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Lycus posted:Why the gently caress is Trump saying the shutdown may last for years? The only thing that keeps people working is the likelihood a budget will get soon passed and they'll get backpay. If they think it will last for years, they'll just quit. I'm not sure that he understands that they can quit. He likely thinks government workers are like the military, who face legal action for desertion if they quit.
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DaveWoo posted:https://twitter.com/costareports/status/1081666053955112961 right wing murder squads are real left wing murder squads aren't so there'd be immediate legal action to put a stop to it
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Fulchrum posted:Is it that you can't read, or don't read? "A socialist government will not necessarily use a resource at its disposal, and may take environmental considerations into account" is not the same thing as "A socialist government will never use a resource at its disposal if there are environmental considerations." How are you so bad at this?
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Akumu posted:The negation of always is not never. Meaning no disrespect, it kind of is when we're dealing with a government. A country that will only use a disastrous resource to benefit its people when it is strictly necessary, is a government that is going to find a whole lot of "strictly necessary" reasons to do it. Lycus posted:Why the gently caress is Trump saying the shutdown may last for years? The only thing that keeps people working is the likelihood a budget will get soon passed and they'll get backpay. If they think it will last for years, they'll just quit. I think Trump might not be a smart man.
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Lycus posted:Why the gently caress is Trump saying the shutdown may last for years? The only thing that keeps people working is the likelihood a budget will get soon passed and they'll get backpay. If they think it will last for years, they'll just quit. Only Trump could disband ICE
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so excatly how bad of a sign is this? this is hellworld so probably could go either way
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Fulchrum posted:I think Trump might not be a smart man. 
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Fulchrum posted:Meaning no disrespect, it kind of is when we're dealing with a government. No, no it's not. Governments can and often do exercise discretion when considering whether or not to exploit a natural resource. It's never an all-or-nothing proposition. quote:I think Trump might not be a smart man. Trump is literally smarter than you. I would never say that about somebody if it weren't true.
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Telsa Cola posted:I feel like the Pentagon chief of staff resigning is kinda huge. in and of itself, it's basically Tuesday in the Trump timeline (so, big news in a sane universe) the timing is vaguely worrying
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Jan 6, 2019 01:49
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WHOOOH-OOO-OOO-OOO-OOA, WHOOOOOOOOA IT'S SATURDAY NIGHT
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I can't wait for everyone to get an Emergency Presidential Alert text about a loving wall.
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Majorian posted:"A socialist government will not necessarily use a resource at its disposal, and may take environmental considerations into account" is not the same thing as "A socialist government will never use a resource at its disposal if there are environmental considerations." How are you so bad at this? So you've moved on to arguing that well, they might not exploit things, and there is a chance they might care about the environmental impact. Which you could also apply the exact same "hey, they MIGHT be good this time" argument to unregulated capitalism. Hey, maybe this time, the Kochs will stop polluting. You never know!
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Fulchrum posted:So you've moved on... I haven't moved onto anything. My argument from the beginning is that governments have discretion in using or not exploiting resources at their disposal, based on a myriad of factors. Go back and look at my posts, see for yourself.
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Jan 6, 2019 01:52
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Tayter Swift posted:WHOOOH-OOO-OOO-OOO-OOA, WHOOOOOOOOA IT'S SATURDAY NIGHT i hope he just announces this poo poo tonight. just full on state of emergency text too.
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Jan 6, 2019 01:53
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hi, where do I turn to to talk to -the- Fulchrum about Marxism-Leninism
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i hope he just announces this poo poo tonight. just full on state of emergency text too. I still want him to try to reinstate a draft
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Majorian posted:I haven't moved onto anything. My argument from the beginning is that governments have discretion in using or not exploiting resources at their disposal, based on a myriad of factors. Go back and look at my posts, see for yourself. Okay, so your argument has always been so thoroughly loaded with qualifiers as to be completely and totally meaningless.
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This is GRU checking up on the strength of their Operative Positioning System after Putin had it's head killed recently, I bet.
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Declare a SOE right before the market opens on Monday
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I guranfuckingtee that Trump and his band of miserable idiots still can’t figure out what Emergency Powers even means.
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Jan 6, 2019 01:56
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Liquid Communism posted:I'm not sure that he understands that they can quit. He likely thinks government workers are like the military, who face legal action for desertion if they quit. ...and even in the military, a multi-month shutdown would result in equipment starting to be "lost" every time the troops go on leave and need beer money or a new truck.
