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And fwiw - I think Cowcaster is about on par with the way I do things in this regard - there's a middle ground between never doing anything past the 140 difficulty and being all caught up on 5* magicites. The endgame is several tiers of content deep at this point and I recently finished sub-30 3* magicites for the first time meeting a compromise between using my favorites (Balthier and Agrias were my first full dives) and using broken-rear end guys I've been fortunate enough to get a lot of loot for (Squall and Tidus put in a ton of work for me even if they're nerds). If you decide to come back, or for anyone else who feels like you, one thing that helps is getting one or two really broken, meta lynchpin items (like Elarra's USB) and leaning on that to make up for the fact that you wanna bring Setzer a lot or w/e There's also enough content and weird poo poo going on in the game that if you're bored you can have some fun experimenting. There used to be people whose whole gimmick was soloing hard (not usually the hardest, but tough) fights with characters like Galuf and Golbez who had robust kits with a lot of survivability built into their offense. That kinda thing. Baku fucked around with this message at 20:07 on Jan 3, 2019 |
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No. 1 Apartheid Fan posted:There's also enough content and weird poo poo going on in the game that if you're bored you can have some fun experimenting. There used to be people whose whole gimmick was soloing hard (not usually the hardest, but tough) fights with characters like Galuf and Golbez who had robust kits with a lot of survivability built into their offense. That kinda thing. Afterwards there was another superboss that explicitly removed that status from Galuf, but in return it wasn't nearly so excessive as Bahamut Fury's stupid mountain of health (2.5M) and defense (60K DEF/76K RES + buffs).
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Tin Can Hit Man posted:The Gogos could have been so much fun if they were something more like Tyro. The triple mimic on Gogo VI's USB is actually turning out to be kind of fun. If you have a chain going or another way to cap damage on him, it's like a slightly gimped Ability Double that doesn't cost hones.
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NGDBSS posted:Speaking of Galuf Solos Everything, he can currently clear an extant superboss by abusing oversights in its AI. (I point this out because HGS may be interested in some spite.) Bahamut Fury is scripted to throw out a whole bunch of damage for up to 25 turns in phase 1 before unblockably wrecking the party in phase 2. And then, if you've followed the gimmick in phase 1, your party will respawn and the fight will proceed to phase 3. That said, "unblockably wrecking the party" isn't as unblockable as intended, and after a while in phase 2 Bahamut Fury will actually run out of things to do that can kill the party. So if you bring along the "invulnerable to everything" part of Galuf's toolkit you can ride out the fight for <90 seconds before laughing at the boss. Speaking of, why doesn't the game tell me what Chronicles of the Water Crystal does? It's kinda annoying having to look this up.
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No. 1 Apartheid Fan posted:(like Elarra's USB) Pretty sure I got this recently. Again, I need to go through a ton of stuff, but I suppose I should prioritize that one? What makes it so great?
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Tin Can Hit Man posted:Pretty sure I got this recently. Again, I need to go through a ton of stuff, but I suppose I should prioritize that one? What makes it so great? Regenga is insane (2k heal every couple seconds), instant entry and quickcast.. 2? Basically, you can drop it and then not have to worry about healing for a little so Elarra can toss out some songs for af ew rounds instead of immediately going back to curada spam.
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Jan 3, 2019 20:37
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I believe it's high quick cast 2
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MF_James posted:Regenga is insane (2k heal every couple seconds), instant entry and quickcast.. 2? Basically, you can drop it and then not have to worry about healing for a little so Elarra can toss out some songs for af ew rounds instead of immediately going back to curada spam. Neat. Pretty much been rolling with Ovelia and Y'shtola as my main sources of healing. Could always use more.
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Jan 3, 2019 20:39
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Yeah I use elarra in 99.9% of encounters, the only ones I haven't used her in were when I needed selphie for astra and uhh CT because you can only use elarra in 1/4 parts so I save her for the top! Seriously, she is that good, I also got her BSB so I can even get LS out of her! Diving her is not a waste
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Jan 3, 2019 20:45
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also unlike eiko, who up until i got elarra's usb was my firmly cemented group healer, elarra gets a double cast white from her legend dive, which was nice
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Jan 3, 2019 20:46
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Cowcaster posted:like ff6's gogo is one of my favorite final fantasy characters and i was psyched when he was added but he's just straight up bad and i don't think i've ever used him. meanwhile i haven't played a numbered final fantasy game after 7 (and/or tactics) and tidus has practically never left my brute force team since i dived him and got his ultra soul break. you gotta compromise.
