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Two questions: 1) How did they transition Edge and Christian from being vampires to just being dudes? Did they ever storyline de-vamp? Or was it like "ah ha! We never specifically said they were vampires, so maybe they were just weird goth guys!" or what? I had stopped watching around then. 2) I feel like New Japan has very little for me ever since Shibata murdered himself and Nagata stepped aside. What's my best option for watching really quality matches with tough bastards kicking the gently caress out of each other now? I care about quality matches but also how easy or difficult it is to follow a timeline. It doesn't have to be current, but I'd really like to watch things with some semblance of order and direction rather than just searching youtube for whatever old NOAH or Big Japan Strong match looks good. Basically I want a thing worth watching and a way worth watching it on. Nehru the Damaja fucked around with this message at 08:25 on Jan 6, 2019 |
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Nehru the Damaja posted:Two questions: the brood were only ever described as "living a vampire lifestyle" i don't think we were ever supposed to believe they were actual supernatural undead monsters, they were just really into Vampire: The Masquerade LARPing which is reinforced by the fact they were led by a man named Gangrel
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TTBF posted:Nikkolas, you should check out the NY 64 thread and listen to the podcast in the OP for more info on the ring boy scandal, as well as a lot more. Thanks for the link. I'm listening to the podcast right now and also subscribed to that thread. This is gonna make me so dirty for giving these people money now. I should be looking at other wrestling companies anyway. I'm interested in Mexican wrestling now and just started following CMLL on YouTube.
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Alaois posted:the brood were only ever described as "living a vampire lifestyle" i don't think we were ever supposed to believe they were actual supernatural undead monsters, they were just really into Vampire: The Masquerade LARPing which is reinforced by the fact they were led by a man named Gangrel So did they just show up one day and were no longer goth? I just don't get how you go from that to calling your fans "peeps"
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Nehru the Damaja posted:2) I feel like New Japan has very little for me ever since Shibata murdered himself and Nagata stepped aside. What's my best option for watching really quality matches with tough bastards kicking the gently caress out of each other now? I care about quality matches but also how easy or difficult it is to follow a timeline. It doesn't have to be current, but I'd really like to watch things with some semblance of order and direction rather than just searching youtube for whatever old NOAH or Big Japan Strong match looks good. Basically I want a thing worth watching and a way worth watching it on. Every current All Japan match that I've seen describes what you're looking for. Dragon Gate is another option, although it's harder to track down to see if you'll like it. Both have streaming services.
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They went from vampire adjacent wrestlers to just wrestlers after the TIT ladder match ( ), and then over the next couple years slowly got goofier with the biggest switch coming out of backstage stuff with Kurt Angle, which led to them cutting pre-match promos and the "for the benefit of those with flash photography..." before eventually Christian betrayed Edge and Edge turned face for a while.If I'm not mistaken, Christian calling the crowd his "peeps" was supposed to be a heel move but the crowd dug it and started cheering him, and then Christian ran into the JAAAAAAAAWN CEEEEEEEENA train and got trapped in mid-card hell before eventually bouncing when his contract was up and being the Biggest Signing In NWA TNA History Until Kurt Angle Arrived So to answer your question: yes
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Man, I was so hype about the Christian/Tomko/Trish pseudo-faction for like, all five minutes of it also in glorious tape-recorder-recording-a-TV-playing-a-VHS quality, here's the weird transitional phase of Edge & Christian https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oreQq1KHCqI
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"Tomko, drop me a beat." "No."
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Nehru the Damaja posted:2) I feel like New Japan has very little for me ever since Shibata murdered himself and Nagata stepped aside. What's my best option for watching really quality matches with tough bastards kicking the gently caress out of each other now? I care about quality matches but also how easy or difficult it is to follow a timeline. It doesn't have to be current, but I'd really like to watch things with some semblance of order and direction rather than just searching youtube for whatever old NOAH or Big Japan Strong match looks good. Basically I want a thing worth watching and a way worth watching it on. Current NOAH is probably the closest to this but is a little difficult to keep up with without a streaming service. There are Twitter accounts you can follow that'll post the links to their stuff but it takes more effort. BJW's Strong Division is also great but BJW Core loving sucks and is down for maintenance. AJPW has a streaming service and has a lot of tough bastards. If you start with this year's Champion Carnival or Oudou Tournament then there's a bunch of matches right up your alley. Not much in the way of a back catalogue though.
