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spacetoaster posted:I like it when business's add a "processing fee" for poo poo we're already paying them to do. Remember when Bank of America tried to have a $5 monthly debit card fee, even though they make a ton of money off of debit card usage already?
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pushpins posted:Working in an office loving sucks and I'm there a minumum of 40 hours a week Working in an office for a multi generational wealth family with a gorgeous view of the outside world I didn't get to spend nearly enough time in eventually broke my brain and I got fired and now I work in a bike shop and even though we're like one bad month away from maybe going broke idk if I could do the office job thing again even though you get paid so much more to do so little.
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Grapplejack posted:Remember when Bank of America tried to have a $5 monthly debit card fee, even though they make a ton of money off of debit card usage already? I only kept like 25$ in my savings account because it's a savings account, who cares, but they started doing a 5 dollar a month savings account fee without telling anyone and I finally noticed my savings account had dropped to 5 dollars because they'd been sapping it for 4 months. I cut that leech off right there, went to a FCU and never looked back.
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mycomancy posted:loving lol, $55 USD on wine.com. That loving doof thinks he's real fancy buying that lower-mid priced wine. welcome to the conservative base 
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Platystemon posted:Is this the thread where we had a debate about whether private kitchens are outmoded and decadent? loved to get talked down to about how i'm a capitalist taking advantage of my nonexistent wife's labor because i want to save money by cooking for myself
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VanSandman posted:People don't like to hear they have more in common, income and outlook wise, with the homeless man they pass by on their commute than they do with people like Jeff Bezos. It really upsets them. No this is not true at all. One of the greatest injustices of capitalism and the extreme hoarding of surplus value/wealth is that, beyond a point, having all that extra wealth makes very little or even has a negative impact on a person's happiness, health etc. Giving a 40 year old homeless person $10,000 will potentially change their life for the better, allow them to live an extra 40 years, etc. But giving it to a 40 year old on an average salary will make little difference to their happiness and health after a week or so, when then initial happiness of a big windfall wears off. The threshold for a decent standard of health and happiness is not especially high. That's why it's so hosed up to have a system that keeps so many people below that threshold when there's more than enough resources and wealth for everyone to live above it.
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VanSandman posted:People don't like to hear they have more in common, income and outlook wise, with the homeless man they pass by on their commute than they do with people like Jeff Bezos. It really upsets them. https://youtu.be/kG6O4N3wxf8
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bike tory posted:No this is not true at all. One of the greatest injustices of capitalism and the extreme hoarding of surplus value/wealth is that, beyond a point, having all that extra wealth makes very little or even has a negative impact on a person's happiness, health etc. Giving a 40 year old homeless person $10,000 will potentially change their life for the better, allow them to live an extra 40 years, etc. But giving it to a 40 year old on an average salary will make little difference to their happiness and health after a week or so, when then initial happiness of a big windfall wears off. The median us household makes <60k, and less than 39% of us have the savings to cover a 1k emergency, so nah, we are much closer to the homeless dude and really do fail to realize it. gently caress, in the only real research into eviction we've had in this country the median unpaid rent was sub $700. So yeah 10k is a distressingly transformative sum for way too many of us.
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EvilJoven posted:Working in an office for a multi generational wealth family with a gorgeous view of the outside world I didn't get to spend nearly enough time in eventually broke my brain and I got fired and now I work in a bike shop and even though we're like one bad month away from maybe going broke idk if I could do the office job thing again even though you get paid so much more to do so little. same but tool and die machinist instead of bike shop
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I've earned somewhere in the vicinity of $30-40k for the last few years and I'm way happier than when I was earning $80-90k. Guess I just like having a life outside of craptastic unpaid overtime.
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mycomancy posted:loving lol, $55 USD on wine.com. That loving doof thinks he's real fancy buying that lower-mid priced wine. It's me, I'm the guy who builds a fancy temperature-controlled wine cellar and stocks it with two buck chuck
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Mr. Lobe posted:traditionally they are called the petit-bourgeois lately they call themselves "the aspirational class" https://www.marketwatch.com/story/5-ways-to-tell-if-you-belong-to-the-aspirational-class-2017-06-26
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TIL that Sriracha's inventor doesn't give a gently caress about money. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MICQb4QW448 He's 74 so we'll see if that changes when he retires/dies
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Ornamental Dingbat posted:TIL that Sriracha's inventor doesn't give a gently caress about money. hipsters... good???
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Muscle Wizard posted:loved to get talked down to about how i'm a capitalist taking advantage of my nonexistent wife's labor because i want to save money by cooking for myself real rear end communist here, let me tell you why laboring for yourself is bad actually and how there needs to be a permanent underclass to serve me tendies from the commissary
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American lifestyle is incompatible with a free society, and the people who think they will be able to continue such a lifestyle under UBI suck.
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Grapplejack posted:Remember when Bank of America tried to have a $5 monthly debit card fee, even though they make a ton of money off of debit card usage already? That and they charge fees every time you use an ATM or see a teller led me to dropping them for a local credit union, not that credit unions are a whole lot better.
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steinrokkan posted:American lifestyle is incompatible with a free society, and the people who think they will be able to continue such a lifestyle under UBI suck. one of my favorite professors was a cynical old communist and we still get together from time to time to talk history and politics. his major beef with contemporary letism is he feels that, even if we successfully engage in some kind of mass revolutionary movement that eliminates the bourgeois order and engages in material redistribution in the developed world, you have to find a way to convince everyone in the first world to (in many cases, at least) considerably lower their rate of consumption in order to extend that standard around the world, because otherwise it isn't really a genuine revolution. he feels that it will be incredibly difficult to convince people to return to a model that values durable goods and sane consumption in order to create a sustainable global system its a good point and a big head scratcher for me
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Credit unions are still bs we need public banks
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:
Sorry you're dead, Timmy, but your hockey team sucked too bad 
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never forget that the gungho liberals in favor of UBI are secretly in love with it because it means they can gut all other social services and support systems and then feel righteous at spitting at someone who dies in the street because they were clearly bad with money and thus deserved what they got..