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So my discount realm pulls have been...pretty good. Here's what I ended up with of note after pulling on the 33 pull, all of the 5-mythril realm banners, and about a third of the 15-mythril realm banners: D. Cecil AOSB + BSB Irvine USB Onion Knight Phys USB Rapha USB Squall Fire USB Rem USB Emperor USB + RM Rinoa CSB Gilgamesh CSB Squall Glint Luneth Glint + BSB2 Sephiroth OSB Cid Raines OSB Krile RM Celes RM Rinoa RM Bartz RM Plus some other assorted junk BSBs + RMs. So a lot of those are definitely good stat sticks, but I've got some questions about a few of them: How is Squall's fire USB? He was purely an ice DPS unit last time I played, and getting his Glint with ice boost armor seems nice for that (I've got his BSB2 already also), but can he hold his own as a fire DPS too now? Also, how does Gilgamesh's fire chain compare to Locke's? I had Locke's already, but he was always an awkward fit and it seems like Gilgamesh's samurai access would let him do more damage on a phys fire team, unless Locke has gotten access to some strong stuff since my break. Is Luneth with his Glint, BSB2, and OSB worth diving? How is D. Cecil as a dark user now that I've got his arcane overstrike and BSB? My phys dark team is already pretty stacked (Orlandeau with USB, Shadow with BSB, Garland with Chain), so it's hard to see him taking one of those slots, but maybe I'm underestimating that AOSB.
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I doubt D Cecil would be any use with that team, maybe for 5* holy when it comes out, but not sure, you definitely won't be swapping him in for 3* or 4*. Gilgamesh chain is good, locke is pretty useful if you have his USB but I'd probably run gilgamesh instead provided you have 2 other good physical fire people, locke would probably be fine for 3*/4* magicites since it has the 11 hit opener, but you'd likely want the bigger boost for 5*. I honestly wouldn't waste a dive on luneth with what you have (i have better and have yet to dive him) but I don't know everything you own.
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:How is Squall's fire USB? He was purely an ice DPS unit last time I played, and getting his Glint with ice boost armor seems nice for that (I've got his BSB2 already also), but can he hold his own as a fire DPS too now? Also, how does Gilgamesh's fire chain compare to Locke's? I had Locke's already, but he was always an awkward fit and it seems like Gilgamesh's samurai access would let him do more damage on a phys fire team, unless Locke has gotten access to some strong stuff since my break. quote:Is Luneth with his Glint, BSB2, and OSB worth diving? quote:How is D. Cecil as a dark user now that I've got his arcane overstrike and BSB? My phys dark team is already pretty stacked (Orlandeau with USB, Shadow with BSB, Garland with Chain), so it's hard to see him taking one of those slots, but maybe I'm underestimating that AOSB.
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Squall USB is good, and his legend dive is spellblade focused, not ice, so no problems on that front. If there's any problem with it, its just that physical fire is a stacked pool, and I think he compares well even then - its enfire, a chase, and scaling cast speed/crit boost as you spellblade. Very good.
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:How is D. Cecil as a dark user now that I've got his arcane overstrike and BSB? My phys dark team is already pretty stacked (Orlandeau with USB, Shadow with BSB, Garland with Chain), so it's hard to see him taking one of those slots, but maybe I'm underestimating that AOSB. I really only have D.Cecil ASB and I use him in my Siren run. He can use Heavy abilities, and the ASB helps during the final Curaja phase since soul breaks don't trigger the counter.
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Tin Can Hit Man posted:Pretty sure I got this recently. Again, I need to go through a ton of stuff, but I suppose I should prioritize that one? What makes it so great? People covered this but to reiterate: USB Elarra is a one-stop shop for high-level healing. Regenga makes its group healing throughput unparalleled, group quickcast is obviously a massive boon both offensively and defensively, and to top it all off she has a good record dive. There's really no reason to ever bring another healer anywhere, unless you absolutely need last stand or something for a gimmick and can't get it anywhere else on your team or something.