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Fulchrum posted:Okay, so your argument has always been so thoroughly loaded with qualifiers as to be completely and totally meaningless. Nope, my argument has been against your absurd suggestion that a socialist government will inevitably use all of the resources at its disposal, regardless of their environmental impact. Why do you keep posting this nonsense, Fulchrum? No one around here is buying it.
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Grey cats tax all and none at the same time: https://i.imgur.com/ftkf1dA.mp4
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I guranfuckingtee that Trump and his band of miserable idiots still can’t figure out what Emergency Powers even means. I got $50 on Trump thinking it will give him superpowers.
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Jan 6, 2019 01:58
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Lycus posted:Why the gently caress is Trump saying the shutdown may last for years? The only thing that keeps people working is the likelihood a budget will get soon passed and they'll get backpay. If they think it will last for years, they'll just quit. I mean, Trump believes (or at least is influenced by people who believe) in "small government", so a bunch of federal government workers quitting is probably a good thing in his eyes. On the flipside, if small-government types start seeing actual dysfunction in their backyards -- food poisoning outbreaks, national parks falling apart, etc, then maybe that will shake them out of their fantasy.
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no one's going to give me a greeting? sheesh! I don't want to do the rude thing of barging into an already-happening argument < >
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Trump is going to declare a National Emergency the exact same way that Michael Scott declared bankruptcy.
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Majorian posted:Nope, my argument has been against your absurd suggestion that a socialist government will inevitably use all of the resources at its disposal, regardless of their environmental impact. It's honestly exhausting to argue with such a stubborn chud. I could make some gin cocktails and maybe some dinner... or I could continue arguing with fulchrum... ... Fulchrum I wish you luck in your defending-the-market quest 
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Liquid Communism posted:I'm not sure that he understands that they can quit. He likely thinks government workers are like the military, who face legal action for desertion if they quit.
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Victory Position posted:no one's going to give me a greeting? sheesh! I don't want to do the rude thing of barging into an already-happening argument < You say goodbye, and I say hello hello hello I don't know why you say goodbye I say hello...
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Victory Position posted:no one's going to give me a greeting? sheesh! I don't want to do the rude thing of barging into an already-happening argument < Welcome and help yourself. He's apparently not going to stop shitposting anytime soon.
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Lead out in cuffs posted:On the flipside, if small-government types start seeing actual dysfunction in their backyards -- food poisoning outbreaks, national parks falling apart, etc, then maybe that will shake them out of their fantasy.
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Majorian posted:Nope, my argument has been against your absurd suggestion that a socialist government will inevitably use all of the resources at its disposal, regardless of their environmental impact. His argument was that a socialist government isn't going to inherently be better than a capitalist government in the realm of leveraging resources. The difference is in who benefits from those resources. And white sauce just assumes anyone who doesn't exactly match his views is all-in on a free-market unregulated capitalist raping of everything. At least that was my read.
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Majorian posted:Nope, my argument has been against your absurd suggestion that a socialist government will inevitably use all of the resources at its disposal, regardless of their environmental impact. Not all, just enough to cause an environmental cataclysm, through ignoring warnings in order to better achieve their objective. Which is the exact same situation you have with unregulated capitalism. Lead out in cuffs posted:I mean, Trump believes (or at least is influenced by people who believe) in "small government", so a bunch of federal government workers quitting is probably a good thing in his eyes. Or they'll still blame it on big government.
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Crows Turn Off posted:Aww, you're adorable. People already overwhelmingly want the government to be reopened.
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ZypherIM posted:His argument was that a socialist government isn't going to inherently be better than a capitalist government in the realm of leveraging resources. The difference is in who benefits from those resources. Yes, this. Thank you very much for that.
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UCS Hellmaker posted:so excatly how bad of a sign is this? this is hellworld so probably could go either way This could be a sign Trump actually plans to declare a military state of emergency, which means that all the sane military personnel and higher ups want to get the gently caress out of the way from the Constitutional Crisis trainwreck that would be coming. It's a lot easier to rejoin the military and salvage your career when on your credentials is "the President wanted me to help give him dictorial emergency powers and I resigned because of it."
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TulliusCicero posted:This could be a sign Trump actually plans to declare a military state of emergency, which means that all the sane military personnel and higher ups want to get the gently caress out of the way from the Constitutional Crisis trainwreck that would be coming. Wouldn't that be better served with some kind of declaration of intent to the media?
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Fulchrum posted:Not all, just enough to cause an environmental cataclysm, through ignoring warnings in order to better achieve their objective. You have no evidence whatsoever that this is an inherent feature of socialism.
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Fulchrum posted:Wouldn't that be better served with some kind of declaration of intent to the media? Yes, but most of our leaders are personal craven cowards
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