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HPanda
Sep 5, 2008

Wyvernil posted:

Speaking of the casino (since I just got there), which of the gear available there is worth getting? Is it better to go for it as soon as you can reach the casino, or should I wait for the higher-payout games to unlock? Do those even unlock in the first act?

Also, what's the best strategy for breaking the bank at the casino? I'd been doing the double-or-nothing at poker (the first couple of rolls seem to pay out pretty well), but is there a more efficient way?

I think the gear tends to be like one or two steps above your current stuff when you get there, with the high end stuff being a little further along. Happy hats are great, but those might not be available at first. I think there's a lightning spear which is pretty great? I'm blanking on what's available at the casino at first.

I always just did the highest cost slots, maxed em out, and chilled for a while. You slowly lose money until you hit metal mode, at which point you gain a good amount on average, and eventually you can hit the jackpot. The slots are guaranteed money over a long time without any thought or effort, so determine how well that appeals to you. Slime Quest is lots of pretty lights and flashiness, and is also positive tokens over time, but it takes a loooooot longer to get enough for anything. Poker requires thought and/or save scumming, but is likely the fastest with double or nothing. Later, roulette appears to be regular casino odds, but the game gives you an edge really. This also doesn't need much thought.

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ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth
I think the only thing "worth" getting in the first casino is the two-handed platinum sword. But only if you can get lucky with some max-bet double or nothings.

Some Numbers
Sep 28, 2006

"LET'S GET DOWN TO WORK!!"
The Lightning Spear is definitely ahead of the curve when you can first get it.

LightWarden
Mar 18, 2007

Lander county's safe as heaven,
despite all the strife and boilin',
Tin Star,
Oh how she's an icon of the eastern west,
But now the time has come to end our song,
of the Tin Star, the Tin Star!
Generally, the easiest way I found to get ahead is to buy a few hundred tokens, play some low-stakes poker until you build a decent chunk, move to a higher-stakes table until you get a bigger bankroll, then sit there and chill with the slots until you hit the jackpot so you can then loot the place. Double or nothing is the fastest if you're lucky, but the slots generally cheat in your favor.

The casino weapons are basically worth it if you can get it early enough, but falls off the farther into the game you go. End-game casino is just for consumables like full-heals and unique items, all of the other stuff can usually be found elsewhere.

Hyper Inferno
Jun 11, 2015
For the casino, the Platinum Greatsword will remain relevant the longest, with the spear and swords a little shorter.

The best strategy I found is to build up a decent bankroll of coins through Poker Double or Nothing (or slime reels, but that can take a while) , then talk to the girl who tells you about the jackpot. She has two extra lines she can say about winning the jackpot that sometimes appear. One of them is along the lines of "I'm sure it'll be snatched up soon!" and the other much rarer one is "It'll definitely be won by someone soon!" If she says those lines, the jackpot on the slot machines is quite likely to happen, but you do need to commit to like 10-15 minutes of playing on the slot machines for it to finally turn up. You can rest at a campfire/inn if she doesn't say it to try and get her to say it.

Getting those weapons early probably doesn't save you those 10-15 minutes in the end, but it is fun one shotting a ton of stuff for a while.

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

Some Numbers posted:

The Lightning Spear is definitely ahead of the curve when you can first get it.

I thought the Lightning Spear was available pretty quickly after the first casino, maybe as a rare steal or something?

e: Apparently it's a recipe that you can get from the Eerie Eyrie. So yea if you hit the jackpot then you can afford the platinum great sword and you may as well pick up that spear too.

ate shit on live tv fucked around with this message at 08:19 on Jan 3, 2019

pmchem
Jan 22, 2010


Casino when you first get to it has one true strategy:

autohotkey pressing enter overnight on the normal slots.

Bet as much as you can bankroll. 1500 coins is safe for a continuous 10 bet. 4500 for a 30, 15000 for a 90. Poker may be used to quickly get up to the 15k number with manual effort.

You’ll wake up hundreds of thousands coins richer. Worked great. I also sold Mercury Helms (bought with another AHK macro) to convert excess coins to gold.

Elephant Ambush
Nov 13, 2012

...We sholde spenden more time together. What sayest thou?
Nap Ghost

pmchem posted:

Casino when you first get to it has one true strategy:

autohotkey pressing enter overnight on the normal slots.

Bet as much as you can bankroll. 1500 coins is safe for a continuous 10 bet. 4500 for a 30, 15000 for a 90. Poker may be used to quickly get up to the 15k number with manual effort.

You’ll wake up hundreds of thousands coins richer. Worked great. I also sold Mercury Helms (bought with another AHK macro) to convert excess coins to gold.