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No. 1 Apartheid Fan posted:People covered this but to reiterate: USB Elarra is a one-stop shop for high-level healing. Regenga makes its group healing throughput unparalleled, group quickcast is obviously a massive boon both offensively and defensively, and to top it all off she has a good record dive. There's really no reason to ever bring another healer anywhere, unless you absolutely need last stand or something for a gimmick and can't get it anywhere else on your team or something. And dont forget that elarras bsb also has last stand as if you dont need her to be even more overpowered
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Is it worth doing half dives on characters that I have some really good relics for but have kinda lovely RM2s? Like I've got Gabranth's CSB and getting an extra 19% damage from a half dive seems really good, but his RM2 looks pretty much worthless. Or is that a waste of motes?
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No. 1 Apartheid Fan posted:People covered this but to reiterate: USB Elarra is a one-stop shop for high-level healing. Regenga makes its group healing throughput unparalleled, group quickcast is obviously a massive boon both offensively and defensively, and to top it all off she has a good record dive. There's really no reason to ever bring another healer anywhere, unless you absolutely need last stand or something for a gimmick and can't get it anywhere else on your team or something. two healers can be great too. I've used Elarra USB + Ovelia USB for a bunch of stuff
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I still use Penelo vs Ixion, and Rosa whenever I want to cheese a dumb ubernuke mechanic Other than that, Elongated Edrich Elarra is the healer among healers and is pretty much second to none.
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How are we feeling about Elarra's USB2? I uh, thought the fest banner with her USB2 on it was actually her USB1 and ended up with this. Yeah...
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DeadButDelicious posted:How are we feeling about Elarra's USB2? I uh, thought the fest banner with her USB2 on it was actually her USB1 and ended up with this. Yeah... It's good, obviously leans towards physical teams, but has a use; I'd still prefer her USB1 overall due to regenga and QC
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So, these are the Healing things I have. What's the best one? Ace SSB1 Aerith BSB1 Arc SSB2 Echo BSB1 Larsa SSB1 Ovelia BSB2 Ovelia USB1 Porom SSB1 Relm USB1 Rosa BSB1 Rosa SSB1 Sarah BSB1 Sephie BSB2 Yuna BSB2 Currently, I'm using Arc SSB2.
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In a vacuum, Relm, but Arc SSB2 is good because of physical blink for sure, others I'm less familiar with since I generally roll USBs and wasn't around for the BSB era, but MF_James fucked around with this message at 01:05 on Jan 4, 2019 |
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Kheldarn posted:So, these are the Healing things I have. What's the best one? Relm USB. Edit: wait Ovelia USB is good too. I love Last Stand. Electric Phantasm fucked around with this message at 01:03 on Jan 4, 2019 |
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Woop, finally beat Hades, which was the only 4* magicite I'd left undone. Turns out that getting OK's pUSB, a good piece of enholy armor, and Iris' BSB make all the difference. So how much are these 5* magicites going to push my poo poo in if I was capable of sub-30s on about half of the 4*s?
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No. 1 Apartheid Fan posted:People covered this but to reiterate: USB Elarra is a one-stop shop for high-level healing. Regenga makes its group healing throughput unparalleled, group quickcast is obviously a massive boon both offensively and defensively, and to top it all off she has a good record dive. There's really no reason to ever bring another healer anywhere, unless you absolutely need last stand or something for a gimmick and can't get it anywhere else on your team or something. Sometimes I run Deuce with just her BSB and 4 DPS dudes. Having your statbuffs on your healer saves a slot!  Agreed that it's mostly niche cases that would see a slot taken by anyone but Girl Tyro now that I've got her USB.
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Kheldarn posted:So, these are the Healing things I have. What's the best one? Relm USB by a mile. Ovelia USB runner up.
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:Woop, finally beat Hades, which was the only 4* magicite I'd left undone. Turns out that getting OK's pUSB, a good piece of enholy armor, and Iris' BSB make all the difference. I've sub 30'd all the 4* magicites and I can't even take a single 5* to half hp before getting wiped. I have no idea how anyone does these.