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Sorry to bust in with another random question but I've been watching those Wrestling's Most Countdowns from Kayfabe Commentaries and they interviewed a lot of ex wrestlers and wrestling personalities. One person featured has a mask on and is only listed as Masked Superstar. Everybody in the comments though says it is Bill Eddie/Ax. Can anyone think of why he would try to disguise himself? I don't know much about Demolition except they were a Road Warrior knockoff that were actually really good and got over in spite of this. And I think they are persona non grata with the WWE despite being such an important tag team? Dunno if that plays any part in why he was hiding his identity.
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Masked Superstar was his gimmick before Demolition
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NikkolasKing posted:Sorry to bust in with another random question but I've been watching those Wrestling's Most Countdowns from Kayfabe Commentaries and they interviewed a lot of ex wrestlers and wrestling personalities. One person featured has a mask on and is only listed as Masked Superstar. Everybody in the comments though says it is Bill Eddie/Ax. Can anyone think of why he would try to disguise himself? They are persona non grata because they came up with the gimmick, and sued Vince to get the rights to it, and won, and Vince is a petty, petty man. Masked Superstar was hella over back in the day, btw.
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Smoking Crow posted:Masked Superstar was his gimmick before Demolition Randaconda posted:They are persona non grata because they came up with the gimmick, and sued Vince to get the rights to it, and won, and Vince is a petty, petty man. Huh, well that's remarkably simple and straightforward. Thank you both. I really gotta figure out a way to go back and watch all this old stuff. I guess there's the Network but a lot of the best wrestling from the 80s wasn't WWF so far as I know. Lots of online tape sellers but that poo poo gets expensive. Not that I blame them and it's pretty cool this stuff even still exists at all.
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NikkolasKing posted:Huh, well that's remarkably simple and straightforward. Thank you both. Arguably, most of the best in-ring stuff was not in WWF in the 80s, since everybody was gassed to the gills there.
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NikkolasKing posted:Huh, well that's remarkably simple and straightforward. Thank you both. this channel uploads a lot of memphis and georgia stuff https://www.youtube.com/user/KrisZ891979
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Randaconda posted:They are persona non grata because they came up with the gimmick, and sued Vince to get the rights to it, and won, and Vince is a petty, petty man. Masked Superstar was also the Super Machine before Demoliton But Demolition also threw their names in with the concussion lawsuit that ambulance chaser tries every couple years, so you're probably not going to see them for a while.
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GEORGE W BUSHI posted:Current NOAH is probably the closest to this but is a little difficult to keep up with without a streaming service. There are Twitter accounts you can follow that'll post the links to their stuff but it takes more effort. I'm starting to get into NOAH simply because it is so much easier to follow, if you know the right places to look. Though it was annoying when they stopped updating the Puroresu Dream website.
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Are there any booking runs that are seen as critical successes but commercial failures? Since drawing is so important you don't really hear about stuff like that. The only two that come to mind for me are Eddie Gilbert in Continental and Paul Heyman in ECW
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Smoking Crow posted:Are there any booking runs that are seen as critical successes but commercial failures? Since drawing is so important you don't really hear about stuff like that. The only two that come to mind for me are Eddie Gilbert in Continental and Paul Heyman in ECW Steve Austin heel turn 2001. Edit. Sorry, thought you meant specific angles rather than promotors. CityMidnightJunky fucked around with this message at 19:16 on Jan 6, 2019 |
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Smoking Crow posted:Are there any booking runs that are seen as critical successes but commercial failures? Since drawing is so important you don't really hear about stuff like that. The only two that come to mind for me are Eddie Gilbert in Continental and Paul Heyman in ECW First 9 years of ROH?
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So are the NOAH and AJPW streaming services better than NJPW World? Last time I checked out World they used Google Translate and had like a zillion bad transliterations of Big Van Vader tagged.
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1997 WWF might fit? Creatively far better than what followed: but commercially not great really - Mania 13 was the worst Mania for business in history despite having the best WWF match in history on it.
