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Gunshow Poophole
Sep 14, 2008

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Clapping Larry

Nottherealaborn posted:

I don’t mind melee kills taking a few hits at full health, but the forced kill animation on the final stab is annoying

Yeah I'm confused about this too

Either do the takedown or don't don't make me waste time after I've been hammering the melee button

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DEBATE ME BITCH
Jan 5, 2005

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
If the animations have to be there make them faster.

The Bananana
May 21, 2008

This is a metaphor, a Christian allegory. The fact that I have to explain to you that Jesus is the Warthog, and the Banana is drepanocytosis is just embarrassing for you.



Make me invulnerable during the animation

Julius CSAR
Oct 3, 2007

by sebmojo

Parkingtigers posted:

Literally no-one is saying that, and people making nazi imagery in the emblem creator is precisely WHY we can't get a more authentic WW2 game because look at the state of it.


Basically this. It's not just the logo, it's more that the overall visual language is just missing a certain something something. I think the customisation options exacerbate this somewhat too, as Allied soldiers are a real mishmash of British and American uniforms. They look mostly period appropriate, but it's not that whole cohesive and... well, uniform... look that you expect.

BF1 nailed the visual silhouette thing, with the whole support class gets backpacks, recon had long coats/capes, medics had crutches etc. I know some people like the customisation, but going to this after having classes you could eyeball from 200 metres, AND the other stuff about it not quite looking like WW2 due to a variety of things that don't follow the expected WW2 visual language we are all familiar with, and it's just all a little off.

But still having a good time with the game, and certainly when the vehicles are in play it gets much more of the experience I want from a WW2 game. Just can't yet find a class and/or weapon that clicks with me. In BF1 I was naturally drawn to scout and support, here I'm flailing in every category. Doesn't help that I hate the Lee Enfield so I need a bolt action more to my suiting.

I miss melee kills too. So far I've only got one, and I'm peering down iron sights at long distance targets more than I expected. Combat is happening at more extreme ranges this time, chokepoints around flags excepted. I still wanna unlock bayonets for any gun that can fit them, because I will not let that die in 2019.

I absolutely do not understand people that say "it doesn't look like WW2" because it absolutely does? I mean, the base uniforms for the sides (which most people have equipped) are pretty much spot on British/German uniforms. There's the sound of Merlins and Db.601s filling the air, panzers and churchills. A dude yelling at you in a german accent, etc.

Also please explain to me why there should be gigantic red (I'm assuming red since you're describing a german airfield) banners flying everywhere and hanging off everything on aerodrome? Like do you really think that there would have been huge banners hanging off the sides of the hangars or something? Because despite what you see on the history channel or in a call of duty game that happened exactly never.

It cracks me up when people drag on about what WW2 "looks like" and then you find out that their idea of what WW2 looks like is entirely informed by stuff like Inglorious Basterds or Wolfenstein 3D or something.

Julius CSAR fucked around with this message at 05:03 on Jan 9, 2019

Raskolnikov2089
Nov 3, 2006

Schizzy to the matic
I really loving hate that you can't interrupt animations. They're so poorly thought out. I shouldn't be locked into a revive, or a reload.

Julius CSAR
Oct 3, 2007

by sebmojo

Raskolnikov2089 posted:

I really loving hate that you can't interrupt animations. They're so poorly thought out. I shouldn't be locked into a revive, or a reload.

Pretty sure if you’re reviving a teammate just press X (for Xbox) and it should cancel the revive, don’t think it works for a mele kill though

fartknocker
Oct 28, 2012


Damn it, this always happens. I think I'm gonna score, and then I never score. It's not fair.



Wedge Regret

sunday at work posted:

Bayonet charges were broken garbage for the whole of BF1 and it's extremely good they they are gone.

One thing that the handful of Call of Duty games with bayonets got right is they treated them like an extended melee attack. It loving drove me nuts that BF1 (And the handful of times I tried using them in BFV) treated bayonets separately, that they’d be totally useless against an enemy standing directly in front of you if you can’t get enough of a running start, or if they’d step slightly to the side.

Anyway, anyone have an idea when the next major update is due out? I’m enjoying the game, but the issue with it not awarding company coins is getting unbearable. It shouldn’t take a loving week to upgrade one drat gun, and that’s really killing my interest in the game since I can’t really try out all the weapons and vehicles...

