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Troi is Lt-Cmdr, hardly a low rank. There's the uncountable hundreds of ensigns and lts below her still, with only like, two people substantively above her.
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She became a full commander in the b-story to the Data-as-Frankenstein's-Monster episode. Probably to placate Marina Sirtis by giving her something to do. I'm sure in-universe, they never expected her to actually be in command during a critical situation like in Disaster. She'd be the one getting bridge duties while the ship was in spacedock or whatever.
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spincube posted:I don't think the Q put the anti-time whatsit there on purpose? Q didn't put it there at all (directly). Picard put it there by initiating the same  in the three time periods. The paradox he had to realize wasn't it moving backwards in time, they knew it was anti-time early on. The test was figuring out that HE was causing it and stopping.Of course, it was only possible because of Q shunting him back and forth through time.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Troi is Lt-Cmdr, hardly a low rank. There's the uncountable hundreds of ensigns and lts below her still, with only like, two people substantively above her. Am I misremembering or did she have to ask what a warp core breach was in one episode? I want to say it was the one where she was somehow the ranking officer on the bridge and she got into it with Ro.
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CaveGrinch posted:Am I misremembering or did she have to ask what a warp core breach was in one episode? I want to say it was the one where she was somehow the ranking officer on the bridge and she got into it with Ro. Yep, "Disaster." It's what motivated her to kill Geordi and get promoted.
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lol but seriously I posted:Encounter at Farpoint reads as a parody at my current space and time It features some of the most Troi-est telepathy ever, though. From sadness dialed up to 11 to anger dialed up to 11, it's all there. You wouldn't see psychic empathy quite that intense again until the Traveler landed the Enterprise-D in the magical galaxy where reality is what you think it is because that's just how that corner of space works. Remember how they all got home? If you said, "by thinking happy thoughts," then you're right!! And Troi was there to tell us what it felt like when everyone on board simply chose to be happy and optimistic when they were stranded a billion years from Earth because of an engineering experiment.
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Again, it's pure San Fran Facebook-exec style politics, where everything presented is right because it has the right trappings without any willingness to explore the complexities of their government's ethics and the consequences of how their approach is executed in challenging scenarios. The Facebook-world planet is the prime example. Picard would have figured out who the statue was of, and the cultural significance of this person, at some point. He would have learned about the history of the upvote/downvote system and deeply considered what an interruption to that system would mean, and probably even made some references to situations where "pure democracy" would have shaped the Federation in some aspect. The decision to flood the Masterfeed would not have been done lightly, and Picard would have reflected on it after the fact. Pick fucked around with this message at 18:29 on Jan 5, 2019 |
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CPColin posted:Yep, "Disaster." It's what motivated her to kill Geordi and get promoted. How could anyone possibly even get into the Academy without knowing what a core breach is?
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Because she's medical personnel, they always have special paths.
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Pick posted:Again, it's pure San Fran Facebook-exec style politics, where everything presented is right because it has the right trappings without any willingness to explore the complexities of their government's ethics and the consequences of how their approach is executed in challenging scenarios. You honestly seem to be taking to some figment that argued that Captain Mercer is equal to or better than Picard or some paragon. No poo poo Picard was smarter and better. That's very nearly the actual underlying premise of the Orville
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The Bloop posted:You honestly seem to be taking to some figment that argued that Captain Mercer is equal to or better than Picard or some paragon. No poo poo Picard was smarter and better. That's very nearly the actual underlying premise of the Orville It has nothing to do with Picard at all. It has to do with conflict framing. I could have said the same thing using DS9, TOS, or even goddamn Voyager. TOS fleshes out the conflict, and then derives a conclusion from the conflict. The Orville arrives with its conclusion intact, and then constructs a strawman conflict that is resolved with this pre-packaged political perspective, in the process never having been credibly challenged or explored. The episode with the flying farmship is a perfect example; the show enters obviously believing organized religion is bad but a little mysticism can be cutesy as long as we all know it's stupid bullshit your girlfriend likes or some poo poo. Then an episode is written where having this exact perspective on religion is 100% justified. The Orville reeks of backforming conflicts instead of cultivating conflicts. loving TAS did it better with How Sharper Than a Serpent's Tooth. Pick fucked around with this message at 20:06 on Jan 5, 2019 |
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Ok I see what you're saying now and yeah it's generally true. The Orville is not as good at philosophy as most Trek. It tends to rush that stuff to get in some jokes. I suspect there are a lot of forces at work behind the curtain including that Fox doesn't think enough people would watch conference table Trek in 2018/19 or that Seth genuinely loves Trek but misses out a bit when trying to recreate it, especially with the added humor. On the other hand, the episodes are often every bit as worthy of moral discussion among viewers. Maybe (and perhaps by accident) moreso since we'd more often criticize what we saw rather than just nod sagely and say Picard Good.
