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Shifty Pony posted:He still thinks this is just a branding issue and that if he can just find the right lie he'll get his wall I don't think it has as much to do with the connotations of "wall" as it does with somebody in the admin with half a neuron realizing it would be helpful to align the pet construction project with the promise to make America's steel industry relevant again.
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Shifty Pony posted:He still thinks this is just a branding issue and that if he can just find the right lie he'll get his wall The thing is, he's not "entirely" wrong on paper. The problem is that Trump doesn't want to wall because he hates immigrants (which he does, don't get me wrong), he wants the wall because he needs to give his supporters what they were promised. Make no mistake, if he was policy-driven, there 100% would be some kind of compromise that severely, heavy-handedly and cruely cracks down on border enforcement, while being palatable enough on paper for the democrats to let pass in exchange for something as long as it's branded innocently enough.
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Krispy Wafer posted:Good: Russia's soybean production is a rounding error off US output. China can't make up the US shortfall from Russia. It's laughable to even think that Russia could even match the United States' agricultural output, given it's a frozen hellhole for half the year. But, yeah, Brazil will more than make up for the slack.
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Come now, Trump seizing the steel industry would go great. It'd work flawlessly for the thirty seconds before Trump is assassinated.
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Maybe Trump could nationalize the coal industry. Then he could run it into the ground, thus helping the US meet carbon emission goals.
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Fallom posted:I don't think it has as much to do with the connotations of "wall" as it does with somebody in the admin with half a neuron realizing it would be helpful to align the pet construction project with the promise to make America's steel industry relevant again. Nah, its just that they're pushing the lie that the Democrats supported the Wall and wanted a Wall until Trump started calling it The Wall so if they just don't call it The Wall then the Democrats have to support it, right? Its been a huge narrative from the right during all of this. Its pure idiocy and lies but the thing about Trump and the right is that they're so loving stupid they keep believing their own lies. Its like the time Nunes wrote a nonsense memo and lied that there was damaging stuff in it and then they all insisted it so much that they forgot they were lying and released the memo only for there to be nothing in it. So Trump just thinks he can really talk his way into this because (a) he's so smart and can do anything, (b) of course everyone actually agrees with them even if they don't realize it, and (c) everything Fox News says is true.
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STAC Goat posted:Nah, its just that they're pushing the lie that the Democrats supported the Wall and wanted a Wall until Trump started calling it The Wall so if they just don't call it The Wall then the Democrats have to support it, right? Its been a huge narrative from the right during all of this. when he initially pivoted to STEEL WALL WITH SLATS!! i thought it was because it was somehow an exception to the restrictions on the DHS budget that stop them from using "border security" funding for a wall but it's not that, he's just an idiot and got something new in his head that he'll keep saying over and over again
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STAC Goat posted:Nah, its just that they're pushing the lie that the Democrats supported the Wall and wanted a Wall until Trump started calling it The Wall so if they just don't call it The Wall then the Democrats have to support it, right? Its been a huge narrative from the right during all of this. I'm not sure why FoxNews and the other Koch-funded blogosphere/Jordan Petersons of the world don't just manufacture complete lies and tell them the wall is already built. It's cheaper. Or better yet, tell them you need to raise taxes on the poor blacks to do it. Do they not realize they've created an alternative universe? Or are there actual limits to that universe that they know and that haven't been tested yet?
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Themagicalgoat posted:I'm not sure why FoxNews and the other Koch-funded blogosphere/Jordan Petersons of the world don't just manufacture complete lies and tell them the wall is already built. It's cheaper. Or better yet, tell them you need to raise taxes on the poor blacks to do it. Do they not realize they've created an alternative universe? Or are there actual limits to that universe that they know and that haven't been tested yet? Ah, but if the wall is already built then they can't blame all their problems on brown people
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CuddleCryptid posted:Ah, but if the wall is already built then they can't blame all their problems on brown people Just make up a new made up problem. Your overhead is a lot lower and you can still ALOT more money from rubes.
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CuddleCryptid posted:Ah, but if the wall is already built then they can't blame all their problems on brown people You then start to blame it all on the brown people INSIDE the walls.
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KiteAuraan posted:Please let me dream fellow archaeologist. Dream of a world where sites aren't constantly being looted. Looted, sinking under the water while the people digging them aren't allowed to work, developed without any oversight... 
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eke out posted:wait what the f You better tell goon lord Schiff that if he is going to steal your ideas then he needs to pay up
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Themagicalgoat posted:I'm not sure why FoxNews and the other Koch-funded blogosphere/Jordan Petersons of the world don't just manufacture complete lies and tell them the wall is already built. It's cheaper. Or better yet, tell them you need to raise taxes on the poor blacks to do it. Do they not realize they've created an alternative universe? Or are there actual limits to that universe that they know and that haven't been tested yet? Technically I believe the Kochs oppose this. They like immigration. It lowers labor cost. And trade wars are really bad for business. So yeah, I'd say that at its core its not as magical an alternate universe as it sometimes seems. There was something in 2017-18 that saw a direct blow to Fox News ratings because they were ignoring it completely and pretending it didn't exist but a lot of their viewers were noticing such a glaring glitch in the Matrix. I'm blanking on what it was. But for as thick as the blanket over Fox News and RWM consumers is sometimes there's still a lot of divided agendas and cognitive dissonance limits. Which isn't to say that it isn't still really effective and dangerous, even to lots of people not watching.