Parkingtigers
Feb 23, 2008
TARGET CONSUMER
LOVES EVERY FUCKING GAME EVER MADE. EVER.

Julius CSAR posted:

I absolutely do not understand people that say "it doesn't look like WW2" because it absolutely does? I mean, the base uniforms for the sides (which most people have equipped) are pretty much spot on British/German uniforms. There's the sound of Merlins and Db.601s filling the air, panzers and churchills. A dude yelling at you in a german accent, etc.

It cracks me up when people drag on about what WW2 "looks like" and then you find out that their idea of what WW2 looks like is entirely informed by stuff like Inglorious Basterds or Wolfenstein 3D or something.

Currently, while all the uniform pieces themselves are grand, you just get them all thrown together in one server. So it's forest camo and greatcoats in the desert, and I had a squad mate on Rotterdam last night in a bright white snow smock and gas mask and he looked like he should be quietly murdering Soviets in the Winter War. My other squadmate had the US style helmet with the medic symbol on it, and he wasn't playing a medic. It's not that any one part of it is bad, but put all those parts together and the contrast between them is a thing the brain notices. Someone once described it as being (visually) a WW2 bad company and that's kind of on the money.

*shrugs*

It's not a dealbreaker, I'm not angry about it, but yeah sometimes it feels a little off. It's actually not as bad ingame as it looked from videos of others playing.

I'm also aware that some things we accept more readily than others, such as all factions getting all weapons etc. The melange of styles is something that sticks out to me more than other stuff. YMMV on what things bother you, if any.

Guillermus
Dec 28, 2009



I miss classes having distinct uniforms like support being the one with a backpack or ammo belts around while assault (or engineer in older tittles) was the one with explosives around... etc. Now I can make all four classes look the same or make a recon "medic".

I'd also like a gamemode where weapons were locked to factions for old time's sake. I'm replaying all old call of duty games and played a bit of COD2 mp and liked to be again an US rifleman using the Garand and facing a german rifleman with a Kar98.

Parkingtigers
Feb 23, 2008
TARGET CONSUMER
LOVES EVERY FUCKING GAME EVER MADE. EVER.
I do appreciate that the loadout screen is split by faction though, and like someone said up thread I've gone for more MY REALISM options for each team. Because eh, why not, the guns all gotta level up so might as well put the KE7 on my Allied support, and the MG34 on my German one etc.

Anyone got their specific pretty princess dressup choices they go for? I decided my British assault neeed to be the old scrawny white dude. Looks like he'd have a proper British smile if he opened his mouth, and the “I've seen some poo poo” haunted look to him was essential.

All my recons are women. Picked the most sneering fash I could for the Germans, and the middle eastern looking one for the Brits as I figured that Muslim princess who worked as an SOE agent in occupied France is a good model for a scout who might have gotten swept up into a battle.

Are there any things to watch out for as far as specialisations on weapons/vehicles goes? I'm just picking whatever seems good at the time as they come up. I see that I can respec at rank 4, but is that an ongoing cost that will waste battlebucks along the way? I felt zimmerit on my PzIV was an obvious choice to foil sticky dynamite, and it looks as WW2 as WW2 gets.

Fanatic
Mar 9, 2006

:eyepop:

Zzulu posted:

Why did they remove the swastikas? Are we trying to censor nazis out of history or something

Well for one thing, BF5 depicts the Wehrmacht who historically were banned from being affiliated with political parties and on an individual basis could just as easily have been communist-leaning as centrist or fascist. So Nazi symbolism was less common on their uniforms and vehicles in general compared to the SS who had the whole armband thing going.

Missing swastikas isn't as big of a deal than if they were censored in say, Wolfenstein where you do in fact fight the Nazi party's private army aka the SS.

Finger Prince
Jan 5, 2007


Julius CSAR posted:

I absolutely do not understand people that say "it doesn't look like WW2" because it absolutely does? I mean, the base uniforms for the sides (which most people have equipped) are pretty much spot on British/German uniforms. There's the sound of Merlins and Db.601s filling the air, panzers and churchills. A dude yelling at you in a german accent, etc.

Also please explain to me why there should be gigantic red (I'm assuming red since you're describing a german airfield) banners flying everywhere and hanging off everything on aerodrome? Like do you really think that there would have been huge banners hanging off the sides of the hangars or something? Because despite what you see on the history channel or in a call of duty game that happened exactly never.

