue taking their meds?
Because once a crazy always a crazy. Now dysfunctional alcoholics, those are ok so long as they're you're drinking buddy.

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

bone shaking.
soul baking.
So what you're saying is if you need a waiver go enlist in seattle.

Hot Karl Marx
Mar 16, 2009

Politburo regulations about social distancing require to downgrade your Karlmarxing to cold, and sorry about the dnc primaries, please enjoy!
Ugh I'm having a lovely start to 2019, I bit my tongue really bad in my sleep last night and lost somewhere between 500mL to a litre of blood. Took an hour to get it to stop bleeding and it's so swollen I can't even move my tongue without it hurting.

Had to call my dad to come over cause I felt I was going to pass out. Dunno if it was because of all the blood lost or cause of my fear of blood. Then I puked most of the night cause of all the blood I swallowed. This is going to be a lovely year

Viva Miriya
Jan 9, 2007

Mr. Nice! posted:

So what you're saying is if you need a waiver go enlist in seattle.

brb

not caring here
Feb 22, 2012

blazemastah 2 dry 4 u

Hot Karl Marx posted:

Ugh I'm having a lovely start to 2019, I bit my tongue really bad in my sleep last night and lost somewhere between 500mL to a litre of blood. Took an hour to get it to stop bleeding and it's so swollen I can't even move my tongue without it hurting.

Had to call my dad to come over cause I felt I was going to pass out. Dunno if it was because of all the blood lost or cause of my fear of blood. Then I puked most of the night cause of all the blood I swallowed. This is going to be a lovely year

Jesus fuckin Christ are you part crocodile

Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

What the gently caress how is that a thing that can happen

Hot Karl Marx
Mar 16, 2009

Politburo regulations about social distancing require to downgrade your Karlmarxing to cold, and sorry about the dnc primaries, please enjoy!
I don't know. When I woke up I knew I bite it but not that bad. There's a big blood stain on my mattress and everything now. Guess I'm eating soup the next while

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice
Like god drat dude. Yeah I've nipped the tip of my tongue and cursed about hurting myself for a few days but what the gently caress did you do, bring a steak knife to bed and go to town on your tongue for a midnight snack?

Hot Karl Marx
Mar 16, 2009

Politburo regulations about social distancing require to downgrade your Karlmarxing to cold, and sorry about the dnc primaries, please enjoy!
I didn't sleep the 31st at all so maybe I passed out with my tongue hanging out? My mom thought I had a seizure cause that's what happened to her when she had them but there were no signs other than my chomping the gently caress outta my tongue

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

Hot Karl Marx posted:

I don't know. When I woke up I knew I bite it but not that bad. There's a big blood stain on my mattress and everything now. Guess I'm eating soup the next while

Guess we know what you're not eating

Vasudus
May 30, 2003
realistic or not the readiness standards for medication and poo poo are always based off worst case scenario

they don't want people going off their meds, regardless of how likely it is or what the real impact will be

it's being a huge pain in the dick right now because retention is in the toilet but the quotas haven't really dropped

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Well he does talk about nose candy an awful lot...

Hot Karl Marx
Mar 16, 2009

Politburo regulations about social distancing require to downgrade your Karlmarxing to cold, and sorry about the dnc primaries, please enjoy!
I just looked at the cut for the first time since last night and jesus christ it looks bad 😬

Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

Go to the doctor dude; infections in the mouth have fast-track access to the brain.

Also definitely tell women you got the scar eating pussy

Cugel the Clever
Apr 5, 2009
I LOVE AMERICA AND CAPITALISM DESPITE BEING POOR AS FUCK. I WILL NEVER RETIRE BUT HERE'S ANOTHER 200$ FOR UKRAINE, SLAVA

Hot Karl Marx posted:

I just looked at the cut for the first time since last night and jesus christ it looks bad 😬
Get thee to Urgent Care, you silly goon. If you have health insurance and can afford the deductible, it's always better to get things looked at then to let it slide. Schedule an appointment for tomorrow or something.

Icon Of Sin
Dec 26, 2008



Cugel the Clever posted:

Get thee to Urgent Care, you silly goon.

Hot Karl Marx
Mar 16, 2009

Politburo regulations about social distancing require to downgrade your Karlmarxing to cold, and sorry about the dnc primaries, please enjoy!
Health care is free lol. I don't live in a poo poo hole country.

Edit: I'll go tomorrow, I still feel like poo poo. I've been drinking (swishing, I'm not swallowing it) a water/peroxide/salt solution so it shouldn't get too bad yet

Hot Karl Marx fucked around with this message at 03:19 on Jan 3, 2019

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

Vasudus posted:

realistic or not the readiness standards for medication and poo poo are always based off worst case scenario

they don't want people going off their meds, regardless of how likely it is or what the real impact will be

it's being a huge pain in the dick right now because retention is in the toilet but the quotas haven't really dropped

I figured this was the real reason but even so it's not like someone without ritalin is quite in the same boat as someone who can't access their inhaler.


Fallom posted:

Go to the doctor dude; infections in the mouth have fast-track access to the brain.

Also definitely tell women you got the scar eating pussy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfqLYfsVSy8&t=98s

Milo and POTUS fucked around with this message at 03:21 on Jan 3, 2019

my kinda ape
Sep 15, 2008

Everything's gonna be A-OK
Oven Wrangler

Fallom posted:

Go to the doctor dude; infections in the mouth have fast-track access to the brain.

Also definitely tell women you got the scar eating pussy

Vagina dentata!

Vasudus
May 30, 2003

Milo and POTUS posted:

I figured this was the real reason but even so it's not like someone without ritalin is quite in the same boat as someone who can't access their inhaler.

it's actually one of the things i'm involved in, kinda sorta

tryin' to update medical regs from cold war era to post-gwot era

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Were you incredibly high or something?

Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

I played a lot of CoD 4 with a goon who ended up losing his hand after doing heroin and falling asleep on it

Hot Karl Marx
Mar 16, 2009

Politburo regulations about social distancing require to downgrade your Karlmarxing to cold, and sorry about the dnc primaries, please enjoy!
No I was super tired cause I didn't sleep at all the day before. I've been, errrrr, extremely irresponsible the last couple weeks so maybe everything just culminated in this. I've done like 20 grams of shrooms, some acid, and white stuff the past 2 weeks. I should probably stop trying to destroy myself but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

piL
Sep 20, 2007
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Taco Defender

Victor Vermis posted:

Gonzo journalism = Hunter S. Thompson writes a sports story about Hunter S. Thompson
Gonzo pornography = camera man shoots a porno scene about camera man loving

Thank God, I was collecting sources for an overly long post.

Dum Cumpster
Sep 12, 2003

*pozes your neghole*

Fallom posted:

I played a lot of CoD 4 with a goon who ended up losing his hand after doing heroin and falling asleep on it

It was still there it just didn't work anymore iirc. Was always fun when he poo poo talked people he out scored. RIP GPSFacial

maffew buildings
Apr 29, 2009

too dumb to be probated; not too dumb to be autobanned

Hot Karl Marx posted:

No I was super tired cause I didn't sleep at all the day before. I've been, errrrr, extremely irresponsible the last couple weeks so maybe everything just culminated in this. I've done like 20 grams of shrooms, some acid, and white stuff the past 2 weeks. I should probably stop trying to destroy myself but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Hey maybe uh, slow down man

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CMD598
Apr 12, 2013

Aren't most of those places more navy towns anyway?

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