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STAC Goat posted:Technically I believe the Kochs oppose this. They like immigration. It lowers labor cost. And trade wars are really bad for business. I believe it was the Trump/Russia stuff right around the time Mueller was first appointed. Of course, that was 100,000 years ago so I forget the exact series of events leading up to it, but I remember there was a series of big revelations over the course of like a week that headlined every other news channel while Fox News was largely ignoring it.
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Themagicalgoat posted:I'm not sure why FoxNews and the other Koch-funded blogosphere/Jordan Petersons of the world don't just manufacture complete lies and tell them the wall is already built. It's cheaper. Or better yet, tell them you need to raise taxes on the poor blacks to do it. Do they not realize they've created an alternative universe? Or are there actual limits to that universe that they know and that haven't been tested yet?  “
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STAC Goat posted:Technically I believe the Kochs oppose this. They like immigration. It lowers labor cost. And trade wars are really bad for business. Well luckily the right is united by their universal hatred towards everyone else, so those kinds of differences are ultimately unimportant. Roger Griffin wrote a whole paper about it. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/0031322022000054321
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Pakled posted:I believe it was the Trump/Russia stuff right around the time Mueller was first appointed. Of course, that was 100,000 years ago so I forget the exact series of events leading up to it, but I remember there was a series of big revelations over the course of like a week that headlined every other news channel while Fox News was largely ignoring it. Yeah, that sounds right but like it was a lifetime ago in 2017 and I can't remember poo poo like that anymore. I just remember that Fox News was in hardcore deny and ignore mode and it started to noticeably affect their ratings.
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How many of the people working without pay are in a union? Can the ones that are legally strike during a shutdown?
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Themagicalgoat posted:I'm not sure why FoxNews and the other Koch-funded blogosphere/Jordan Petersons of the world don't just manufacture complete lies and tell them the wall is already built. It's cheaper. Or better yet, tell them you need to raise taxes on the poor blacks to do it. Do they not realize they've created an alternative universe? Or are there actual limits to that universe that they know and that haven't been tested yet? Because there are a very significant number of ultra-racists at Fox and in Alt right Twitter. Fox and Friends could try to say the wall is built but Carlson would blow up the lie ASAP because he's a white nationalist first, Republican stooge second.
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Lycus posted:How many of the people working without pay are in a union? Can the ones that are legally strike during a shutdown? I have this notion that forcing people to work indefinitely without pay and with the threat of legal punishment if they don't comply is, y'know, slavery  but that hasn't caught on yet.
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All of these people could wildcat strike. That means they could theoretically be replaced, but if you're not paying the replacements either, who's showing up, right? The moment enough people realize that, and the more people look at the West Virginia teachers' wildcat strike, this country becomes a lot more interesting.
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Shifty Pony posted:Because there are a very significant number of ultra-racists at Fox and in Alt right Twitter. Why don't they just swap him out with someone who will do what he's told? There's no one at FoxNews that isn't completely replaceable. The Jordan Petersons of the world are harder because they have their own internet shitholes. But even they can be bought.
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Your Boy Fancy posted:All of these people could wildcat strike. That means they could theoretically be replaced, but if you're not paying the replacements either, who's showing up, right? The point of scabs is that they'll gladly get ripped off. They'll come in knowing they'll get paid something eventually, and that will be good enough for them because they're scabs. The real question is how new employees could be trained and even have their paperwork processed.
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Your Boy Fancy posted:All of these people could wildcat strike. That means they could theoretically be replaced, but if you're not paying the replacements either, who's showing up, right? consider who's in charge and what their response will be, they're going to do something really stupid like imprison strikers.
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Themagicalgoat posted:Why don't they just swap him out with someone who will do what he's told? There's no one at FoxNews that isn't completely replaceable. The Jordan Petersons of the world are harder because they have their own internet shitholes. But even they can be bought. FOX needs the white nationalists to tune in.
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Mineaiki posted:The point of scabs is that they'll gladly get ripped off. They'll come in knowing they'll get paid something eventually, and that will be good enough for them because they're scabs. Yeah but even scabs need to get paid in order to scab, and they definitely won't get paid right away. I can still see a bunch of chuds doing it thinking they would be rewarded handsomely (and then get screwed over by Trump)
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Ague Proof posted:FOX needs the white nationalists to tune in. White nationalists need fox way more than vice versa.
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Feldegast42 posted:Yeah but even scabs need to get paid in order to scab, and they definitely won't get paid right away. I can still see a bunch of chuds doing it thinking they would be rewarded handsomely (and then get screwed over by Trump) This is true. I guess my point is that scabs are inherently stupid and self-defeating, and basically are the chuds you're talking about by nature. The boss will see I'm a hard worker if I just step over this here picket line.
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Lycus posted:How many of the people working without pay are in a union? Can the ones that are legally strike during a shutdown? My aunt and uncle work for CBP on the Canadian border and my aunt is their union rep at their station. So there is a union presence, but I don't know what's been going on there.
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Mineaiki posted:This is true. I guess my point is that scabs are inherently stupid and self-defeating, and basically are the chuds you're talking about by nature. The boss will see I'm a hard worker if I just step over this here picket line. Chuds are also greedy, lazy and entitled creatures. They'll expect to be paid just for saying good things about Trump and if nothing comes up say that their boss is a race traitor - blaming the few essential staff the fed has.
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Donald loving Trump. Donald loving Trump.
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Crow Jane posted:Y'all were supposed to root for the Ravens says crow jane
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InsertPotPun posted:Donald loving Trump. Donald "Motherfucker" Trump.
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Crow Jane posted:Y'all were supposed to roost for the Ravens
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