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IceAgeComing posted:1997 WWF might fit? Creatively far better than what followed: but commercially not great really - Mania 13 was the worst Mania for business in history despite having the best WWF match in history on it. To be fair, Mania 13 was loving terrible outside the best Mania match in history
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Smoking Crow posted:Are there any booking runs that are seen as critical successes but commercial failures? Since drawing is so important you don't really hear about stuff like that. The only two that come to mind for me are Eddie Gilbert in Continental and Paul Heyman in ECW WCW in 89 was one of the best years in wrestling history but the company didn't draw well at all.
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MassRafTer posted:WCW in 89 was one of the best years in wrestling history but the company didn't draw well at all. God, Ric Flair might have been the best wrestler I've ever seen, overall, that whole year.
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Smoking Crow posted:Are there any booking runs that are seen as critical successes but commercial failures? Since drawing is so important you don't really hear about stuff like that. The only two that come to mind for me are Eddie Gilbert in Continental and Paul Heyman in ECW Technically, several of NXT’s hot streak years
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Randaconda posted:God, Ric Flair might have been the best wrestler I've ever seen, overall, that whole year. It's a toss up between Flair's run in 89, Okada's 17/18 IWGP run and Kobashi's GHC run as best overall title run in terms of in ring quality
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Nehru the Damaja posted:So are the NOAH and AJPW streaming services better than NJPW World? Last time I checked out World they used Google Translate and had like a zillion bad transliterations of Big Van Vader tagged. New Japan World is the easiest to use of all the streaming Japanese wrestling services. Despite still having lots of bad transliterations of wrestlers and the search being useless. NOAH doesn't even have a service. If I want to watch any I tend to check PuroresuDream on Twitter. I believe they have most of their broadcast 2018 shows but I've just checked and they've also not tweeted since Christmas so maybe they've gone dark. Which would suck. Alternatively, Rutube, Daily Motion, it's ridiculously easy to find any wrestling from Japan that's been televised between those 2 sites. Mainly rutube. forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Jan 6, 2019 |
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Stardom World is really easy to use but it's also Web 1.0
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forkboy84 posted:New Japan World is the easiest to use of all the streaming Japanese wrestling services. Despite still having lots of bad transliterations of wrestlers and the search being useless. Maybe I should just get World and watch every Nagata match they have and then jump to NOAH to fill in the gaps. I really miss Yuji Nagata, y'all.
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Nehru the Damaja posted:Maybe I should just get World and watch every Nagata match they have and then jump to NOAH to fill in the gaps. I really miss Yuji Nagata, y'all. Seems like they might be angling for a Nagata/Ishii singles match at New Beginning?
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TriffTshngo posted:Seems like they might be angling for a Nagata/Ishii singles match at New Beginning? Oh *poo poo*.
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Stardom are ahead of others on making the stories around certain things accessible: usually each match has little pre-match promos with the people involved that are subtitled into English as are any post-match stuff. It’s not everything - press conferences aren’t but I imagine that considering this stuff is a one man effort that’s too much work - and that plus their English social media makes them easier to get into than a lot of other promotions.
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Nehru the Damaja posted:Two questions:
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Can anybody else no longer edit their posts, or is it just me?
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I was never able to edit your posts, but have kept on trying for my entire posting career edit: This is not a real edit. Just kidding; it is a real edit. I've added it to the post and it wasn't here originally but I have done so quickly enough that it doesn't show up as edited.
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If the big North Korean expo... thing is the biggest wrestling gate in history (with the caveat that attendance was basically mandatory), what's the second biggest? I.e. the biggest "legit" attendance for a wrestling show?
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Why do you think that a crowd is "illegitimate" because they weren't motivated by low-brow entertainment, but by an interest in examining decadent Western popular culture through the lens of Juche Thought, Comrade Kim il Sung's creative doctrine of Marxism-Leninism?
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Maxwell Lord posted:If the big North Korean expo... thing is the biggest wrestling gate in history (with the caveat that attendance was basically mandatory), what's the second biggest? I.e. the biggest "legit" attendance for a wrestling show? 1992 SummerSlam?
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Maxwell Lord posted:If the big North Korean expo... thing is the biggest wrestling gate in history (with the caveat that attendance was basically mandatory), what's the second biggest? I.e. the biggest "legit" attendance for a wrestling show? Well the second biggest is the other night of the North Korean Peace Festival show! There are reports that Jim Londos drew 100,000 for a match in Greece but it was probably less than that. MassRafTer fucked around with this message at 02:39 on Jan 7, 2019 |
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