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🎵I’m with some white girls and they lovin’ the Hoxha🎵
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Reading Ludo Marten's, 'Another View of Stalin,' currently. Pretty darn good.
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Jan 6, 2019 05:36
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quote:According to the Levada Center poll (November 2016), the people mainly miss the Soviet Union because of the destruction of the joint economic system of its 15 republics (53%); people lost the feeling of belonging to a great power (43%); mutual distrust and cruelty have increased (31%); the feeling that you are at home in any part of the USSR was lost (30%); and connection with friends, relatives lost (28%).[12] Levada Center sociologist Karina Pipiya says that economic factors played the most significant part in rising nostalgia for the USSR in the 2018 poll, as opposed to loss of prestige or national identity, noting that a strong majority of Russians "regret that there used to be more social justice and that the government worked for the people and that it was better in terms of care for citizens and paternalistic expectations." The left needs to stop running from the USSR and start treating modern Russia as the Venezuela of capitalism. Pretty much everyone who lived during the USSR thinks modern capitalist Russia (or their post-Soviet independent nation) is a cold, ruthless shithole where practically everything is worse. But the west only portrays the nostalgia as a longing to be a superpower again.
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Jan 6, 2019 09:20
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The "Venezuela of capitalism" is the entire Third World.
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Jan 6, 2019 09:30
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the venezuela of capitalism? venezuela 
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Jan 6, 2019 09:36
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:the venezuela of capitalism? venezuela 
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Jan 6, 2019 14:12
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Graphic posted:The left needs to stop running from the USSR and start treating modern Russia as the Venezuela of capitalism. Pretty much everyone who lived during the USSR thinks modern capitalist Russia (or their post-Soviet independent nation) is a cold, ruthless shithole where practically everything is worse. But the west only portrays the nostalgia as a longing to be a superpower again. I know you mean in the context of eastern bloc nostalgia but the average westerner, to the extent they know what the Soviet Union was, literally just think of it as "freedom was illegal" or if they're a little more sophisticated "they killed you to take your house and toothbrush" and I don't know that there's any way for the left to sell the important truth about eradicating elements of the bourgeois to the gormless collection of libs and moderates that constitutes the American left
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Jan 6, 2019 15:02
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The Soviet Union could do what it did and was a world power because of the organizational capacity of political communism, and its ability to command the political economy towards revolutionary advancements. A country like the United States which has all the resources and capital to do whatever it wants, would be capable of realizing unimaginable advances in the material conditions of society and even the whole world. It's not just that capitalists have parasitic relations to the working class, but that their power over political economy directs the aggregate forces of society itself towards their own petty ambitions and delusions. It's not difficult to imagine how many mouths could be fed with the resources poured in to one single libertarian think tank.
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Jan 6, 2019 16:11
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Frog Act posted:I know you mean in the context of eastern bloc nostalgia but the average westerner, to the extent they know what the Soviet Union was, literally just think of it as "freedom was illegal" or if they're a little more sophisticated "they killed you to take your house and toothbrush" and I don't know that there's any way for the left to sell the important truth about eradicating elements of the bourgeois to the gormless collection of libs and moderates that constitutes the American left how come we are meant to ignore the opinions of the unwashed masses when it comes to americans but not russians
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Jan 6, 2019 16:12
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Because America delenda est
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Jan 6, 2019 16:34
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Enjoy posted:how come we are meant to ignore the opinions of the unwashed masses when it comes to americans but not russians nostalgia for the recentish past, like the immediate postwar era, is something I think is more or less trustworthy wherever you are because it usually articulates a valid longing for an economic system that felt more broadly prosperous, which (as all cspam posters know obvs) tanked in the 70s and 80s with the triumph of the washington consensus. that isn't to imply capitalism worked or something in that era, merely that white people who remember the relative prosperity and social mobility (to today) have valid reasons to miss the purchasing power of their money and the higher minimum wage / saner real estate market / government safety net that they think of in other terms but was nevertheless a huge contributor to prosperity for the large minority white middle class that poo poo is totally gone now and just like older Americans yearn for a period where capitalism felt more functional to the part of the population that mattered, just like Russians want the same thing, only they remember the Soviet Union administering social needs more effectively than the Liberal Russian successor state. so I think of it the same way I think of all that kind of nostalgia, an important indicator that the godawful system of the mid-20th century has somehow only gotten worse for everyone except the very rich. I don't think Russians nostalgic for the eastern bloc are generally ideologically left in a way a CSPAM poster would recognize and I don't think old coots who miss the 50s and 60s are exponents of keynsian measures and a strong(er) safety net to buttress capitalism and maintain the precariat in just the right amount of misery are genuinely Liberal technocrats. they just miss life not sucking
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Frog Act posted:nostalgia for the recentish past, like the immediate postwar era, is something I think is more or less trustworthy wherever you are because it usually articulates a valid longing for an economic system that felt more broadly prosperous, which (as all cspam posters know obvs) tanked in the 70s and 80s with the triumph of the washington consensus. that isn't to imply capitalism worked or something in that era, merely that white people who remember the relative prosperity and social mobility (to today) have valid reasons to miss the purchasing power of their money and the higher minimum wage / saner real estate market / government safety net that they think of in other terms but was nevertheless a huge contributor to prosperity for the large minority white middle class well yes. the majority of any population will always be chiefly concerned with their personal situation and how it's changed over broader economic or political fissures. this is true even in progressive societies governed by communist parties, because creating a critical mass of committed ideologues is, at best, a long-term project taking over a hundred years.