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Frog Act posted:one of my favorite professors was a cynical old communist and we still get together from time to time to talk history and politics. his major beef with contemporary letism is he feels that, even if we successfully engage in some kind of mass revolutionary movement that eliminates the bourgeois order and engages in material redistribution in the developed world, you have to find a way to convince everyone in the first world to (in many cases, at least) considerably lower their rate of consumption in order to extend that standard around the world, because otherwise it isn't really a genuine revolution. he feels that it will be incredibly difficult to convince people to return to a model that values durable goods and sane consumption in order to create a sustainable global system how dare you assume that everyone won't be able to have iphones because we're spending money on giving people clean water, proper housing, education, health care, etc.
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Not exactly breaking news but lol that this store exists with this name all over America and nobody stops to think "this is bad"
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Frog Act posted:one of my favorite professors was a cynical old communist and we still get together from time to time to talk history and politics. his major beef with contemporary letism is he feels that, even if we successfully engage in some kind of mass revolutionary movement that eliminates the bourgeois order and engages in material redistribution in the developed world, you have to find a way to convince everyone in the first world to (in many cases, at least) considerably lower their rate of consumption in order to extend that standard around the world, because otherwise it isn't really a genuine revolution. he feels that it will be incredibly difficult to convince people to return to a model that values durable goods and sane consumption in order to create a sustainable global system Working sub 40 hour weeks and longer vacations can be fairly convincing. I'd be willing to trade off a lot for that.
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Fuzzy McDoom posted:Not exactly breaking news but lol that this store exists with this name all over America and nobody stops to think "this is bad" 95% of Americans only know of banana republics as “places with bad governments where bananas grow” without the level of depth that goes into “and their governments are bad because”
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brown people get more sun and so do the plants so its easier for them to live so they didnt develop the protestant work ethic, and therefore their governments are corrupt is another line of reasoning ive heard
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Norway is a banana republic by some definitions.
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Pirate Radar posted:95% of Americans only know of banana republics as “places with bad governments where bananas grow” without the level of depth that goes into “and their governments are bad because” It's really fun to explain to people where the term comes from.
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Larry Parrish posted:Maybe it's because I only hang out with fellow commies in Sacramento but I've never heard anything good about this place lol There's one around the block from my office in the Bay Area - the sandwiches are big and ridiculous and already the most expensive ones in town.
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Coolness Averted posted:The median us household makes <60k, and less than 39% of us have the savings to cover a 1k emergency, so nah, we are much closer to the homeless dude and really do fail to realize it. gently caress, in the only real research into eviction we've had in this country the median unpaid rent was sub $700. So yeah 10k is a distressingly transformative sum for way too many of us. The median net worth of black Bostonians really is $8
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Platystemon posted:Norway is a banana republic by some definitions. Yeah don't think about stopping oil exports or Russia will come and take over.
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Fuzzy McDoom posted:Not exactly breaking news but lol that this store exists with this name all over America and nobody stops to think "this is bad" It was founded in 1978, by Mel and Patricia Ziegler with the name "Banana Republic Travel & Safari Clothing Company", with a safari theme; Anyone use a Teladoc system? I don't know how but I imagine doctors that give you medicine over a 5 minute phone call are bad. My work insurance would rather I use the free Teladoc system than visit an actual primary care provider.
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Muscle Wizard posted:how dare you assume that everyone won't be able to have iphones because we're spending money on giving people clean water, proper housing, education, health care, etc. the thing is I don't even think things like smartphones are universally inconceivable in the context of global socialism, just the capitalist cycle of planned obsolescence propelled by horrible destructive resource extraction. its all just academic anyway, almost everyone in the first world is fundamentally so hostile to the notion that collectively reducing our consumption isn't a wishy-washy individualist thing about encouraging recycling but rather a necessary systemic thing that can only result from revolutionary change
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I think if you have something to fill the hole that consumerism leaves behind it might be easier. Just doing it cold with no alternative wouldn’t do any good. It might look something partially like the mindset thing that was discussed earlier, or more community engagement. I don’t know about fashion since it changes, but I’d imagine people would rather spend a little more for durable goods that don’t fall apart as fast that last longer. The current capitalist model is to just churn out a bunch of cheaply made poo poo that lasts 1/5 of the length of time as something made more solidly, so a transition wouldn’t have to be super austere
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Scary! posted:I think if you have something to fill the hole that consumerism leaves behind it might be easier. Just doing it cold with no alternative wouldn’t do any good. State religion.
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Platystemon posted:State religion. Nah
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revolution requires cultivating and spreading a revolutionary discourse that alters the basic parameters of value, hierarchy, and success and I don't know if its even possible to convince people in developed countries to participate in such an effort even with the cudgel of global warming or the possible alternatives (increased services) because most politics are predicated on spiting other people and that doesn't gel with reasonable policies
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Frog Act posted:revolution requires cultivating and spreading a revolutionary discourse that alters the basic parameters of value, hierarchy, and success and I don't know if its even possible to convince people in developed countries to participate in such an effort even with the cudgel of global warming or the possible alternatives (increased services) because most politics are predicated on spiting other people and that doesn't gel with reasonable policies I'd like to think that deep, deep down, most people are fine if they have absolutely everything they need. However, if I'm wrong then we, as a species, probably deserve extinction. "Everything I could reasonably want I have but I'm unhappy because those people I don't like also have everything they could reasonably want," is a hosed up worthy view of the world.
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