Can't do this on ps4

Head Hit Keyboard
Oct 9, 2012

It must be fate that has brought us together after all these years.
Platinum Swords also give more charm than anything else Sylvando can equip for a while so that's a good buy too. But yeah your first shot should absolutely be the Platinum Powersword.

pmchem
Jan 22, 2010


Elephant Ambush posted:

Can't do this on ps4

I saw an AHK script where someone was using Steam play to control the ps4

Ccs
Feb 25, 2011


I've been a fan of Dragon Quest for a while, indirectly at first when I played the Dragon Warrior Monsters game as a kid without any idea that it was a spinoff of a larger franchise. Then I put about a hundred hours into DQ9 soon after it came out, and played DQ 5 a few years ago which was great. I was tempted to choose the foul-mouthed character who makes you sleep on inn floors but went with Story Approved Bianca because it felt like the right narrative choice.

I just finished DQ 8 on the 3DS and it was great! Awesome to play Dragon Quest without a top-down perspective, the player feels enmeshed in the world. Great voice acting on the characters too, Yangus is a treasure. I also liked how the game didn't require as much grinding to get characters to level 99 after finding Slime Hill and all the King Metal Slimes. DQ9 made it way too hard to get characters that high up, and I'm more comfortable with games that can be finished in 50 hours vs games that take 100+.

I'm hoping DQ11 gets an english Switch translation because I'd sure like to play it next year (actually I'd prefer the port to 3DS but I don't think the West is getting that.) I'm not a huge fan of how they seem to have merged Toriyama's style with a generic Final Fantasy template. The characters are missing the distinctive cartoony charm of his style that was on full display in DQ8. Case in point the DQ8 hero costume looks absurd on the new DQ11 models. Oh well, can't have cell-shading or a painterly style on everything I guess. Gameplay looks great though and I've heard good things about this Sylvando guy.

Ccs fucked around with this message at 22:43 on Jan 3, 2019

Light Gun Man
Oct 17, 2009

toEjaM iS oN
vaCatioN




Lipstick Apathy
there's a lot of info out there about winning at the second casino, but it all felt like they left something out. hopefully I'm remembering it all now as I type this out.

what worked for me was..
make sure the bunny girl says she's "dang sure" or something. it's like the "someone will win soon" message but longer. if she doesn't, warp back to town, sleep, try again.
bet the max bet on numbers 12 and 14 on roulette, nothing else. 2000 each I think it is?
if you don't get it you should be able to reload the quicksave, but doing it this way got me jackpots almost immediately.

most of this was written in various gamefaqs threads but never all at once.

Light Gun Man fucked around with this message at 00:10 on Jan 4, 2019

corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!
The numbers don't matter dude bet on whatever number

Light Gun Man
Oct 17, 2009

toEjaM iS oN
vaCatioN




Lipstick Apathy
maybe, those worked for me though

LightWarden
Mar 18, 2007

Lander county's safe as heaven,
despite all the strife and boilin',
Tin Star,
Oh how she's an icon of the eastern west,
But now the time has come to end our song,
of the Tin Star, the Tin Star!
For me I just waited until she said that jackpot was imminent, wandered up to the big table, looked for any previous numbers that had been repeating and saw that one of them had shown up three times and then bet on that- won the jackpot the next time. Earlier I had been messing around with the "bet on everything" and "bet on these specific numbers" and that didn't work out, so I don't know if it's just the RNG rolling my way or if you actually have better odds of the jackpot when you're not betting on many things.

Commander Keene
Dec 21, 2016

Faster than the others



corn in the bible posted:

The numbers don't matter dude bet on whatever number
I bet on 12/14 for my first jackpot, and then switched to just betting on all three rows (so I never had to reset; you always break even betting on rows or odds and evens/red and black). So yeah, just bet on whatever.

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

Light Gun Man posted:


bet the max bet on numbers 12 and 14 on roulette, nothing else. 2000 each I think it is?


This part is numerology. You can bet on anything you want. The rest is fine though.

I max bet on the treasure chest and won the jackpot in 3 spins.

Light Gun Man
Oct 17, 2009

toEjaM iS oN
vaCatioN




Lipstick Apathy

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

This part is numerology. You can bet on anything you want. The rest is fine though.

I max bet on the treasure chest and won the jackpot in 3 spins.

I think the max bet is important though, since that seemed to make the difference between actually getting jackpots or not. Again, it's all up in the air without real data mining but yeah Worked on My Machine TM.

victrix
Oct 30, 2007


How long is act 3 roughly?

