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No joke, we have to purge the poo poo out of CBP and kill off ICE as soon as the dems get back... HAHAHAHAHA!! Oh I can't finish. That outfit will be fash until the end of time.
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:if you're finding yourself arguing that the left can win over poor white republicans using economic self-interest arguments then you need to find a way around this problem: fascism markets itself as socialism for whites only. as soon as you finally convince a red state chud to vote for their economic interests, including strong government programs, the fascists will jump in and say, "i also think the state should take care of real americans like you. my plan gives you even more help bc we don't spend anything on those people." The Republicans are already experimenting with fascism so you might as well counter it with socialism you're certainly not going to win with economic liberalism
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Typo posted:yeah if I come across as too aggressive I do apologize This is not a problem comrade. The only law I respect is the the fist, I expect all people I am engaged with debate in to be hollaring right back at me and calling me an idiot, I refuse to clash with anybody who does not truly embody their convictions
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Epic High Five posted:
what they say they want when you ask them and what they vote for behind the curtain of the ballot box often are very different things.
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Dreddout posted:The Republicans are already experimenting with fascism so you might as well counter it with socialism you're certainly not going to win with economic liberalism no argument here, especially at the grassroots level to build up a credible political infrastructure. i'm just throwing cold water on the notion that a poor white republican who's finally sick of being screwed by team free market would necessarily run to bernie. for people who've already demonstrated they have zero moral attachment to anti-racism, i don't know how you counter the pitch, "more than what that guy promises to you, none of what he promises to brown people" Epic High Five posted:The only law I respect is the the fist i suppose how that law is enforced depends critically on whether you're truckin' or fuckin'
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Burt Sexual posted:I come for the leopards. aw i couldnt find a leopard version of this show https://youtu.be/EqL_bDP0eAM just imagine it
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Typo posted:rural whites liked third way Democrats because third-way Democrats framed their welfare reforms as punishing the "lazy" and rewarding the "hard-working". The whole point of welfare reform was to link government assistance to work to appease racial resentment on the part of rural whites who saw welfare as rewarding Cadillac driving welfare queens. Rural white America hates the "unvirtuous" poor below them as much as the coastal elites above them. the dumbest poster in cspam
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Jan 4, 2019 04:24
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the wall would also theoretically make their jobs obsolete too...
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predicto posted:what they say they want when you ask them and what they vote for behind the curtain of the ballot box often are very different things. It’s incredibly rare for anything worth a drat to come up for a vote at all because our political system is broken beyond believe, so I’m not sure you can really say this. But progressive referendums did pretty drat good this past cycle, even in states with otherwise lovely politics.
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got any sevens posted:the wall would also theoretically make their jobs obsolete too... I was thinking the same thing. I’d really love to see someone ask Trump if he plans to significantly cut the budgets of border patrol and ICE if his wall gets built, since obviously they won’t be nearly as necessary.
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Jan 4, 2019 04:31
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For that matter, how exactly does an immobile object that can be beaten by a ladder make the country secure? Or a pickaxe? You would still need people to patrol the border, except now there's a bloody big wall blocking their view.
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:the dumbest poster in cspam lol, love the implicit ridiculousism of any cpsam posters being smart
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:the dumbest poster in cspam dont sign ur posts
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big mood yeet gay snatch wig yas queen pokemon go to the polls slay
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Jan 4, 2019 04:52
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i hate rural whites because i've had to spend half my life listening to them talk about how fags will go to hell and they wish they had a chance to help them get there faster to my face, while i try desperately to hide that i, in fact, enjoy the penis immensely
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tl;dr  preferably chuds first or else we'll let the gop get the high score
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rurals want socialism, but only for Their Kind.
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ScrubLeague posted:rurals want socialism, but only for Their Kind. the ideal way to appeal to rural america would be: 1) socially conservative (rural america is pretty religious) 2) government program + "personal responsibility" requirements to filter out the "lazy" (welfare discourages "hard work") 3) THE WALL so basically exactly what Trump would be doing if he wasn't moored to the Paul Ryan type Republicans who would never ever fork over the cash for 2)
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oh yes, i'm sure trump would be showering the country in blessings if not for the republican party.
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Randalor posted:For that matter, how exactly does an immobile object that can be beaten by a ladder make the country secure? Or a pickaxe? You would still need people to patrol the border, except now there's a bloody big wall blocking their view. Good news. It's transparent! Trump is really forward-looking like that.
