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AceRimmer posted:Nuclear ICBMs have been hypersonic since they were developed....during the phase where they re-enter the atmosphere. Mach 3 for early ICMBs to around 20 for modern ones. The issue with IRBMs and MRBMs, particularly fast ones, is that it raises the potential for a First Strike capability. It takes time for another state to detect, identify, decide and retaliate. ICBMs give 20-40 minutes. Newer, faster missiles launched from closer will give 5 or less minutes. I would agree the problem goes back to the US pullout of the ABM treaty. Even if ABM is a boondoggle that costs billions and delivers nothing the possibility that it could work and the decades long timeline of missile development means everyone had to step up their game. MAD may have sucked, but I'm not sure "We promise we won't use our turbo nukes" is a viable replacement system.
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I feel like Russia is getting more aggressive because they are losing most global aspects outside of military power (I think?). Have a missile that goes mach 50, unless it can hit every silo, bomber, and missile sub the US has, its useless outside of maintaining MAD. I'm more worried about the tactical nuclear capability this can be used for. pro starcraft loser fucked around with this message at 02:04 on Dec 28, 2018 |
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# ? Dec 28, 2018 01:43 |
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Launching SLBMs on a depressed trajectory is more effective than any of the retro 60s nuke projects Russia is publicizing. It makes me think that the bulava can't do depressed trajectory launches.
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Totally Reasonable posted:Launching SLBMs on a depressed trajectory is more effective than any of the retro 60s nuke projects Russia is publicizing. It makes me think that the bulava can't do depressed trajectory launches. Budget cuts killed the cavitators so it cant depress as much as required by the original plan.. obviously the budget didnt cut it
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https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1078587170766667776 this would confirm that butina's plea was serious/substantive
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I read last month when Medvedev visited Belarus he suggested to Lukashenko it was time for Belarus to switch to the Russian ruble. I believe the Belarusian ruble is still tied to the American dollar. Brown Moses posted:Russia Today like to send thematic Christmas gifts to other media organisations. This year it's chocolate Salisbury cathedrals, referencing the time their editor-in-chief participated in the GRU's attempt to cover up their involvement in the attempted assassination of Sergei Skripal using a highly dangerous chemical agent, lol Amazing.
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LeoMarr posted:Russia has broken the treaty numerous times via modifying mid range missiles for ground based launch Were you drunk when you wrote this?
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# ? Dec 28, 2018 21:05 |
Xarn posted:Were you drunk when you wrote this? That is his default posting condition.
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Xarn posted:Were you drunk when you wrote this? idgi, seems mostly cogent.
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https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1078767722517938176?s=21
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2019s gonn be helluva year
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:I read last month when Medvedev visited Belarus he suggested to Lukashenko it was time for Belarus to switch to the Russian ruble. I believe the Belarusian ruble is still tied to the American dollar. It is tied to currency portfolio of RUB (40%), USD(30%) and EUR(30%).
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LeoMarr posted:2019s gonn be helluva year I am morbidly curious as to how this will be spun to be the fault of NATO and what's left of the West.
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This Ukrainian news source claims the sudden Russian fast-tracking of solidifying the Union State between Russia and Belarus is so Putin can be in charge of it in 2024. https://www.segodnya.ua/world/russia/putin-budet-pytatsya-krasivo-ubrat-lukashenko-intervyu-s-iley-ponomarevym-1200868.html quote:“Putin will try to beautifully remove Lukashenko”: an interview with Ilya Ponomarev I am not sure, but I would think becoming president of the Union State would be a big step down in authority for Putin. Long interview, but worth reading.
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I think the argument is that Putin will become the leader of USSR 2 and that it will be a leadership position over both countries.
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The Union State has an interesting history. Lukashenko pitched the idea to Yeltsin, who agreed to it. Then Yeltsin stepped down in 2000 and Putin became president. After that, neither country seemed all that enthused to continue. It's there but really has no authority. Also, the idea they're going to get rid of Lukashenko right now is not possible. As long as he's breathing he's going to be president of Belarus.
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LeoMarr posted:2019s gonn be helluva year Is there any other kind at this point
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So a year ago the brother of my friend got abducted by FSB in some bizarre international catfishing scheme. Since for some reason they are convinced a 19 yo kid is a terrorist mastermind they've been denying him access to medicine/doctors and it seems the guy is losing his eyesight by now. https://charter97.org/en/news/2018/12/24/317649/
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:The Union State has an interesting history. Lukashenko pitched the idea to Yeltsin, who agreed to it. Then Yeltsin stepped down in 2000 and Putin became president. After that, neither country seemed all that enthused to continue. It's there but really has no authority. The other thing is that Lukashenko has sons that everyone is familiar with in Belarus. While his youngest Nikolai gets the lion share of public attention because of his resemblance to Joffery, Lukashenko has two adult sons, Viktor and Dmitry, that are already well-established. Not to mention, by the time they're going to try this big anschluss by 2024, Nikolai will be in his twenties and already well-versed in authoritarian politics since birth, while Putin will probably sundowning into his seventies.