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MF_James posted:In a vacuum, Relm, but Arc SSB2 is good because of physical blink for sure, others I'm less familiar with since I generally roll USBs and wasn't around for the BSB era, but Relm and Ovelia have identical dives.  Relm's USB is party-wide Instant Cast and a 30% bubble, whereas Ovelia's is +100% Res and Last Stand. They both fill different niches but most people subscribe to the thought that the best defense is a good offense, and Relm's speed tech enables that a little better than Ovelia's. They're both top shelf, though. Kheldarn posted:So, these are the Healing things I have. What's the best one? As far as best overall single healing SB, it's between those two SBs above, but if you're short on White Magic hones and want to fall back on burst commands, Sarah is probably are your ace there. Ovelia would be okay with her BSB2, but she makes the cardinal sin of having a non-instant single target heal, which can be awkward as hell. Generally, I'd start with Sarah until you get a decent levelled Curaja/Ultra Cure, then move on to Ovelia, and progress to Relm once you're set with a fully honed stack of Ultra Cure or Curada.
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KataraniSword posted:Generally, I'd start with Sarah until you get a decent levelled Curaja/Ultra Cure, then move on to Ovelia, and progress to Relm once you're set with a fully honed stack of Ultra Cure or Curada. I have Ultra Cure, Curada, and Curaise. I've barely honed any skills at all, so I should have a nice stockpile of materials to do that. What rank should I get them up to? Or should I max them out if I have the materials?
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Kheldarn posted:I have Ultra Cure, Curada, and Curaise. I've barely honed any skills at all, so I should have a nice stockpile of materials to do that. What rank should I get them up to? Or should I max them out if I have the materials? Rank 3 or 4 of Curada should get you pretty far. I think mine's at 4 and it's extremely rare that I would use all those hones.
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Yeah, a Rank 4 of Curada will basically last you all the way through to at least 4* magicite. Needing multiple stacks and/or R5s generally only comes up in the absolute highest end of content when you don't have the killing power to blitz down enemies and have to take it endurance-style instead. poo poo like Transcendent bosses, D350 MOs, 5* Magicite, D??? Torments. That sort of thing. So if you've got Curada at R4 you're basically set for 95% of the game content.
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saltylopez posted:Rank 3 or 4 of Curada should get you pretty far. I think mine's at 4 and it's extremely rare that I would use all those hones. Crap. I was wrong. I have the materials for Curada, but not the Record. I do have Curaja, though, along with Utral Cure and Curaise.
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My realm parade luck continues, snagged Meliadoul's USB and BSB off the Tactics banner. Though I'm not sure if it's actually good? Imperil seems nice, but the breakdown aspect is pretty useless for magicites and it doesn't come with an empower or any kind of chase. At the very least, it's + earth armor, which is definitely welcome. I guess I've basically got an earth-flavored Vaan now, however often that ends up being relevant.
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:My realm parade luck continues, snagged Meliadoul's USB and BSB off the Tactics banner. Though I'm not sure if it's actually good? Imperil seems nice, but the breakdown aspect is pretty useless for magicites and it doesn't come with an empower or any kind of chase. At the very least, it's + earth armor, which is definitely welcome. The imperil and breakdown alone aren't worth a spot on a Magicite team, but together she can probably do some solid work against Quetz and DEFINITELY against Ixion. She'll also do okay against the torment, and CMs/Crystal Towers.
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:My realm parade luck continues, snagged Meliadoul's USB and BSB off the Tactics banner. Though I'm not sure if it's actually good? Imperil seems nice, but the breakdown aspect is pretty useless for magicites and it doesn't come with an empower or any kind of chase. At the very least, it's + earth armor, which is definitely welcome. Mel USB got me my Quetz clear. On 5* magicite, the debuff is 10.8% less magic damage taken, 14% less piercing magic damage taken, and 8.5% more physical damage done, which is not exactly useless. Break abilities are pretty bad by themselves, since they take up an ability slot, but this one comes along with decent damage and an imperil, so in this case it's pretty good. Fister Roboto fucked around with this message at 05:55 on Jan 4, 2019 |
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Thanks guys, I'll definitely give Mel a try in my Ixion run then. She's competing with a ridiculously stacked Bartz and Dorgan with his USB, so it's gonna be close, but I forgot breaks are actually slightly useful on Ixion. Also, I'm slowly chipping away at the first-tier Torment fights, and I'll probably be able to buy at least one or maybe two skills when I'm done with the ones I can actually complete. Are any of them particularly recommended to get right away? If it makes a difference, my toughest Magicite fights at the 4* level were definitely Tiamat and Isgebind, though the latter was more due to the gimmick and all of my good fire stuff being physical. My sub-30 clears were Marilis, Midgardsormir, and Ixion so far, with Kraken and Isgebind getting close.
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