It cracks me up when people drag on about what WW2 "looks like" and then you find out that their idea of what WW2 looks like is entirely informed by stuff like Inglorious Basterds or Wolfenstein 3D or something.

You know, you're right. I take back what I was saying before about it. I was looking at some archival photos and realized that yeah, my whole perspective is really based on Hollywood depictions, since I'm not a history channel or war documentary buff. Add to that, pretty much all the scenarios take place in contested (duh) or newly occupied territory, obviously its not going to be dressed up like the reichstag. So really, they got it pretty much right. I don't care if the German planes don't have swastikas on the tails, and an airfield pretty much just looks like an airfield. Change what's parked on the ramp and it's an allied airfield.

sunday at work
Apr 6, 2011

"Man is the animal that thinks something is wrong."

Parkingtigers posted:

Are there any things to watch out for as far as specialisations on weapons/vehicles goes? I'm just picking whatever seems good at the time as they come up. I see that I can respec at rank 4, but is that an ongoing cost that will waste battlebucks along the way? I felt zimmerit on my PzIV was an obvious choice to foil sticky dynamite, and it looks as WW2 as WW2 gets.

Redoing specializations is free.

The S-Mine launcher on the Panzer IV is great against infantry running up on you.

Kilometers Davis
Jul 9, 2007

They begin again

Finger Prince posted:

You know, you're right. I take back what I was saying before about it. I was looking at some archival photos and realized that yeah, my whole perspective is really based on Hollywood depictions, since I'm not a history channel or war documentary buff. Add to that, pretty much all the scenarios take place in contested (duh) or newly occupied territory, obviously its not going to be dressed up like the reichstag. So really, they got it pretty much right. I don't care if the German planes don't have swastikas on the tails, and an airfield pretty much just looks like an airfield. Change what's parked on the ramp and it's an allied airfield.

Yeah the more I step back and think about it, this game is way more accurate than I previously gave it credit for. DICE did a good job, you just can’t approach it with the reality you “think” is the right one. It’s honestly a very interesting take on WW2 when you consider how lazy they could have been.

Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008
As a new/old battlefield player (what's up 1942) the constant back and forth over female characters and swastikas is loving weird.

The Bananana
May 21, 2008

This is a metaphor, a Christian allegory. The fact that I have to explain to you that Jesus is the Warthog, and the Banana is drepanocytosis is just embarrassing for you.



Finger Prince posted:

You know, you're right. I take back what I was saying before about it. I was looking at some archival photos and realized that yeah, my whole perspective is really based on Hollywood depictions, since I'm not a history channel or war documentary buff. Add to that, pretty much all the scenarios take place in contested (duh) or newly occupied territory, obviously its not going to be dressed up like the reichstag. So really, they got it pretty much right. I don't care if the German planes don't have swastikas on the tails, and an airfield pretty much just looks like an airfield. Change what's parked on the ramp and it's an allied airfield.

Holy poo poo someone successfully changed someone's mind on the internet! :wow:

(FWIW, I was satisfied by that post as well.)

Beastie
Nov 3, 2006

They used to call me tricky-kid, I lived the life they wish they did.


A mode where factions are locked into their own guns? What the hell is up with you people?

The Bananana
May 21, 2008

This is a metaphor, a Christian allegory. The fact that I have to explain to you that Jesus is the Warthog, and the Banana is drepanocytosis is just embarrassing for you.



Beastie posted:

A mode where factions are locked into their own guns? What the hell is up with you people?

This could work, but only if you got to pick what faction you wanted to play as.

Beastie
Nov 3, 2006

They used to call me tricky-kid, I lived the life they wish they did.


Make your guns match your faction. Who cares what the enemy uses.

Honestly, just go play Red Orchestra.

Megaman's Jockstrap
Jul 16, 2000

What a horrible thread to have a post.
I mean, let's go whole hog with the guns. You can only pick era-appropriate ones too. So for example, FG-42 could not be used on any of the current maps because it wasn't invented yet. In fact the stuff that happened in Greece (which is coming in March) is what spurred the development of the gun.

edit: in case it needs to be clear I think any kind of restriction on guns by faction is a negative idea. I can't wait to play an American sniper with a Mosin-Nagant and recreate all my favorite Sniper Elite 4 moments.