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# ? Dec 30, 2018 17:06 |
Putin will be walking Botox container by then.
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2019 is the year of the russian Anschluss.
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Everybody enjoying the new year? Putin Wishes Happy New Year To Belarusian President quote:MOSCOW (UrduPoint News / Sputnik - 30th December, 2018) Russian President Vladimir Putin has wished a merry Christmas and a happy New Year to his Belarusian counterpart, Alexander Lukashenko, noting that the two countries were continuing their efforts aimed at strengthening their Union State, the Kremlin said on Sunday. https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1079775565773721600 HUGE PUBES A PLUS fucked around with this message at 17:42 on Dec 31, 2018 |
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In non-Belarus absorption news, there were 2 good CCC talks about Russia stuff, concerning RKN's flailing about attempting to block Telegram and how the Crimean internet switched from being Ukrainian to Russian: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUrJgfuWu1U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmskfem30dg
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# ? Dec 31, 2018 20:02 |
Autocephaly is done. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpQpgT98G5c
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Autocephaly is done. Greek calligraphy looks pretty: https://mobile.twitter.com/poroshenko/status/1081529047614656512
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Kosovo+Albania unification is getting very little coverage, at least in English language media. This is in Croatian: http://www.novilist.hr/Komentari/Blogovi/Drugo-misljenje-Zdenka-Duke/ZDENKO-DUKA-Velika-Albanija-pa-velika-Srbija! Some key points - The unification of Albanians should be done by 2025. It's unclear if this means just Kosovo and Albania or perhaps Macedonian and Montenegrin Albanians too. - Kosovo/Albania border is getting dismantled and by March it will be an area like Schengen - Kosovo armed forces upgraded to an official Army - Serbia is giving up on the idea of the entire Kosovo and will try to get just the areas with Serb majority. USA supports the land swap and so does Kosovo president, but not Kosovo PM. - Balkan countries are worried about it because it would open the door to Serbian entity exiting Bosnia and Herzegovina. https://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2019&mm=01&dd=04&nav_id=105919 This is en English, Serbian PM threatening to complain to Coca-Cola about Kosovo (!?) and also calling it a "hub of drugs, weapons, and people trafficking, and has had the highest number Islamic State fighters relative to its population". Sour grapes, huh?
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Cat Mattress posted:If you mean "shatter the Earth into a new asteroid belt for the Sun, Death Star-style" then no, absolutely not. If you mean "provoke an environmental and civilizational collapse that will wipe out most and perhaps even all of humanity" then yes. They'd probably need to target some cities with it, to start fires and get a prodigious amount of ash and soot into the atmosphere if it should have a chance of causing nuclear winter. Just blowing all of the nukes up on the ground would not cause nuclear winter, it would seed much of Russia (though IIRC most of their nukes are in sparsely populated areas) with radioactive fallout, which would render living in those parts of the country difficult or impossible for a while (and other regions as well dependent on winds), but you'd not get nuclear winter without destroying cities.
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Dawncloack posted:I dunno, if Russia detonated a quarter of their nuclear arsenal on the ground they'd destroy the world all the same, wouldn't they? Not even close. You could wipe out a sizable portion of the human population in the major cities, but rural places would probably be fine once everything settled down. Hell, Hiroshima is a bustling metropolis and center of industry today. Randarkman posted:They'd probably need to target some cities with it, to start fires and get a prodigious amount of ash and soot into the atmosphere if it should have a chance of causing nuclear winter. Just blowing all of the nukes up on the ground would not cause nuclear winter, it would seed much of Russia (though IIRC most of their nukes are in sparsely populated areas) with radioactive fallout, which would render living in those parts of the country difficult or impossible for a while (and other regions as well dependent on winds), but you'd not get nuclear winter without destroying cities. In reality the radioactive fallout from weapons is only dangerous for a week or so. As to nuclear winter, I believe current models predict it would only last about 4 years. spacetoaster fucked around with this message at 20:05 on Jan 7, 2019 |
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According to a 2013 climate study, a 100 Hiroshima-size bomb exchange between Pakistan/India would drop crop yields in China/US by 10-40%. So a much larger exchange probably means the end of civilization in the Northern Hemisphere.