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Jan 6, 2019 17:15
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the slogan “Peace, land, and bread” didn’t arise by accident
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Jan 6, 2019 17:29
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R. Guyovich posted:well yes. the majority of any population will always be chiefly concerned with their personal situation and how it's changed over broader economic or political fissures. this is true even in progressive societies governed by communist parties, because creating a critical mass of committed ideologues is, at best, a long-term project taking over a hundred years. I'm not trying to imply that was a failure of communism, if anything, the persistence of nostalgia is a testament to the degree to which the USSR was able to improve lives in the context of a global embargo. people in thirty years aren't going to be nostalgic for this particular self-destructive phase of capitalism, if anyone is even left
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Frog Act posted:I'm not trying to imply that was a failure of communism, if anything, the persistence of nostalgia is a testament to the degree to which the USSR was able to improve lives in the context of a global embargo. people in thirty years aren't going to be nostalgic for this particular self-destructive phase of capitalism, if anyone is even left people will be nostalgic for the golden age of television
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Jan 6, 2019 17:45
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Frog Act posted:I'm not trying to imply that was a failure of communism, if anything, the persistence of nostalgia is a testament to the degree to which the USSR was able to improve lives in the context of a global embargo. people in thirty years aren't going to be nostalgic for this particular self-destructive phase of capitalism, if anyone is even left I mean, I'll be nostalgic for the material comforts of this era in my part of the world, relative to the utter deprivation of a ruined civilization, if that's what's on the agenda. But not because of ideological reasons. Mr. Lobe fucked around with this message at 18:13 on Jan 6, 2019 |
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Jan 6, 2019 17:53
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The "Venezuela of capitalism" is the entire Third World. It is, but no one will take it that way because people are racist, they'll just think it's because they're black and brown savages, even if they don't say that out loud. Post-Soviet republics are white people that got hosed by capitalism. It's also a much clearer demonstration because it's a clear before and after case which isn't true of the third world.
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Jan 6, 2019 18:32
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Graphic posted:It is, but no one will take it that way because people are racist, they'll just think it's because they're black and brown savages, even if they don't say that out loud. Post-Soviet republics are white people that got hosed by capitalism, and it's also a clear before and after case which isn't true of the third world. Think down this road though you're going to start seeing a bunch of 1920s-rear end takes about "the Slav" as a kind of sub-white white ethnicity to square that circle.