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:oh yes, i'm sure trump would be showering the country in blessings if not for the republican party. sometimes I miss the guy whose gimmick was entirely embracing being a wall street dem there was at least an ideology there. a diseased ideology destined to die drowning in boiling seawater when the arcology walls failed, but an ideology this halfassed "iunno, they must want whatever trump says they want, I don't loving know" salena zito poo poo is just embarrassing
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PostNouveau posted:Good news. It's transparent! Trump is really forward-looking like that. The Emperor's New Wall
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Kitfox88 posted:i hate rural whites because i've had to spend half my life listening to them talk about how fags will go to hell and they wish they had a chance to help them get there faster to my face, while i try desperately to hide that i, in fact, enjoy the penis immensely ranting about wanting to kill fags is how rural whites cruise for dick. so many missed opportunities...
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:if you're finding yourself arguing that the left can win over poor white republicans using economic self-interest arguments then you need to find a way around this problem: fascism markets itself as socialism for whites only. as soon as you finally convince a red state chud to vote for their economic interests, including strong government programs, the fascists will jump in and say, "i also think the state should take care of real americans like you. my plan gives you even more help bc we don't spend anything on those people." Trying to find the magic mix for successful leftism in american electoralism as it stands is a doomed endeavor. Masters tool, masters house, etc.
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Homeless Friend posted:Trying to find the magic mix for successful leftism in american electoralism as it stands is a doomed endeavor. Masters tool, masters house, etc. I never found the masters tool, master's house etc argument to make much sense metaphorically or otherwise tbh
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:sometimes I miss the guy whose gimmick was entirely embracing being a wall street dem Yeowch!!! My Balls!!!
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Typo posted:I never found the masters tool, master's house etc argument to make much sense metaphorically or otherwise tbh It really doesn't make much sense in the metaphor which makes it much funnier that its true irl. You can't look at polling on policies and actual government policies, comparing the two, and think that voting is a path out of the current situation. It really is that simple imo.
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Homeless Friend posted:It really doesn't make much sense in the metaphor which makes it much funnier that its true irl. You can't look at polling on policies and actual government policies, comparing the two, and think that voting is a path out of the current situation. It really is that simple imo. but it could be argued that even if you think voting doesn't matter in directly impacting policy, obviously someone like Bernie Sanders owed his rise to the 2016 elections even if the end game you are proposing is a Communist revolution, that still gonna be a watershed moment leading up to whatever left-wing revolution you are imagining
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Halloween Jack posted:I hate to rain on this parade, but it's actually a really bad thing that the oligarchy has sucked up all the wealth and left the vast bulk of the country outside of a few major cities to rot and die. Have you looked at the cities? They've left the majority population of the cities to rot as well. Where homelessness booms, most of the apartments are actually empty, but rent keeps going up and up and up and maybe you're lucky you got a dollar raise this year. We think the cities are doing fine cause they show you The Upper West Side, they don't show you East New York
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Typo posted:but it could be argued that even if you think voting doesn't matter in directly impacting policy, obviously someone like Bernie Sanders owed his rise to the 2016 elections I'm not imagining any revolution, just that movements of people are more important than electing any particular representative. (e: tho maybe I am since this seems contradictory  ) Also that there needs to be a serious attacks on the nature of voting in this country if anything is to really change. Not gonna have pro-poor policies when voting is gated by class along with whatever the hell else.
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Typo posted:but it could be argued that even if you think voting doesn't matter in directly impacting policy, obviously someone like Bernie Sanders owed his rise to the 2016 elections only in its failure, which means it’ll be washed away and forgotten as soon as we know the names of those who, enraged by the failure, got it done the hard way
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Homeless Friend posted:I'm not imagining any revolution, just that movements of people are more important than electing any particular representative. Also that there needs to be a serious attacks on the nature of voting in this country if anything is to really change. Not gonna have pro-poor policies when voting is gated by class along with whatever the hell else. I would agree with this point, in the sense that I think on the long run changing public opinion on economics matters more than any given election, but don't you think electing individual representatives serves as a useful rallying point for mass movements? Human beings seem inherently drawn to leaders more than ideas themselves after all, you need human avatars to embody your ideas to move them forward
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EVERYONE SHUT THE gently caress UP and smoke some weed and post those Trump voters realizing that they're going to die under Trump here itt instead
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Jan 4, 2019 08:06
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like the gosh danged thread says!
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Chief McHeath posted:EVERYONE SHUT THE gently caress UP and smoke some weed and post those Trump voters realizing that they're going to die under Trump here itt instead Chief McHeath posted:like the gosh danged thread says!
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It may not be very funny, but I do think there's valid discussion to be had in how you can wake up the working rural poor without having them immediately become Strasserists. It's basically the result of them realizing they're going to die under GOP corporate rule.
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