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orange juche posted:The biggest concern I have about this is the natsec angle. You could use my phone to track my comings and goings, and it doesn't even have to be a smartphone, a 20 dollar AT&T burner can be tracked just as easily, and I'm sure you can track OnStar just the same, as it has a cell modem built into it. You can establish a most likely route for my daily travel and my routine of being in and out of the house (the data request includes the home address of the account!) and then plan an intercept of me or my family for whatever nefarious poo poo you were planning to do, like pressure someone into becoming an insider threat. I guarantee this data is being sold to foreign Intel agencies.
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CommieGIR posted:I guarantee this data is being sold to foreign Intel agencies. Oh one hundred loving percent, what country wouldn't love to be able to throw down ~$300 through a shell corporation and have access to real time location data for an intel analyst working at Redstone Arsenal or a nuclear physicist working in Los Alamos?
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What if the company that's fighting this is actually BP? They own a stake in Rosneft, would potentially have access to financial documents, etc...
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CommieGIR posted:I guarantee this data is being sold to foreign Intel agencies. Your data being sold is also a feature not some unintended side effect.
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orange juche posted:The biggest concern I have about this is the natsec angle. You could use my phone to track my comings and goings, and it doesn't even have to be a smartphone, a 20 dollar AT&T burner can be tracked just as easily, and I'm sure you can track OnStar just the same, as it has a cell modem built into it. You can establish a most likely route for my daily travel and my routine of being in and out of the house (the data request includes the home address of the account!) and then plan an intercept of me or my family for whatever nefarious poo poo you were planning to do, like pressure someone into becoming an insider threat. lol and people were worried about the police with IMSI catchers. Don't need any of that fancy tech when the phone company sells your realtime location data to just about anyone. The implications yeah, pretty easy to build a pattern of life on someone for whatever bad purpose. I'm sure Congress will get right on putting in some very restrictive privacy laws for social media and telecom companies. And who knows what kind of location data FB, Google, etc. are hoovering up by other methods.
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Can't wait for it to come out that someone used it to stalk and kill an ex. Or disappear a Russian/Saudi dissident.
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DoktorLoken posted:I'm sure Congress will get right on putting in some very restrictive privacy laws for social media and telecom companies I can feel the sarcasm dripping off of every word. The biggest thing that makes this laughable is the people passing the laws or not passing the laws as such don't think about this from a security angle, because people who do sensitive jobs have phones too, and cars, and facebook and google accounts. The sale of data is basically wholly unregulated and policed by literal "we pinky promise we won't use this location data for bad things" agreements, and that's a very bad thing. People from the EU might hold up GDPR as groundbreaking data regulation but does it even cover data harvested from cell tower locations? E: The answer is not really, it still allows for the collection of cell phone location data "for legitimate purposes" but fails to specify what a legitimate purpose is, as well as its resale lol. orange juche fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Jan 8, 2019 |
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Lou Takki posted:What if the company that's fighting this is actually BP? It's being reported that it's a "foreign financial institution". I believe that's new information!
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Vasudus posted:what if its deutsche bank I thought that was who everyone was assuming it was anyways. I was just trying to figure out who it might be if not them, but if it's really a financial institution, then it's gotta be Deutsche Bank IMO.
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Immanentized posted:RIP Carbon Emissions Cuts, and the species I mean, BP already knew there was a lot of oil in the Gulf of Mexico. They put it there, after all.
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I thought it was a foreign, state owned , company. Deustche Bank isn't state owned.
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McNally posted:I mean, BP already knew there was a lot of oil in the Gulf of Mexico. They put it there, after all. 
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McNally posted:I mean, BP already knew there was a lot of oil in the Gulf of Mexico. They put it there, after all. I'm from the directly affected area there and loving lmao.
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McNally posted:I mean, BP already knew there was a lot of oil in the Gulf of Mexico. They put it there, after all. Lol, too good 
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https://twitter.com/StormyDaniels/status/1082745074474237953?s=19 Now linked by two political writers and a straight-news reporter. 2019. Edit: just came out that the mystery foreign company is getting charged $50k/day in the contempt action. Gonna get expensive in a hurry! facialimpediment fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Jan 8, 2019 |
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facialimpediment posted:https://twitter.com/StormyDaniels/status/1082745074474237953?s=19 if it’s a bank, that’s rounding error territory in terms of impact. they should double the fine everyday like they did w/ yonkers
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CommieGIR posted:I guarantee this data is being sold to foreign Intel agencies. It's probably a database with IMEI numbers tied to owners of the phone plans. In the US don't you need an ID to purchase a SIM card? Someone else may know more but wouldn't any country that requires an ID to purchase a SIM card be able to do this? Also I remember someone here remarked on a Trump tweet that excess parenthesis and commas in text was pretty indicative of mental illness. Anyone have more background on this? Suicide Watch fucked around with this message at 22:52 on Jan 8, 2019 |
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Suicide Watch posted:It's probably a database with IMEI numbers tied to owners of the phone plans. In the US don't you need an ID to purchase a SIM card? Someone else may know more but wouldn't any country that requires an ID to purchase a SIM card be able to do this? It's really easy to figure out a track on a person from even crap data (just the accelerometer output is enough to define a specific person and know what they're up to), bunch of good papers online about it, e.g. here, there's shitloads of research available publicly. "Big data" is a problem and nobody has figured out how to deal with it.