Commander Keene
Dec 21, 2016

Faster than the others



victrix posted:

How long is act 3 roughly?
I play games fairly slowly, so take this with a grain of salt, but I'm finishing up sidequests and gearing up for the final final boss, and I've spent roughly 30 hours from my end of Act 2 save.

victrix
Oct 30, 2007


... this game is large

Microcline
Jul 27, 2012

victrix posted:

How long is act 3 roughly?

I found each act to be shorter than the last, with my fairly thorough act 3 playthrough taking 10 hours. I'd estimate a split around 30/20/10 overall, with act three taking up to 20 hours depending on how fast and how thorough you're being.

Commander Keene
Dec 21, 2016

Faster than the others



Microcline posted:

I found each act to be shorter than the last, with my fairly thorough act 3 playthrough taking 10 hours. I'd estimate a split around 30/20/10 overall, with act three taking up to 20 hours depending on how fast and how thorough you're being.
This is kind of why I don't really like "how long is X" and think there should be a better way to express the amount of content in X. I spent more like 40-50 hours in Act 1, and a similar amount of time in Act 2. My save at the end of Act 2 is at 92 hours and change. And at the extreme end of the scale, you have a guy on the Gamefaqs boards who reported 120 hours for Act 1 alone.

Wyvernil
Mar 10, 2007

Meddle not in the affairs of dragons... for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

Commander Keene posted:

This is kind of why I don't really like "how long is X" and think there should be a better way to express the amount of content in X. I spent more like 40-50 hours in Act 1, and a similar amount of time in Act 2. My save at the end of Act 2 is at 92 hours and change. And at the extreme end of the scale, you have a guy on the Gamefaqs boards who reported 120 hours for Act 1 alone.

Yeah, I'm 50 hours into the game, and I just got the full party at what I assume is the midpoint of Act 1.

Not sure how to build the new arrivals, though. Spears seem like the best bet for Jade; I'm guessing I can just beeline to Multithrust in the spear tree and pick up Thunder Thrust along the way. Any other good skills to shoot for? From what I hear, Allure doesn't really pick up until you expand the skill trees later in the game.

Not sure about Rab, though. Is going for claws with him worthwhile, or is he better off as a pure caster (like Veronica/Serena)?

Last Celebration
Mar 30, 2010
Jade wrecks poo poo with whatever; I went with Claws but Spears is honestly better since Fisticuffs uses her attack stat and claws have low attack to compensate for the increased crit rate/double attacking normal. Rab is pretty much just gonna be on healing/crowd control and his personal skill tree makes him better at magic anyway, so just stick with staves.

Commander Keene
Dec 21, 2016

Faster than the others



Wyvernil posted:

Yeah, I'm 50 hours into the game, and I just got the full party at what I assume is the midpoint of Act 1.

Not sure how to build the new arrivals, though. Spears seem like the best bet for Jade; I'm guessing I can just beeline to Multithrust in the spear tree and pick up Thunder Thrust along the way. Any other good skills to shoot for? From what I hear, Allure doesn't really pick up until you expand the skill trees later in the game.

Not sure about Rab, though. Is going for claws with him worthwhile, or is he better off as a pure caster (like Veronica/Serena)?
Spears are strong for Jade, but you can also send her down the Fisticuffs tree, because unlike the other "weapon" trees in this game (and previous DQ games' Fisticuffs trees) the attacks learned from it can all be used when equipped with a weapon, and use the weapon's base attack power. You just don't gain any special effects from the weapons.

Rab can go down either tree. If you're expecting him to be a spellcaster in place of Serena and/or Veronica, you might want to focus on his Heavy Wands and Enlightenment trees, and he'll hold up in that regard for a while. Claws make him a bit more of an offensive fighter, and while he won't ever be a heavy hitter, he can do well enough, IMO. He also has an early skill that makes claws restore MP, and unlike Heavy Wands, Claws have some attack power to them, so you get more back when you hit. And Claw attack skills are cheap, which coupled with the MP restoration makes them pretty spammable.

But I'd say just try things out. Respecing costs a pittance. You are never locked into a single build in this game. I've spent less on respecing all of my characters over the course of the game (and I've done it a few times) than I have on upgrading one or two characters' equipment in the last hour or so. I wish I'd personally realized this earlier; don't agonize over how you spend each skill point. Put it wherever the hell you want. If you see a skill that looks fun, take it. If it doesn't work out, it'll cost you almost nothing to get those skill points back.

CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK
Sep 11, 2001



Wyvernil posted:

Yeah, I'm 50 hours into the game, and I just got the full party at what I assume is the midpoint of Act 1.

