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I've just found out the Fondationmovie has been cancelled. I'm both saddened and relieved.
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i've never read foundation. i've read and liked asimov but i remember nothing about anything of his i've read outside of what's in pop culture. i should get around to it
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Jan 5, 2019 02:53
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Asimov always felt like somebody who wanted to write academic polemics rather than fiction, and that's what makes his fiction both stiff and intriguing at the same time. And why filming his books would have been a travesty. But I was excited for an Asimov movie nonetheless.
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Jan 5, 2019 03:01
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Leto II was always the effortless genius next to Harry Seldon. “But but but if you look at these calculations and address these footnotes-“ “Chill dude. Take a hit of this poo poo and see the millennia march out to the end of time.”
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Jan 5, 2019 03:24
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Though I guess he also plays the part f stoner down their own rabbit hole, as what are no-ships and the Atreides wild genes but the high tech equivalent of a tinfoil hat against the man (or Android) trying to keep you down?
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Jan 5, 2019 03:28
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steinrokkan posted:Asimov always felt like somebody who wanted to write academic polemics rather than fiction, and that's what makes his fiction both stiff and intriguing at the same time. And why filming his books would have been a travesty. But I was excited for an Asimov movie nonetheless. He also did a bunch of science writing although a lot of it is of course kind of outdated now.
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Jan 5, 2019 03:30
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steinrokkan posted:Asimov always felt like somebody who wanted to write academic polemics rather than fiction, and that's what makes his fiction both stiff and intriguing at the same time. And why filming his books would have been a travesty. But I was excited for an Asimov movie nonetheless. I re-read the Foundation trilogy last year. It does not hold up well at all. The male characters are cardboard, and the women are worse. The prose is stiffer than the cardboard. It's a classic, but not a timeless one.
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Jan 5, 2019 03:45
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It's not limited to Foundation; Caves of Steel, I Robot, etc. - his stuff is always a sort of dialectical conflict beteen the modern man and he future technology, and it doesn't lend much space for human drama.
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Jan 5, 2019 03:49
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I enjoyed the first 5 Foundation books well enough as something to kill time with/listen to on the bus but definitely don't expect much in the way of character work if you go read them, it's mostly just about technology and galactic politics and poo poo.
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Jan 5, 2019 04:21
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They're good sci-fi, but not good literature.
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Jan 5, 2019 05:52
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Asimov has books in every literary category except one,I think. Hell,it might be all. Dude was prolific in writing. Something like 400ish different books.
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Jan 5, 2019 06:16
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Johnny Aztec posted:Asimov has books in every literary category except one,I think. Hell,it might be all. amateur
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Jan 5, 2019 07:57
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mllaneza posted:I re-read the Foundation trilogy last year. It does not hold up well at all. The male characters are cardboard, and the women are worse. The prose is stiffer than the cardboard. There's a teenage girl in the third book that's ok, from memory.
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Jan 5, 2019 08:06
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I can't find anywhere saying, what Brian's educated as. Nothing, I guess?
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Jan 5, 2019 15:46
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THE BAR posted:I can't find anywhere saying, what Brian's educated as. Nothing, I guess? Third stage failson
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Communist Walrus posted:Third stage failson Hardly recognizable as human any more.
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Jan 5, 2019 16:32
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Yay foundation chat, i was a big fan of the foundation series, but i can only imagine a foundation movie would do less justice to the books than the will smith abomination. I wonder what the equivalent would be to the “no” blocking, as psychohistory and presience are both fairly similar (albiet much more granular with presience.)
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Jan 5, 2019 20:29
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Speaking of moribund adaptions of classic sci-fi, has anyone seen an obituary for The Moon is a Harsh Mistress movie yet? Last I heard it was called Uprising and Bryan Singer was linked, but that was a few years ago. I actually had high hopes: seemed like a fairly easy story to adapt, and marketable too since it is basically The American Revolution IIIINN SPAAAAAACE
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Jan 5, 2019 21:17
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exmachina posted:Speaking of moribund adaptions of classic sci-fi, has anyone seen an obituary for The Moon is a Harsh Mistress movie yet? Last I heard it was called Uprising and Bryan Singer was linked, but that was a few years ago. I have been hoping for Clarke’s Earthlight to be made into a movie, although after the Childhood’s End miniseries I’m having second thoughts. Also Fountains of Paradise and Songs of Distant Earth.
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Jan 5, 2019 21:24
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exmachina posted:Speaking of moribund adaptions of classic sci-fi, has anyone seen an obituary for The Moon is a Harsh Mistress movie yet? Last I heard it was called Uprising and Bryan Singer was linked, but that was a few years ago. Only Heinlein thing I knew had been adopted was --All You Zombies-- which got called Predestination and was a pretty okay version of the book.. Considering the last news from the movie was in 2015 and there hasn't been ANY updates since, it's probably been canned - more as the pitty.