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Jan 6, 2019 18:34
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Frog Act posted:I know you mean in the context of eastern bloc nostalgia but the average westerner, to the extent they know what the Soviet Union was, literally just think of it as "freedom was illegal" or if they're a little more sophisticated "they killed you to take your house and toothbrush" and I don't know that there's any way for the left to sell the important truth about eradicating elements of the bourgeois to the gormless collection of libs and moderates that constitutes the American left I'm talking about rehabilitating the USSR in Americans' eyes, explaining what they did that was actually great, that it wasn't all gulags and 20 hour shifts in magnesium mines. This is completely hopeless for older generations but I would never expect anything to be made out of them anyway. I'm more thinking people under the age of 35 who are already unafraid of the S-word because they (we) have no memory of actually living through hardcore cold war propaganda because we were toddlers when the USSR fell. The fact that millennials think it's cool that Bernie Sanders is a socialist means it's possible to sell them the USSR to maybe get them to start entertaining the C word. If I had to nutshell the ultimate goal to some convert, it would be 1970s USSR (properly explained), with soviet democracy and Netflix is still legal so it's not boring. Graphic fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Jan 6, 2019 |
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Jan 6, 2019 18:39
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socialism and political freedom could be possible in a post revolutionary united states in a way that was perceived as a mortal threat to 20th century socialist states, since the united states would no longer be around to constantly fund counter-revolutionary insurgents and sabotage every aspect of the project. on the other hand we already have ready made death squads champing at the bit to do some mass murders so that might be an issue, but theyre probably going to start death squadding no matter what happens
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Jan 6, 2019 18:54
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Graphic posted:I'm talking about rehabilitating the USSR in Americans' eyes, explaining what they did that was actually great, that it wasn't all gulags and 20 hour shifts in magnesium mines. This is completely hopeless for older generations but I would never expect anything to be made out of them anyway. I'm more thinking people under the age of 35 who are already unafraid of the S-word because they (we) have no memory of actually living through hardcore cold war propaganda because we were toddlers when the USSR fell. The fact that millennials think it's cool that Bernie Sanders is a socialist means it's possible to sell them the USSR to maybe get them to start entertaining the C word. this is already happening.
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Tastykake posted:socialism and political freedom could be possible in a post revolutionary united states in a way that was perceived as a mortal threat to 20th century socialist states, since the united states would no longer be around to constantly fund counter-revolutionary insurgents and sabotage every aspect of the project. spreading communism with the US military would be pretty epic I have to say, and maybe the most ironic act ever undertaken in history
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Jan 6, 2019 22:06
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remember the evil communist sonic attacks that caused the havana embassy to be mostly evacuated?? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/06/sonic-attack-on-us-embassy-in-havana-could-have-been-crickets-say-scientists quote:The mysterious wave of illness fuelled speculation that the staff had been targeted by an acoustic weapon. It was an explanation that appeared to gain weight when an audio recording of a persistent, high-pitched drone made by US personnel in Cuba was released to the Associated Press.
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Jan 6, 2019 22:12
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The communists weaponized crickets? Truly their evil knows no bounds.
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Jan 6, 2019 22:20
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stealin' from the pics thread https://twitter.com/sovietvisuals/status/1081476200420331522 soviet cinema is the greatest in the world
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GunnerJ posted:Think down this road though you're going to start seeing a bunch of 1920s-rear end takes about "the Slav" as a kind of sub-white white ethnicity to square that circle. it is well understood that the slavic brainpan is replete with extra crime neurons
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Jan 7, 2019 00:25
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R. Guyovich posted:this is already happening. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBAbI3lSPJc just focus on living 20 more years fellas HorrificExistence fucked around with this message at 00:36 on Jan 7, 2019 |
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Jan 7, 2019 00:33
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A Big Fuckin Hornet posted:stealin' from the pics thread nobody is ever gonna beat the bourgeois caricatures from early bolshevik art
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Jan 7, 2019 01:45
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https://twitter.com/Zapacna/status/1082068766039597056
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Jan 7, 2019 03:11
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you can't eradicate class without a balanced breakfast that prevents you from masturbating
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Jan 7, 2019 03:19
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HorrificExistence posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBAbI3lSPJc Found this future footage of a homecoming parade in 2047 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5IvethuPMw&t=4105s
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Jan 7, 2019 04:33
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happy plough day from the uk comrades. apparently today the farm workers would take their ploughs around town and dance in front of houses because there was nothing to plough. if the owners did not give them money they would plough up their gardens. happy plough day
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Jan 7, 2019 11:29
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Also, merry Christmas to our comrades in much of the former USSR
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Jan 7, 2019 14:51
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https://twitter.com/DxGGEAUX/status/1082168253256888321?s=19
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Jan 7, 2019 14:53
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i think its time to reiterate that stalin did nothing wrong, and that instead of defending his actions we should praise them
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Jan 7, 2019 15:06
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Well we haven't tried that... it might just work!
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Jan 7, 2019 15:13
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https://twitter.com/BlackSocialists/status/1082336004697190400
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noam will endorse any wishy washy bullshit with socialist in the name as long as it's not preceded by "existing"
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Jan 7, 2019 19:06
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he endorsed jacobin lmao
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the best socialism will always be the imaginary one in my smooth brain 
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