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Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
it’s always funny when a liberal opens their mouth in C-SPAM

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scary ghost dog
Aug 5, 2007
killing people is literally the only revolutionary tactic that has ever worked, unless u want to argue that nothing has ever worked

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
yeah, the only time things get better is when consequences happen to the supposedly untouchable

Elephant Ambush
Nov 13, 2012

...We sholde spenden more time together. What sayest thou?
Nap Ghost

Serf posted:

who gives a poo poo about hypocrisy?

LMFAO

Just LMAO it's nice to see how many of you are actually coming clean about your desires for murder being based purely on petty revenge and not actual justice.

Take all their money, redistribute it to those who need it most and revel in their misery as they're forced to live like everyone else. Murder will not actually do anything additionally meaningful to help the oppressed. At all. It will just sate your bloodthirst (no that's not a good thing gently caress off lol).

Elephant Ambush
Nov 13, 2012

...We sholde spenden more time together. What sayest thou?
Nap Ghost

scary ghost dog posted:

killing people is literally the only revolutionary tactic that has ever worked, unless u want to argue that nothing has ever worked

Yeah France and China are totally workers utopias now aren't they?

Serf
May 5, 2011


Elephant Ambush posted:

LMFAO

Just LMAO it's nice to see how many of you are actually coming clean about your desires for murder being based purely on petty revenge and not actual justice.

Take all their money, redistribute it to those who need it most and revel in their misery as they're forced to live like everyone else. Murder will not actually do anything additionally meaningful to help the oppressed. At all. It will just sate your bloodthirst (no that's not a good thing gently caress off lol).

if you don't eliminate the capitalist class, they will return to plague you again, either through lost cause poo poo internally or by fleeing to some other state and tapping their resources there to attack your new state

Pentecoastal Elites
Feb 27, 2007

“every life is precious” i mumble, mouth full of billionaire dick

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Elephant Ambush posted:

Yeah France and China are totally workers utopias now aren't they?

France is actually a great place to be a worker precisely because it's common knowledge that if you skull gently caress the working class they will kill you

Ask the Paris commune or OWS how successful left action is without the implicit or explicit promise of violence

Piss Witch
Oct 23, 2005

I see no problem with killing the rich as long as we eat them too.

Giga Gaia
May 2, 2006

360 kickflip to... Meteo?!
Im gonna meet this cancer right in the middle. we're gonna talk this over and get to the bottom of this whole thing.

Serf
May 5, 2011


the billionaires would kill all of us in a heartbeat if our labor wasn't necessary to sustain their lifestyle. and as robots replace us in more and more ways, they are most likely going to start actually killing us

Tashilicious
Jul 17, 2016

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Serf posted:

the billionaires would kill all of us in a heartbeat if our labor wasn't necessary to sustain their lifestyle. and as robots replace us in more and more ways, they are most likely going to start actually killing us

They already are. Just slowly, and globally.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

Elephant Ambush posted:

Yeah France and China are totally workers utopias now aren't they?

France literally tried the no killing thing and the old government just killed them anyway brutally.

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


The entire point of private space exploration is so the rich can gently caress off and become space dukes with a peasantry of bootlickers when the earth becomes unlivable, killing them is a moral act.

paul_soccer10
Mar 28, 2016

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

HotCanadianChick posted:

Creating an ‘other’ to rile up people with, and give a target for them to hate, is how fascists like the orange menace get into office. If you’re preaching hate against any generalized group of people, you are othering them. You call them billionaires, modern Israel calls them Palestinians, the nazis called them Jews, the kkk calls them a word I won’t repeat, but they are always ‘the other’.

Riling up a mob to lynch people will not get you a socialist utopia, it will just get you another Stalin.

lmao

Serf
May 5, 2011


Tashilicious posted:

They already are. Just slowly, and globally.

i'm picturing this process speeding up dramatically in the coming years. terminator but stupid because instead of skynet its elon musk

paul_soccer10
Mar 28, 2016

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
that post is so good

paul_soccer10
Mar 28, 2016

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Creating an ‘other’ to rile up people with, and give a target for them to hate, is how fascists like the orange menace get into office. If you’re preaching hate against any generalized group of people, you are othering them. You call them billionaires, modern Israel calls them Palestinians, the nazis called them Jews, the kkk calls them a word I won’t repeat, but they are always ‘the other’.