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Suicide Watch posted:It's probably a database with IMEI numbers tied to owners of the phone plans. In the US don't you need an ID to purchase a SIM card? Someone else may know more but wouldn't any country that requires an ID to purchase a SIM card be able to do this? If you read the motherboard article the concern isn't the IMEI numbers database, which is frankly kinda useless if you don't have location data, but the fact that there are companies selling the live, down to the minute location data of any phone as long as you know the phone number. Phone numbers are much easier to get a hold of than IMEI numbers.
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orange juche posted:If you read the motherboard article the concern isn't the IMEI numbers database, which is frankly kinda useless if you don't have location data, but the fact that there are companies selling the live, down to the minute location data of any phone as long as you know the phone number. Phone numbers are much easier to get a hold of than IMEI numbers. This is kind of horrifying if you say had a bad date with someone who turns out to be a creepy one.
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That Works posted:This is kind of horrifying if you say had a bad date with someone who turns out to be a creepy one. 
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Hexyflexy posted:Oh god, I was bored so I did some rough calculations on the border wall (my arithmetic is awful so I might have missed a zero somewhere). If you built it out of strakes the advertised height and depth (8.2M) and they were box steel sections 10cm x 10cm that were 0.5cm thick (seemed sensible and my local foundry makes them), you need $4B of mild steel (going by the local rate in my city in the UK, I live in steel central) and ~3% of your total mild steel output (on 2017 figures) for a year to do it, covering the official length of the border. 100mm box with 5 mm wall x 8 meters long, if you can get to the fence with a rope and a 1976 Suzuki Samurai, you could loop the fence up high and just tow bend it down to the ground. Or snap it off.
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As a sign of next two years, seeing pro-wall 'campaign' ads on CNN 'paid for by Donald Trump for President'. Trump's already getting his 2020 campaign spun up to prime the pump for his evening address, gonna be great watching him us his campaign as a combination slush fund/agitprop mouthpiece for the next two years.
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not caring here posted:100mm box with 5 mm wall x 8 meters long, if you can get to the fence with a rope and a 1976 Suzuki Samurai, you could loop the fence up high and just tow bend it down to the ground. Or snap it off. I'd go with spraying sulphuric acid at the base, there's no way they'd get replaced fast enough to deal with it. Stainless would cost like 100x more.
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Hexyflexy posted:I'd go with spraying sulphuric acid at the base, there's no way they'd get replaced fast enough to deal with it. Stainless would cost like 100x more. The whole thing will be painted with frictionless paint.
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not caring here posted:100mm box with 5 mm wall x 8 meters long, if you can get to the fence with a rope and a 1976 Suzuki Samurai, you could loop the fence up high and just tow bend it down to the ground. Or snap it off. You can also apparently set the world record for highest motorized ascent for a wheeled vehicle, because the Suzuki Samurai holds the record at 21,942ft.
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That Works posted:This is kind of horrifying if you say had a bad date with someone who turns out to be a creepy one. I.e., the only chance for any legislation on the subject is for a pretty white virgin to get murdered.
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joat mon posted:I.e., the only chance for any legislation on the subject is for a pretty white virgin to get murdered. And not by an affluent white guy
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M_Gargantua posted:Your data being sold is also a feature not some unintended side effect. I was never under any pretenses otherwise, but I figured there was some restrictions. I kinda figured that they were being circumvented, but didn't realize this easily.
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CommieGIR posted:Stormy Daniels is gonna fold her laundry in her underwear during Trump's announcement I'd watch, but don't have instagram. I have an autographed copy of Operation Desert Stormy. Thanks to working at an adult store a decade ago. I should see if some chud will buy it for dumb money. It's the special 3 disc edition.
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I don't know how accurate it really was but there was some article I read after trump posted a picture of the slats w/ the SUV some engineering guy that worked on major civil projects tried to price it out. It came out to like 3500 bucks a slat if they were properly rated for the weather/soil/etc. It would consume almost a third of all US steel production for several years and I think a quarter of the entire world's Zinc output. You would also have to build multiple concrete facilities on-site because there's no way you can haul that much. Not including a penny of profit or overhead it was already in the many hundreds of billions just for the materials alone.
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Vasudus posted:I don't know how accurate it really was but there was some article I read after trump posted a picture of the slats w/ the SUV some engineering guy that worked on major civil projects tried to price it out. It came out to like 3500 bucks a slat if they were properly rated for the weather/soil/etc. It would consume almost a third of all US steel production for several years and I think a quarter of the entire world's Zinc output. You would also have to build multiple concrete facilities on-site because there's no way you can haul that much. Not including a penny of profit or overhead it was already in the many hundreds of billions just for the materials alone. They should just build a berm instead.
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Vasudus posted:I don't know how accurate it really was but there was some article I read after trump posted a picture of the slats w/ the SUV some engineering guy that worked on major civil projects tried to price it out. It came out to like 3500 bucks a slat if they were properly rated for the weather/soil/etc. It would consume almost a third of all US steel production for several years and I think a quarter of the entire world's Zinc output. You would also have to build multiple concrete facilities on-site because there's no way you can haul that much. Not including a penny of profit or overhead it was already in the many hundreds of billions just for the materials alone. Yeh, it's utterly nuts, my estimate didn't have any bracing or foundations etc in it, and I have no idea how to even account for workers. And that dumbass guess topped out about $50B. Which considering all the stuff I didn't add in is going to be like $500B. Which considering maintenance will be more like $2T for the budget to construction completion. And god help you if you want to use an interesting alloy for it, because that increases everything a huge amount because the US doesn't have that production capability.
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