Not sure how to build the new arrivals, though. Spears seem like the best bet for Jade; I'm guessing I can just beeline to Multithrust in the spear tree and pick up Thunder Thrust along the way. Any other good skills to shoot for? From what I hear, Allure doesn't really pick up until you expand the skill trees later in the game.

Not sure about Rab, though. Is going for claws with him worthwhile, or is he better off as a pure caster (like Veronica/Serena)?

Going pure caster is better for Rab / Veronica / Serena. You can gently caress around with their claw, whip or spear trees but they aren't nearly as good or useful.

But respecs are cheap so go nuts.

Funktor
May 17, 2009

Burnin' down the disco floor...
Fear the wrath of the mighty FUNKTOR!
I just fought Dora-in-Grey and may I just give mad props to the localizers for that pun.

Wyvernil
Mar 10, 2007

Meddle not in the affairs of dragons... for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
Another big difficulty jump once you're out in the open ocean. It only takes a few fights to expend all your MP.

Fortunately, some of those later pep powers get bonkers. Especially the one that just replaces all the enemies with metal slimes. If you manage to land Thunder Thrust on a liquid metal slime, that just gives you a couple of levels right away.

There's also the Hallelujah power that seems like an improved version of Itemized Kill - all the enemies drop their rare items automatically now.

pmchem
Jan 22, 2010


DQ XI, do you have to complete all the crossbow target quests in act 1 in order to get the final reward from the original questgiver? Or can you finish it off in act 2?

RVWinkle
Aug 24, 2004

In relating the circumstances which have led to my confinement within this refuge for the demented, I am aware that my present position will create a natural doubt of the authenticity of my narrative.
Nap Ghost

pmchem posted:

DQ XI, do you have to complete all the crossbow target quests in act 1 in order to get the final reward from the original questgiver? Or can you finish it off in act 2?

Everything can be completed later in act 2 or 3.

Commander Keene
Dec 21, 2016

Faster than the others



RVWinkle posted:

Everything can be completed later in act 2 or 3.
There is one quest I can think of that you can't complete in Act 2; I had to finish it in Act 3.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Funktor posted:

I just fought Dora-in-Grey and may I just give mad props to the localizers for that pun.

There is a lot of funny English content in the game, it was full of pleasant surprises on the text front.

HPanda
Sep 5, 2008

Commander Keene posted:

There is one quest I can think of that you can't complete in Act 2; I had to finish it in Act 3.

I'm pretty sure there are several like this. There's at least one I can think of where the questgiver is...absent for Act 2.

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

LET ME EXPLAIN

Got DQV DS for $15 from my friend :hellyeah:

Commander Keene
Dec 21, 2016

Faster than the others



ROFL Octopus posted:

Got DQV DS for $15 from my friend :hellyeah:
Cool, I had to settle for the Android version, which is... not great in the controls department. Much better than the little bit I played of 1 (in that it's actually playable), but I'd have preferred the DS version.

HPanda posted:

I'm pretty sure there are several like this. There's at least one I can think of where the questgiver is...absent for Act 2.
Yeah, anything involving Heliodor is gone for Act 2, IIRC, and there's at least one quest to kill a monster that I don't think spawns in Act 2.

baram.
Oct 23, 2007

smooth.


i just finished act 2 the other night and had done 47/47 quests by the end, so they should all be possible? i finished all the ones from act 1 before finishing that too though, so maybe that's part of it.

getting into act 3 a bit today and i'm getting my butt kicked, glad the difficulty showed up.

Commander Keene
Dec 21, 2016

Faster than the others



baram. posted:

i just finished act 2 the other night and had done 47/47 quests by the end, so they should all be possible? i finished all the ones from act 1 before finishing that too though, so maybe that's part of it.

getting into act 3 a bit today and i'm getting my butt kicked, glad the difficulty showed up.
Yes, it's quite possible to finish all quests in the act they're found; there are no act-spanning quests that I'm aware of. However, not all of the quests you start in Act 1 can be finished in Act 2, if you didn't finish them in Act 1. They can be finished in Act 3, though, AFAIK, or at least that "intermission" between 2 and 3.

victrix
Oct 30, 2007


Really enjoyed my playthrough but I lost steam in act 3, rip.

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Wyvernil
Mar 10, 2007

Meddle not in the affairs of dragons... for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
Okay, just got into Act 2, and recruited the eighth character. Any build advice for them?

I'm thinking Axes are a good route for them, since I've already got the hero using Greatswords and it would allow the new character to use a shield (which seems to be a big part of their moveset). Any standout moves I should be going for?

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