Riling up a mob to lynch people will not get you a socialist utopia, it will just get you another Stalin.

Grevling
Dec 18, 2016

First they came for the billionaires, but I said nothing because I wasn't a billionaire.

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

Elephant Ambush posted:

Take all their money, redistribute it to those who need it most and revel in their misery as they're forced to live like everyone else. Murder will not actually do anything additionally meaningful to help the oppressed. At all. It will just sate your bloodthirst (no that's not a good thing gently caress off lol).

see, i'm right with you up to redistribute it. the billionaire class is free to divest of their wealth and resources at any time and probably save themselves, even at this late stage in the game.

i'm also going to be extremely looking away when they get horribly murdered by the people who are far enough gone to do that. for many of us, especially in the western world, this poo poo isn't even terribly personal. i live a relatively comfortable life, even though i'm by all means a dirty prole, but i'll exert the exact same amount of effort protecting the elites from getting slaughtered as they do to protect the proles, lol

also, in a couple more years of complete climate change inaction, we'll probably be seeing shitloads more people who are too far gone, so please look forward to that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxBVc2cSFeI
:v:

Serf
May 5, 2011


Grevling posted:

First they came for the billionaires, but I said nothing because I wasn't a billionaire.

then they came for the millionaires, but i said nothing because i wasn't a millionaire

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord

Agean90 posted:

The entire point of private space exploration is so the rich can gently caress off and become space dukes with a peasantry of bootlickers when the earth becomes unlivable, killing them is a moral act.

The tell is what the billionaires are spending their money on. It used to be that they would found a college, library, or art museum. The current bunch is buying survival bunkers, private islands, and space ships.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Elephant Ambush posted:

Yeah France and China are totally workers utopias now aren't they?
Compared to where they were in 1944? Yes.

Jedi Knight Luigi
Jul 13, 2009

Truga posted:

see, i'm right with you up to redistribute it. the billionaire class is free to divest of their wealth and resources at any time and probably save themselves, even at this late stage in the game.

i'm also going to be extremely looking away when they get horribly murdered by the people who are far enough gone to do that. for many of us, especially in the western world, this poo poo isn't even terribly personal. i live a relatively comfortable life, even though i'm by all means a dirty prole, but i'll exert the exact same amount of effort protecting the elites from getting slaughtered as they do to protect the proles, lol

also, in a couple more years of complete climate change inaction, we'll probably be seeing shitloads more people who are too far gone, so please look forward to that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxBVc2cSFeI
:v:

Apparently some of the people on this very site think they’re just too far gone enough to do it! :twisted:

My question is, what are they waiting for?

Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002

Serf posted:

who gives a poo poo about hypocrisy?

People with morals and empathy for other people.

i.e. not sociopaths like trump voters and guillotine fetishists.

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


HotCanadianChick posted:

People with morals and empathy for other people.

i.e. not sociopaths like trump voters and guillotine fetishists.

I mean guillotining billionaires is a consistent position I'm cspam so I'm not sure who's being hypocritical here

Serf
May 5, 2011


HotCanadianChick posted:

People with morals and empathy for other people.

i.e. not sociopaths like trump voters and guillotine fetishists.

keep guzzling that decorum

Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002

scary ghost dog posted:

killing people is literally the only revolutionary tactic that has ever worked, unless u want to argue that nothing has ever worked

Counterpoint: killing people in revolutions and mass incarceration in gulags has gotten us North Korea, the USSR, China, etc.

Karl Marx is turning in his grave so fast he’s getting friction burns, that so many self proclaimed ‘leftists’ are so eager to become the oppressors of their fellow man. If you’re just going to replace the capitalist oligarchy with some other form of grinding, oppressive dystopia, but with yourself at the top, you don’t deserve to call yourself a socialist/ communist/anarchist.

Tashilicious
Jul 17, 2016

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

HotCanadianChick posted:

People with morals and empathy for other people.

i.e. not sociopaths like trump voters and guillotine fetishists.