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Jan 5, 2019 21:34
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The bene teilax are back on their bullshit: https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1081524227658969088?s=19
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Jan 5, 2019 22:58
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Tnuctip posted:Yay foundation chat, i was a big fan of the foundation series, but i can only imagine a foundation movie would do less justice to the books than the will smith abomination. I’m sorry but I, Robot the hit action film starring Will Smith unironically owns.
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Jan 6, 2019 00:24
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adebisi lives posted:The bene teilax are back on their bullshit: Gahhhhhh that’s so wrong
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Biplane posted:I’m sorry but I, Robot the hit action film starring Will Smith unironically owns. As long as you pretend that Asimov’s name isnt on it, ive seen worse. I guess the moral of the story is that we shpuld be glad hackduneauthor isnt a scientologist.
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Jan 6, 2019 03:45
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mllaneza posted:I re-read the Foundation trilogy last year. It does not hold up well at all. The male characters are cardboard, and the women are worse. The prose is stiffer than the cardboard. I agree, the quality of the writing is meh and the characters are forgettable. But in the foundation trilogy, we see Asimov's genius for inventing impossible situations for his characters, and then inventing a brilliant solution for their survival. Reading the foundation trilogy still colors the way I look at most fiction or TV shows. For Breaking Bad, for example, I thought the Asimovian episodes of tough situation ---> brilliant solution were outstanding. But the character development episodes were lame.
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Jan 6, 2019 03:50
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priznat posted:I have been hoping for Clarke’s Earthlight to be made into a movie, although after the Childhood’s End miniseries I’m having second thoughts. That was sad. At first I was all "Oh, hell yeah, Charles Dance as Karellen!" but then...SyFy. 
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Jan 6, 2019 03:57
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phasmid posted:That was sad. At first I was all "Oh, hell yeah, Charles Dance as Karellen!" but then...SyFy. Yuuuup, it had its moments but overall it was pretty bad.
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Jan 6, 2019 04:02
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I feel like Foundation - at least the original trilogy - is sort of the ideal supplementary reading for Dune. I think it was in this very thread where someone pointed out earlier that Dune is sort of a response to Foundation in some ways. It is both a deliberate inversion - mysticism and religion, not science and technology, dominate the future - and also a sort of subversion/parody. Prescience in general and the Golden Path in particular is arguably another take on Asimov's Psychohistory, albeit coming at it from a metaphysical rather than mathematical perspective, but ultimately the point is not how but rather the what. Foundation is basically 'boy, it sure would be grand if we could predict the future and organize society accordingly' while Dune is basically 'kull wahad, that would be the worst loving thing ever!'
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Tnuctip posted:I wonder what the equivalent would be to the “no” blocking, as psychohistory and presience are both fairly similar (albiet much more granular with presience.) The Mule?
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THE BAR posted:I can't find anywhere saying, what Brian's educated as. Nothing, I guess? Just stumbled on my copy of House Harkonnen while cleaning my apartment and boxing up some books to give to Goodwill. The jacket blurb mentions nothing about Brian's education, just books he's written and two mentions of him being the son of Frank. The blurb about KJA lists that he's written 26 bestsellers, nominated (not won, mind you, just nominated) for 3 awards and --- this is the part that made me run to this thread --- finishes with: quote:He also set the Guinness world record for "Largest Single-Author Book Signing. The lack of closing quote marks is actually how it's printed, not a typo on my part.
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Asimov brought the ideas to the people. His short stories were good, Bradbury too.
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David Bautista in cast, just read. He'd be a good Gurney or Rabban
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The addictive qualities of spice are repeatedly brought up, but do the books ever touch on withdrawal? It seems like it would be a tough point to mention without further exploring in modern context.
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Jan 8, 2019 00:53
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Ratatozsk posted:The addictive qualities of spice are repeatedly brought up, but do the books ever touch on withdrawal? It seems like it would be a tough point to mention without further exploring in modern context. I think you die
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There's something in Chapterhouse when Lucilla is being held captive where she thinks about the symptoms of withdrawal and how her implant is slowly doling out little bits of spice, but that it only lasts a certain amount of time. On my phone or I'd post the text.
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Jan 8, 2019 00:56
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Stopping once you've started taking the spice kills you, so presumably it sucks.
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D. Ebdrup posted:Only Heinlein thing I knew had been adopted was --All You Zombies-- which got called Predestination and was a pretty okay version of the book.. They did Puppet Masters in 1994. So so movie, but an actually really creepy book. I should re-read it to see if it turner terrible too.
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Jan 8, 2019 01:40
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woop posted:David Bautista in cast, just read. He'd be a good Gurney or Rabban I just read he's going to be Rabban. He's gonna bring way more to that role than Paul Smith.
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Phanatic posted:I just read he's going to be Rabban. He's gonna bring way more to that role than Paul Smith. Fuuuuck yes, he’s going to be an amazing Rabban.
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