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i can't write an article if im not allowed to draw wildly inaccurate comparisons https://twitter.com/shaneharris/status/1082311686344896513
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Jan 7, 2019 17:52
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enraged_camel posted:so loving what? there are bad fact-checkers, therefore fact-checking is bad? is that really the argument you're pushing here? Good example of how the Orwellian title of "fact-checker" functions. Anyone who criticizes how fact-checkers operate is anti-facts! It's in the name!
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Jan 7, 2019 17:52
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:No Democrats gave a gently caress when Obama had a brain fart and said 57 States even though that was the biggest story on Fox News for days. A brain fart or misspeaking about a statistic isn't the same thing as Trumpist propaganda. This is both side'ism at it's worst.
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Jan 7, 2019 17:54
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Groovelord Neato posted:we already post this? Rolling into 2019 like 
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Jan 7, 2019 17:56
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Anyone else fully on board with taxing the ever loving poo poo out of the rich even if we literally take all of that money and burn it in a giant bonfire? Because at least those fuckers won’t have it anymore.
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Jan 7, 2019 17:56
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Also with stuff like the 57 states thing and other minor errors Obama would joke about it and go oops. Trump is incapable of admitting a mistake so you would get him saying he’s right while the GOP Tripp’s over themselves to justify it.
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Jan 7, 2019 17:56
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SHARIA LAW SCHOOL posted:i can't write an article if im not allowed to draw wildly inaccurate comparisons This article is a great example of exactly how some people in this thread are misrepresenting what she said. AOC specifically says facts are important, but that just because someone makes a clumsy misstatement of a number doesn't invalidate their argument if the correct figure still supports their argument or if the argument is correct for other reasons regardless of that mistake The Post even quotes her saying that fact-checking is important, and then immediately lies and claims she hates facts.
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Jan 7, 2019 17:57
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So, given that it's now January 7th, I'm gonna go on the record and say that I was wrong and am owned about thinking the government would be open by the 10th, and I am surprised at Trump holding out for this long. Feel free to quote this if the government actually does reopen by the 10th and double own me.
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Jan 7, 2019 17:57
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Weren't the parties basically the opposite back then though?
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Jan 7, 2019 17:58
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VitalSigns posted:Good example of how the Orwellian title of "fact-checker" functions. Exactly. If some journalists wants to say she is full of poo poo and this is why that's their opinion. But when the Fact Checkers do it they are specifically leveraging their job title to give extra credibility. It would be one thing if a " fact checker" got something wrong they we're totally discredited but they consistently are full of poo poo and continue. In most other fields you can't just be wrong consistently which is one of the reasons to be on the level but Fact Checkers do not have that quality control.
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Jan 7, 2019 17:58
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Radish posted:Literally no person has no biases. I'm way more suspicious of someone saying they are totally objective when fact checking than someone that admits those biases. It's how you get these racist algorithms when "well it's science and math from an unfeeling computer" that just happened to be programmed by white dudes. Agreed, someone who has no biases is someone whose biases are so normalized that they aren't seen as problematic. You don't have to be wearing a white hood on the weekend to be biased. There is a reason why the sciences require redundant studies to back up single points, because the original person has a massive bias towards proving their hypothesis and everyone knows that. E. Now that I think about it, politics and science kind of overlap in terms of lovely reactive reporting. "LAB CURES CANCER in rats with a certain strain of cancer and half of them died anyways" CuddleCryptid fucked around with this message at 18:01 on Jan 7, 2019 |
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Jan 7, 2019 17:59
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Lightning Knight posted:So, given that it's now January 7th, I'm gonna go on the record and say that I was wrong and am owned about thinking the government would be open by the 10th, and I am surprised at Trump holding out for this long. Honestly, every day the government stays shut I get more and more frightened. I want Democrats to hold the line, but I don't think we have the luxury of doing so much longer. My hope is that Pelosi at least knows more about the situation than I do.
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Jan 7, 2019 17:59
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Toobly posted:Weren't the parties basically the opposite back then though? yeah but they still try to pretend to be the "part of lincoln". bobjr posted:Also with stuff like the 57 states thing and other minor errors Obama would joke about it and go oops. Trump is incapable of admitting a mistake so you would get him saying he’s right while the GOP Tripp’s over themselves to justify it. and there's a vast gulf between misspeaking and lying your rear end off. trump often doesn't care if what he says is true but he's knowingly lied. it's not misspeaking when it's every time you talk. it's just speaking.
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Toobly posted:Weren't the parties basically the opposite back then though? It was more industry / capitalism (rep) vs agriculture / labor (dem), which is why the republicans wanted railroads, cheaper labor, and open markets. but, you know, with like a lot more nuance
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Jan 7, 2019 18:00
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Toobly posted:Weren't the parties basically the opposite back then though? Not really, modern political ideologies and platforms don't really track 1-1 with the 1860s. Broadly speaking, the Republican Party was a northern-oriented business party focused on the development of industrial capacity, while the Democratic Party was a southern-oriented cash crop party focused on protecting the plantation economy. Also worth noting that 1868 was before the big xenophobic wave against Asian people and the Chinese Exclusion Act.
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Jan 7, 2019 18:00
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:Honestly, every day the government stays shut I get more and more frightened. I want Democrats to hold the line, but I don't think we have the luxury of doing so much longer. My hope is that Pelosi at least knows more about the situation than I do. Why do the Dems have to give at all?