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That laziness is particularly evident with the S1 ender, which filled in the conflict by using the most cliche possible options at every point.
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The Bloop posted:On the other hand, the episodes are often every bit as worthy of moral discussion among viewers. Maybe (and perhaps by accident) moreso since we'd more often criticize what we saw rather than just nod sagely and say Picard Good. The same kind of conversations seem to be happening after episodes of this show that I can remember happening after episodes of Trek when it was good, show's not perfect but so far it's been close enough for me *shrug* p.s. its fine for a show to say organized religion is bad and to start from that point is not an invalid position to take
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You're all talking about a planet where what you imagine comes true. And saying "The Orville" but I think you mean TOS, with Bones and The White Rabbit and whatnot.
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simplefish posted:You're all talking about a planet where what you imagine comes true. And saying "The Orville" but I think you mean TOS, with Bones and The White Rabbit and whatnot. TNG and DS9 both did that plot, if not specifically on a planet, too.
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this is still the best memoryalpha page
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I started watching Voyager from the third season onward, skipping the opening two-parter in which the resolution to the Kazon plot is "they took back the ship and left their space, with nothing within their space having changed". "Flashback" is really good because Tuvok's actor, Tim Russ, really sold it in this one, it has a lot of background information on his character, and it has some scenes with George Takei as a guest star that feel like they really fit into Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country. "The Swarm" is also good, but the conclusion with The Doctor having lost his memory and this confusingly never being referenced again makes the ending a little anticlimactic.
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galenanorth posted:I started watching Voyager from the third season onward, skipping the opening two-parter in which the resolution to the Kazon plot is "they took back the ship and left their space, with nothing within their space having changed". "Flashback" is really good because Tuvok's actor, Tim Russ, really sold it in this one, it has a lot of background information on his character, and it has some scenes with George Takei as a guest star that feel like they really fit into Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country. "The Swarm" is also good, but the conclusion with The Doctor having lost his memory and this confusingly never being referenced again makes the ending a little anticlimactic. Flashback also established canonically that all Starfleet officers sleep in full uniform.
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tuvok has jammies. we see them. well gently caress, here's just the memory alpha page on pajamas e: although it's incomplete! I know offhand we see Sisko, Jadzia, and Bashir in pajamas.    Sisko's are a man's jammies  .
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Memory Alpha is not buying what Jonathan is selling re: what that woman is wearing.
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Lobster God posted:Flashback also established canonically that all Starfleet officers sleep in full uniform. That's normal, though? I wear my uniform at all times; sleeping, bathing, I don't even remove my trousers while defecating. My sergeant-major and I have a standing Monday morning charge parade.
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Pick posted:Keiko's a good woman!! She’s a terrible wife.
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LOL go to that MA entry about nightgowns and click on the link to "woman"
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Phylodox posted:She’s a terrible wife. Just ask Klinger!
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Keiko took the kid for a year and comes back sometimes just for sex, letting O'Brien live a bachelor life. And tries to give him a romantic getaway with Kira. She's the best wife ever
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Pinterest Mom posted:Memory Alpha is not buying what Jonathan is selling re: what that woman is wearing. Lol
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galenanorth posted:"The Swarm" is also good, but the conclusion with The Doctor having lost his memory and this confusingly never being referenced again makes the ending a little anticlimactic. It is very briefly mentioned at the beginning of Future’s End, part 2, but the first chunk of season 3 is a bit of a mess continuity wise with episodes 1,2,5 and 7 being made as part of Season 2 and the others being made at the beginning of Season 3. Of the first 7 episodes, The Swarm was the last of the 7 to be made, so subsequent episodes which should have referenced it were already long completed. Of course at the same time that would mean episodes having long term consequences, and we know how much Voyager loves them...
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spincube posted:Riker in those fuzzy one-piece jammies with feet, only you know it's the future in Space because there's no poop-hatch and there's an embroidered Starfleet arrowhead made out of this material: I have a nice comforter made out of this material and I bought it specifically because lol star trek, unfortunately it's so slippery it just slides off of whatever I put it on so it's useless
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Man I wish I had those. Ever pillow I buy is way too thick. I sleep without one entirely most of the time when my neck is sore and then it feels better
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