So we should be nice to people whos entire purpose and policy is to grind everyone under their boot, ruin the world to extract the highest number from to win at money, and cause literal worldwide genocide because it means they dont have to worry about not winning at money.

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


Serf posted:

keep guzzling that decorum

You know who else insisted people mindlessly follow his "moral" ideas? THATS RIGHT :godwin:

Flowers For Algeria
Dec 3, 2005

I humbly offer my services as forum inquisitor. There is absolutely no way I would abuse this power in any way.


france isn’t a workers paradise precisely because far too few of the nobility and of the bourgeoisie got to meet the ‘tine

Serf
May 5, 2011


HotCanadianChick posted:

Counterpoint: killing people in revolutions and mass incarceration in gulags has gotten us North Korea, the USSR, China, etc.

Karl Marx is turning in his grave so fast he’s getting friction burns, that so many self proclaimed ‘leftists’ are so eager to become the oppressors of their fellow man. If you’re just going to replace the capitalist oligarchy with some other form of grinding, oppressive dystopia, but with yourself at the top, you don’t deserve to call yourself a socialist/ communist/anarchist.

well well well another person who doesn't know poo poo about what they're talking about

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

HotCanadianChick posted:

Karl Marx is turning in his grave so fast he’s getting friction burns, that so many self proclaimed ‘leftists’ are so eager to become the oppressors of their fellow man.
We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror. But the royal terrorists, the terrorists by the grace of God and the law, are in practice brutal, disdainful, and mean, in theory cowardly, secretive, and deceitful, and in both respects disreputable.

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


HotCanadianChick posted:

Counterpoint: killing people in revolutions and mass incarceration in gulags has gotten us North Korea, the USSR, China, etc.

Karl Marx is turning in his grave so fast he’s getting friction burns, that so many self proclaimed ‘leftists’ are so eager to become the oppressors of their fellow man. If you’re just going to replace the capitalist oligarchy with some other form of grinding, oppressive dystopia, but with yourself at the top, you don’t deserve to call yourself a socialist/ communist/anarchist.

All 3 of those countries were better than the states they relplaced op

Flowers For Algeria
Dec 3, 2005

I humbly offer my services as forum inquisitor. There is absolutely no way I would abuse this power in any way.


HotCanadianChick posted:

Counterpoint: killing people in revolutions and mass incarceration in gulags has gotten us North Korea, the USSR, China, etc.

Karl Marx is turning in his grave so fast he’s getting friction burns, that so many self proclaimed ‘leftists’ are so eager to become the oppressors of their fellow man. If you’re just going to replace the capitalist oligarchy with some other form of grinding, oppressive dystopia, but with yourself at the top, you don’t deserve to call yourself a socialist/ communist/anarchist.

you prolly should read marx’s own description of how the revolution ought to go

hint: it requires weapons

FormerPoster
Aug 5, 2004

Hair Elf
Truth: no system of government is ever going to really work because people are dumb as gently caress

Therefore: let's make really cool machines to kill each other so that guillotine-makers and gunsmiths have job security

This is the only true answer so I hope it helps some of you logic this puzzle out

Grevling
Dec 18, 2016

Halloween Jack posted:

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror. But the royal terrorists, the terrorists by the grace of God and the law, are in practice brutal, disdainful, and mean, in theory cowardly, secretive, and deceitful, and in both respects disreputable.

That's a yikes from me fam, you should probably try reading Marx.

Philthy
Jan 28, 2003

Pillbug
I'm not sure I can get on this guillotine bandwagon.

How about just fart rooms for the rich.

A glass room they are confined to for 12 hours every day with a tube people can fart into as they walk past.

FormerPoster
Aug 5, 2004

Hair Elf

Grevling posted:

That's a yikes from me fam, you should probably try reading Marx.

Lincoln: Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

Grevling: Weird Flex But Okay

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Grevling
Dec 18, 2016

Nae! posted:

Truth: no system of government is ever going to really work because people are dumb as gently caress

Therefore: let's make really cool machines to kill each other so that guillotine-makers and gunsmiths have job security

This is the only true answer so I hope it helps some of you logic this puzzle out

The current one works really well. Another couple of decades and we'll finally go extinct, which I assume is intended.

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