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Jan 7, 2019 18:01
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enraged_camel posted:so loving what? there are bad fact-checkers, therefore fact-checking is bad? is that really the argument you're pushing here? the example i posted was of arguably the most well-known known fact checker thrusting his thumbs in his ears and shouting "I CAN'T HEAR YOU" over and over and over when presented with facts that contradicted his original fact check and refusing to actually correct it, because it contradicted his friends at a libertarian think tank and would have made his friend jake tapper look bad fact checking as practiced by people like glenn kessler is a loving sham B B fucked around with this message at 18:05 on Jan 7, 2019 |
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Jan 7, 2019 18:01
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:Honestly, every day the government stays shut I get more and more frightened. I want Democrats to hold the line, but I don't think we have the luxury of doing so much longer. My hope is that Pelosi at least knows more about the situation than I do. Why would you think this?
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Jan 7, 2019 18:02
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Why do the Dems have to give at all? I agree, the longer the shutdown goes on the worse it is for Republicans. It's a powerful own goal and there's no way they can credibly spin it with non-chuds as being the Democrats' fault when Trump loudly, preemptively declared he'd own the shutdown.
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Jan 7, 2019 18:02
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Kobayashi posted:Why would you think this? They are right though. Weaponizing the left's compassion against them is standard practice now. The Democrats won't let people starve and the Republicans know that.
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Jan 7, 2019 18:03
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Jan 7, 2019 18:04
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Lightning Knight posted:I agree, the longer the shutdown goes on the worse it is for Republicans. It's a powerful own goal and there's no way they can credibly spin it with non-chuds as being the Democrats' fault when Trump loudly, preemptively declared he'd own the shutdown. A reasonable person would see that the Republicans are at fault, which is why 35% will blame the Democrats.
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Jan 7, 2019 18:04
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it would be catastrophically stupid for the dems to cave. the majority blame trump and it'll just let him know to do it in the future. polling shows only the republican base blames the dems.
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Jan 7, 2019 18:04
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:Honestly, every day the government stays shut I get more and more frightened. I want Democrats to hold the line, but I don't think we have the luxury of doing so much longer. My hope is that Pelosi at least knows more about the situation than I do. If they don’t hold the line, the Dems are going to get turbofucked until Trump is out of office because he’ll just hold our society hostage every time he wants something. It’s like that flashback in the first season of the Expanse where all of the refugees surrender explaining they only wanted oxygen for their children, then the Earth Military just kills them all anyways.
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Jan 7, 2019 18:04
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:Honestly, every day the government stays shut I get more and more frightened. I want Democrats to hold the line, but I don't think we have the luxury of doing so much longer. My hope is that Pelosi at least knows more about the situation than I do. The Dems can’t cave here.
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Jan 7, 2019 18:05
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I guess we've had an ongoing national security crisis for decades and never realised it! thanks trump!
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Jan 7, 2019 18:05
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She means a DC area Taco Bell
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Jan 7, 2019 18:05
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so the new plan is to pretend there's a national security crisis at the border by saying 'national security crisis' a bunch and hope that'll help him using military funds to build the wall?
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Jan 7, 2019 18:06
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Groovelord Neato posted:we already post this? Yea, we could do with a good 40-50 years of the federal government pulling that poo poo on conservatives. Just to balance the scales.
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Jan 7, 2019 18:06
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^Holy poo poo the look on Ryan Coogler's face in that clip. yikes. ^ Also politifact and its ilk are biased as gently caress and absolutely pushing a corporate centrist agenda with their so-called "fact checking." They weren't divinely ordained as "fact checkers" who now must be rejected as such but: VitalSigns posted:Good example of how the Orwellian title of "fact-checker" functions.
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Jan 7, 2019 18:07
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Kobayashi posted:Why would you think this? Because I don't think Republicans will, and when you have the party of "we hate government and want it to fail" put up against "we prefer, uh, functioning government" it says to me that the only people who will blink are the ones who want government to function. Lightning Knight posted:I agree, the longer the shutdown goes on the worse it is for Republicans. It's a powerful own goal and there's no way they can credibly spin it with non-chuds as being the Democrats' fault when Trump loudly, preemptively declared he'd own the shutdown. A powerful own goal it might be, but apparently Trump doesn't care, and Mitch McConnell is busy hiding in his shell--so what are our options? Wait until enough Republicans decide to put country before party?
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Jan 7, 2019 18:07
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lol, what a loving waste. i guess thats when he will declare a national emergency.
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Jan 7, 2019 18:08
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Someone just took a commanding lead in the race for 2019's dumbest Democratic office holder. https://twitter.com/politico/status/1082283243355992064?s=19
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Jan 7, 2019 18:09
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Dapper_Swindler posted:lol, what a loving waste. i guess thats when he will declare a national emergency. Good, can we reopen the government now? You know, since Donny has decided he doesn't need Congress to build his dumb wall (spoiler alert: this won't survive the first court challenge by a competent lawyer). DynamicSloth posted:Someone just took a commanding lead in the race for 2019's dumbest Democratic office holder.  He just legitimized all of Trump's blather for the last three weeks about "steel slats" being an acceptable compromise. Goddamnit, get him off TV.
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Jan 7, 2019 18:09
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Anyone else fully on board with taxing the ever loving poo poo out of the rich even if we literally take all of that money and burn it in a giant bonfire? Because at least those fuckers won’t have it anymore. Naw, I'd rather do some good with it. Spite doesn't keep people warm and healthy at night.
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Jan 7, 2019 18:09
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undocumented immigration is so low on the list of issues facing this country in terms of severity it's insane that one party is animated seemingly solely over it.
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:so the new plan is to pretend there's a national security crisis at the border by saying 'national security crisis' a bunch and hope that'll help him using military funds to build the wall? It’s a pretext for trying to declare a national emergency.
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cochise posted:Naw, I'd rather do some good with it. Spite doesn't keep people warm and healthy at night. Depends how close to the money bonfire you are
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