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AceRimmer posted:According to a 2013 climate study, a 100 Hiroshima-size bomb exchange between Pakistan/India would drop crop yields in China/US by 10-40%. So a much larger exchange probably means the end of civilization in the Northern Hemisphere. I think that same study said about 1 billion people would be affected by the indirect effects like fallout, accelerated climate change due to the minor nuclear winter, collapsing crop yields causing famines, etc. I'm just unsure if I'm remembering it as merely affected or actually killed by indirect effects.
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spacetoaster posted:As to nuclear winter, I believe current models predict it would only last about 4 years. Crops failing for about 4 years is no small deal. AceRimmer posted:According to a 2013 climate study, a 100 Hiroshima-size bomb exchange between Pakistan/India would drop crop yields in China/US by 10-40%. So a much larger exchange probably means the end of civilization in the Northern Hemisphere. Yes, but the proposed scenario was just the Russians blowing up a bunch of their nukes on the ground. Unless they blew up all of their cities by this, I don't really see a nuclear winter resulting. Nuclear winter as hypothesized is due to soot and ash gathering in the atmosphere from long-lasting and pervasive fires in several hundred or thousand major cities as a result of bombing, not from radiation or radioactive fallout. Young Freud posted:I'm just unsure if I'm remembering it as merely affected or actually killed by indirect effects. Likely it means affected by. It would probably be similar to the fallout from the Chernobyl diaster in that radioactive byproducts would gather up in the soil and therefore food and such in regions downwind, requring measures to prevent long-term heath issues (or death from radiation sickness for for the immediate aftermath though, due to the extreme radioactivity and therefore short half life of many fission products). Randarkman fucked around with this message at 20:59 on Jan 7, 2019 |
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Randarkman posted:Crops failing for about 4 years is no small deal. Correct. I was just pointing out that it wouldn't mean the end of the world.
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The world doesn't end. But it certainly stands a good chance of collapsing modern global civilization, if not by itself then by combining it with our already scheduled ecosystem collapse.
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# ? Jan 7, 2019 21:14 |
This has nothing to do with Eastern Europe.
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# ? Jan 7, 2019 21:17 |
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cinci zoo sniper posted:This has nothing to do with Eastern Europe. Yet.
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# ? Jan 7, 2019 21:21 |
Be my guest when it is. You can always create a nuclear war discussion thread and see it die in 2 pages like the last nuclear war thread born out of this one did because there're whole 3.5 people on the forums interested in paranoid drivel by armchair generals.
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OK how about people's experiences with Cold War civil defense stuff in Eastern Europe, instead of Clancy chat? As a kid I remember seeing a similar chart of what different air raid siren tones meant in my tower block in Yugoslavia.
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Meanwhile in Estonia. First the funny part: The Estonian Government's Failed Video Game (youtube) Since elections are soon upon us the conservative racists have come out.... with their election promises. That includes big government spending to the tune of 5 billion EUR divided between four years. Some of the reasoning being that the people will not have to go hungry for the sake of keeping state budget in balance. Includes lowering VAT to 15%, reducing fuel, alcohol and electricity excises to have cheapest energy in the region, building four new four-lane highways, a bridge between the mainland and our biggest island, scrapping Rail Baltica as it is planned now (because why take the shortest route if you can go around), no road taxes, and of course limiting number of foreign workers to encourage domestic wage growth. In cooperation with businesses determining which laws and regulations are most bureaucratic/costly and scrapping those. Because where has that ever gone wrong. Oh, and also asking USA for military aid of 1 billion USD. Because that will go over well with Donald Trump. Surely if Israel qualifies.... Several other things have happened recently, like a bunch of posters that were put up last Sunday at a tram stop, one saying "Estonians stand here" and another one saying "Russians stand here". Comparisons with apartheid came very quickly (Russian media is probably having a field day with that) and those posters were vandalized later in the same evening. Or maybe I should say "vandalized". It turned out they were put up by a new liberal-progressive party. Then next day new posters were put up at the same place by the same bunch, that said "Estonians and Russians going to school together", et cetera. That's one way to get people to talk about you, though comments on the internet and responses by other parties are mostly negative. jonnypeh fucked around with this message at 19:24 on Jan 8, 2019 |
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AceRimmer posted:OK how about people's experiences with Cold War civil defense stuff in Eastern Europe, instead of Clancy chat? What's the bottom one? Kaiju attack?
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Darth Walrus posted:What's the bottom one? Kaiju attack? From top to bottom: - General public mobilization - Air raid warning - Nuclear - biological - chemical alert - Fire alert - Natural disaster warning - All clear
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