Megaman's Jockstrap fucked around with this message at 18:13 on Jan 9, 2019

El Jebus
Jun 18, 2008

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The more I think about it the more I want swastikas in this game. BUT! Only in one place. You should get a swastika that is crossed out every time you get a kill with a spitfire a la Eric Lock.

Wiki link to Eric and his spitfire.

Beastie
Nov 3, 2006

They used to call me tricky-kid, I lived the life they wish they did.


Battlefield is about shooting rockets into bombers, or ghost riding your Spitfire into a group of Germans. BF has never been a mil-sim. If you're hung up on period accurate uniforms specific to where the fighting was, there are other games.

The Bananana
May 21, 2008

This is a metaphor, a Christian allegory. The fact that I have to explain to you that Jesus is the Warthog, and the Banana is drepanocytosis is just embarrassing for you.



El Jebus posted:

The more I think about it the more I want swastikas in this game. BUT! Only in one place. You should get a swastika that is crossed out every time you get a kill with a spitfire a la Eric Lock.

Wiki link to Eric and his spitfire.

Lol.
I'm for it

Megaman's Jockstrap
Jul 16, 2000

What a horrible thread to have a post.

Beastie posted:

Battlefield is about shooting rockets into bombers, or ghost riding your Spitfire into a group of Germans. BF has never been a mil-sim. If you're hung up on period accurate uniforms specific to where the fighting was, there are other games.

I think it's important to separate the content from the aesthetic; right now the aesthetic of WW2 is largely informed by high profile media from the late 90s and early 2000s with pulp influences and if you don't conform to that you're risking alienating your audience. That's why people melted down about the premiere trailer with the cyberpunky British gal - that's something nobody had ever seen before, and freaked out. Replace her with a supermodel Russian sniper lady in stereotypical brown uniform and nobody would have batted an eye because they all saw that character in Enemy At the Gates and so have acclimated to it, even though it's about as accurate as the aforementioned Brit.

I really do sympathize with people who say that there's something missing here because I agree with them. The game actually looks appropriately WW2 when you're flying around in a plane but once you go down to ground level there's something wrong with the look. I'm totally failing as a critic though because I can't tell you what it is, just that my brain is not quite accepting it.

Megaman's Jockstrap fucked around with this message at 19:09 on Jan 9, 2019

sunday at work
Apr 6, 2011

"Man is the animal that thinks something is wrong."

Megaman's Jockstrap posted:

I think it's important to separate the content from the aesthetic; right now the aesthetic of WW2 is largely informed by high profile media from the late 90s and early 2000s with pulp influences and if you don't conform to that you're risking alienating your audience. That's why people melted down about the premiere trailer with the cyberpunky British gal - that's something nobody had ever seen before, and freaked out. Replace her with a supermodel Russian sniper lady in stereotypical brown uniform and nobody would have batted an eye because they all saw that character in Enemy At the Gates and so have acclimated to it, even though it's about as accurate as the aforementioned Brit.

I really do sympathize with people who say that there's something missing here because I agree with them. The game actually looks appropriately WW2 when you're flying around in a plane but once you go down to ground level there's something wrong with the look. I'm totally failing as a critic though because I can't tell you what it is, just that my brain is not quite accepting it.

You answered your own question. The "look" you are missing doesn't exist because there weren't any high profile images of the areas these maps take place in during the last 25 years.

Hamada looks pretty WW2 if you grew up watching re runs of Rat Patrol with your dad, not so much if you think WW2 only looked like Saving Private Ryan and Band of Brothers.

Megaman's Jockstrap
Jul 16, 2000

What a horrible thread to have a post.

sunday at work posted:

You answered your own question. The "look" you are missing doesn't exist because there weren't any high profile images of the areas these maps take place in during the last 25 years.

Hamada looks pretty WW2 if you grew up watching re runs of Rat Patrol with your dad, not so much if you think WW2 only looked like Saving Private Ryan and Band of Brothers.

Well I don't think it's quite that. I have watched a bunch of pre-1990 WW2 media, in fact I just watched A Bridge Too Far (it's on Amazon Prime for free and has an incredible cast, even though the movie itself is just ok IMO) and it's not that...like I said I can't describe it. It's not the locations and it's not the uniforms...both of which, when examined in the abstract, are fine. And like I said when you're flying it works great. I wish I could figure it out...

sunday at work
Apr 6, 2011

"Man is the animal that thinks something is wrong."

Megaman's Jockstrap posted:

Well I don't think it's quite that. I have watched a bunch of pre-1990 WW2 media, in fact I just watched A Bridge Too Far (it's on Amazon Prime for free and has an incredible cast, even though the movie itself is just ok IMO) and it's not that...like I said I can't describe it. It's not the locations and it's not the uniforms...both of which, when examined in the abstract, are fine. And like I said when you're flying it works great. I wish I could figure it out...

The date of the media isn't the point so much as its asthetic. A Bridge too Far is about Operation Market Garden - Allies v. Axis in 1944 - which is the predominate look of WW2 in media over the last 25 years.

FastestGunAlive
Apr 7, 2010

Dancing palm tree.

sunday at work posted:

watching re runs of Rat Patrol

We need some of those tricked out desert rat vehicles now. Even tho you’ll just get sniped off the machine guns immediately

vivisectvnv
Aug 5, 2003

Megaman's Jockstrap posted:

Replace her with a supermodel Russian sniper lady in stereotypical brown uniform and nobody would have batted an eye because they all saw that character in Enemy At the Gates and so have acclimated to it, even though it's about as accurate as the aforementioned Brit.

to be fair there were well documented all female soviet sniper platoons though, just sayin

Falken
Jan 26, 2004

Do you feel like a hero yet?
Ran across an open river with no cover to speak of, just to deliver a pair of AT mines to an unaware Tiger tank. First mine kill of my BFV career felt pretty loving sweet.

Also gently caress the KE7 is nice.

FastestGunAlive
Apr 7, 2010

Dancing palm tree.
This clip would feel a lot more like WW2 if there were swastikas everywhere https://xboxclips.com/FastestGunAlive/a1982182-5fae-48d4-8934-45b24161f1ba

The Bananana
May 21, 2008

This is a metaphor, a Christian allegory. The fact that I have to explain to you that Jesus is the Warthog, and the Banana is drepanocytosis is just embarrassing for you.



FastestGunAlive posted:

This clip would feel a lot more like WW2 if there were swastikas everywhere https://xboxclips.com/FastestGunAlive/a1982182-5fae-48d4-8934-45b24161f1ba

Lol

Chemmy
Feb 4, 2001

FastestGunAlive posted:

This clip would feel a lot more like WW2 if there were swastikas everywhere https://xboxclips.com/FastestGunAlive/a1982182-5fae-48d4-8934-45b24161f1ba

Would of hit him twice if it weren’t for the lovely netcode.

e.pilot
Nov 20, 2011

sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit

Chemmy posted:

Would of hit him twice if it weren’t for the lovely netcode.

Battlefield V Consolethread: Would of hit him twice if it weren’t for the lovely netcode

Gunshow Poophole
Sep 14, 2008

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Clapping Larry
Breastler: sorry I wasn't on da mic I was chillin with bros and talkin bout real life nonsense and forgot the party was not open!

anyway i'll have a tankchaser video to post eventually had some good times tonight

lambskin
Dec 27, 2009

I THINK I AM THE PINNACLE OF HUMOR. WAIT HANG ON I HAVE TO GO POUR MILK INTO MY GAPING ASSHOLE!

Gunshow Poophole posted:

Breastler: sorry I wasn't on da mic I was chillin with bros and talkin bout real life nonsense and forgot the party was not open!

anyway i'll have a tankchaser video to post eventually had some good times tonight

That's fine! I started getting latency near the end of the round, that's why I hopped off.

CornHolio
May 20, 2001

Toilet Rascal
Here have fourteen minutes of me mowing people down with the Best Gun Ever defending the B bunker on Monte Grappa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLy4Hx90zYk

CornHolio fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Jan 13, 2019

Raskolnikov2089
Nov 3, 2006

Schizzy to the matic
1907 SF continues to melt faces.

It is possible to completely disable melee, so you don't end up meleeing when you're in a frantic gunfight.

Turning off music and setting audio option to 3d headphones makes it impossible for someone to sneak up on you.

Gunshow Poophole
Sep 14, 2008

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Clapping Larry
i'll be on tonite with Revo

what i try to do
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujh9lrTPhhQ

what ends up happening
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6u8nuoH8p8

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sunday at work
Apr 6, 2011

"Man is the animal that thinks something is wrong."
How is it possible I only ever die to the level one or level 20 machine guns? Does no one else use anything in between?

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